Bernie yes, Biden no

[Craig234]

The US is at a historic point, where the concrete of plutocracy will either harden or get attacked. The two main previous inflection points in the country were FDR and Reagan.

Bernie is a third, to right the course of the nation for the public to regain control of our country from the plutocrats. He's a once in many elections chance for that.

Biden is not. Biden is a plutocrat-friendly, centrist Democrat of the sort that continues the Reagan inflection, that will simply oversee continuing the road to more inequality, not returning the government to the people.

While of course Biden would be better than any Republican, it would be terrible for the country instead of changing course with a progressive, preferably Bernie. Not to mention, Bernie will win if nominated much more likely than Biden, who will turn off much of the country similarly to Hillary.

 

[ataraxia]

The US is at a historic point, where the concrete of plutocracy will either harden or get attacked. The two main previous inflection points in the country were FDR and Reagan.

Bernie is a third, to right the course of the nation for the public to regain control of our country from the plutocrats. He's a once in many elections chance for that.

Biden is not. Biden is a plutocrat-friendly, centrist Democrat of the sort that continues the Reagan inflection, that will simply oversee continuing the road to more inequality, not returning the government to the people.

While of course Biden would be better than any Republican, it would be terrible for the country instead of changing course with a progressive, preferably Bernie. Not to mention, Bernie will win if nominated much more likely than Biden, who will turn off much of the country similarly to Hillary.

Yes, agreed. I think a lot of Trump voters would have voted for Bernie in the last election if he had the nomination. People just wanted change. They still do.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

I don't agree. I see Bernie as the cold war USSR where the government runs everything. Whether you want to call him a socialist or communist (take your pick) he is every thing we spent the last 100 years fighting. I think the republicans would work with Biden unlike the democrats who will not work with anyone. If the democrats don't bring and end to this witch hunt and misuse of our justice system for political gain we may have civil war on our hands. I personally think it is time to take back our government. Our forefathers were clearly right about every now and then you have to upset the applecart to get rid of all the rotten apples.

 

[Airyaman]

Polls say differently now, but I sincerely believe that if Bernie wins the nom, we'll have 4 more years of Trump.

But you Dems do what you have to do, even if it's nominating someone who only claims to be a Democrat every four years so he can run for president.

 

[Grand Mal]

The US is at a historic point, where the concrete of plutocracy will either harden or get attacked. The two main previous inflection points in the country were FDR and Reagan.

Bernie is a third, to right the course of the nation for the public to regain control of our country from the plutocrats. He's a once in many elections chance for that.

Biden is not. Biden is a plutocrat-friendly, