Bernie yes, Biden no

[Luckyone]

Uh . . . his insistence that violent felons like Dylan Roof should be able to vote from prison? That's wrong to me.

You can be picky all you want and be right here and there but the reality is that Bernie has a vision and he is following it all the time, unlike Trump that waffles depending on the temperature.

 

[Cardinal]

Made millions. Learned what it takes to make business successful. and used it on the economy.

The $400 million leg-up that he got from his dad probably didn't hurt.

 

[ataraxia]

The $400 million leg-up that he got from his dad probably didn't hurt.

Actually it was just a small amount of around $600 million.

If he had just invested that in an index fund at the time, he would probably have ended up with the same amount by now anyway (and even that's questionable, because he may in actuality be worth a lot less than he says he is).

 

[Luckyone]

Sorry to break your bubble, but to steal a line from a Democrat "It's the economy, stupid".

Oh, I see now. Thanks for making me see.

One thing that is still a doubt, did Reagan win on making the economy better? Did Lincoln get elected making the economy better or what it because of the Secession crisis? Did FDR get elected making the economy better or was it the Japanese invasion? Was Kennedy election to make the economy better?

From where I see it, most presidents were elected because there was a crisis to overcome and few of those were economic ones. There is a crisis now and it is not economic, it is that we have a crazy man running the country. As such, "its the crisis, stupid"

 

[Mycroft]

Ummmmm...maybe you missed it, but there was a democratic primary in 2016. The people who voted in them chose against Sanders. No "elites" involved. Maybe you should try facts instead of silly namecalling...

Perhaps you've forgotten that DNC thumb on the scale in 2016.

You don't seriously think they'll leave something like a presidential nomination up to the rank and file, do you?

 

[Cardinal]

Actually it was just a small amount of around $600 million.

If he had just invested that in an index fund at the time, he would probably have ended up with the same amount by now anyway (and even that's questionable, because he may in actuality be worth a lot less than he says he is).

So maybe he inherited $400 million, maybe he inherited $600 million. Point is, he's a self made man.

 

[Idiometer]

A decades long socialist experiment in the US? When might that have been? and what is economic dispairity?

Good grief! He just told you: FDR. Do you not know who that is? Have you never heard of the New Deal?

As for economic disparity (he spelled it wrong), that's the money gap between the 1% and the rest of us.

 

[Cardinal]

Perhaps you've forgotten that DNC thumb on the scale in 2016.

You don't seriously think they'll leave something like a presidential nomination up to the rank and file, do you?

Although the existence of superdelegates is admittedly a super bad look, they weren't the cause of Clinton's primary win.

 

[Carleen]

The US is at a historic point, where the concrete of plutocracy will either harden or get attacked. The two main previous inflection points in the country were FDR and Reagan.

Bernie is a third, to right the course of the nation for the public to regain control of our country from the plutocrats. He's a once in many elections chance for that.

Biden is not. Biden is a plutocrat-friendly, centrist Democrat of the sort that continues the Reagan inflection, that will simply oversee continuing the road to more inequality, not returning the government to the people.

While of course Biden would be better than any Republican, it would be terrible for the country instead of changing course with a progressive, preferably Bernie. Not to mention, Bernie will win if nominated much more likely than Biden, who will turn off much of the country similarly to Hillary.

Biden no, Bernie no. Time to move on from old white men.

 

[Cardinal]

Sorry to break your bubble, but to steal a line from a Democrat "It's the economy, stupid".

We know that. Why do you think Trump's approval consistently manages to hover at around 42%?

 

[Cardinal]

Biden no, Bernie no. Time to move on from old white men.

If you're selecting your candidates based on your negative feelings about white men, then you're no better than the racist Republican who selects his candidates based on his negative feelings about minorities or women.

 

[Idiometer]

Aha, does this mean you LOVE Trump in spite of all the hate, dissension, lawlessness, corruption and incompetence he has brought?

Fortunately, such a person is normally in the minority and can be ignored, as those kind of people were ignored until the Democrats Fu**ed up by nominating someone just as hateful as Trump was and is. You can't beat hate with more hate but I guarantee you that if the Democrats use their head this time and nominate someone that is not hateful, they will crush Trump

Are any of the current candidates hateful? If so, I hadn't noticed. A few may be a little TOO nice, though.

 

[Luckyone]

Made millions. Learned what it takes to make business successful. and used it on the economy.

He made millions with the help of the Russians and their money when no banks in the west would loan him any, due to his proven incompetence. Remember that he had 6 bankruptcies and he owed over $4 billion dollars when his Atlantic City casino went Bankrupt. Do you support him going to the Russians to solve his problems?

and by the way, running a country is not the same as running a business. Running a country requires the ability to fulfill the populations needs that include health coverage, unity, reason to live other than economic, pride, happiness, security, freedom, support of the laws, and not only being a successful economic business. He knows absolutely nothing else but how to make money and even then only making money by selling himself to get the money he needs.

There is an old adage about "it takes money to make money" and Trump started his economic life with his father giving him millions of dollars and what did he do? he went bankrupt 6 times and owed 100 times more than what he started with. Evidently, he did not know how to make money without help from others.

In his case, with the help of the Russian mafia buying his properties, helping his name recognition, buying properties at 3 times more than he paid for them, in order to gain a puppet that would work for them. You call that being successful?

Bernie made his money by writing a book that became a best seller and has never gone bankrupt on anything.

Try again.

 

[Redress]

Perhaps you've forgotten that DNC thumb on the scale in 2016.

You don't seriously think they'll leave something like a presidential nomination up to the rank and file, do you?

That imaginary thumb, kinda like QANON and Bush plotting 9/11?

 

[Carleen]

If you're selecting your candidates based on your negative feelings about white men, then you're no better than the racist Republican who selects his candidates based on his negative feelings about minorities or women.

Time for new blood in politics. I like Joe and Bernie but being an old lady which I am I want new ideas and new challenges for the future for my grandchildren. Time to buck the status quo.

 

[Idiometer]

If that were true then we would have far more "centrist" demorat POTUS candidates. I am anxiously awaiting hearing from a "centrist" alternative to Trump running as a demorat - yes, I would vote for such a candidate and no, I did not vote for Trump.

Current candidates who qualify as centrist: Biden, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, O'Roarke (but maybe not as much), and Harris. I don't yet know enough about some of the others.

 

[Luckyone]

Are any of the current candidates hateful? If so, I hadn't noticed. A few may be a little TOO nice, though.

No, none are hateful though a couple do rub people the wrong way on occasions. Too nice is also not good. What is needed is someone like Bernie that has an agenda, a one track mind, has very tough skin, and is honest and believable to the core. Others might be as well but I don't know them well enough yet to make that determination.

 

[Fishking]

Whoever the Democrats nominate better be thick-skinned and squeaky-clean. If the right-wing media can't dig up any dirt or anything they can spin into dirt, they'll make something up.
In fact, that's liable to start tomorrow.

So far none of the candidates falls into the category you stipulated.

 

[Fishking]

You know, if policy and consistency of position were actually important to people, Elizabeth Warren would come out on top, no contest.

But oh noes, she took a DNA test and took Trump's troll bait. Now she can't be President.

I often doubt that this country is deserving of a principled and qualified leader.

What has she accomplished aside from lying about her heritage and being shrill?

 

[Idiometer]

I don't know that picking Klobuchar would be the best choice, though I like her more than most of the other Ds. I think he'll need someone a little more progressive than her to pull in the younger vote. Otherwise they might just stay home.

I realize that. I want someone boring, but most people don't vote that way. A Biden/Harris ticket would poll much better, I suspect.

What I really want is a few slow news days in a row ... remember those?

 

[Idiometer]

I know full well both versions of socialism. I want none of Bernie's, and even less of the other.

You still haven't answered the other user's repeated question: what, specifically, do you reject out of Bernie's stated platform?

 

[Fishking]

Pretty meaningless.
When I was in school I was taught that the foundation of socialism is government control of the means of production. Are you saying Sanders advocates that.

For sure he does.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Current candidates who qualify as centrist: Biden, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, O'Roarke (but maybe not as much), and Harris. I don't yet know enough about some of the others.

Of those you mentioned only Klobuchar has come out (sort of) against M4A (saying, basically, not yet) - instead favoring a (Medicaid buy-in) public option. That seems like a reasonable idea to me except that it seems to require state funding/approval.

 

[Idiometer]

Really?

What had Trump done before he became President?

Cheated his contractors, refused to repay loans, bankrupted a casino (how can anyone go broke with a ****ing casino?!), and starred as an asshole boss on a TV show where he got to scowl and yell "You're fired!" every week ...oh wait, he played himself, right? Make that "major asshole boss" then.

:lamo

 

[Fruityfact]

So far none of the candidates falls into the category you stipulated.

Democrats will pick who they will pick. Republicans will pick a failure of a ***** grabber. I think the choice is pretty simple.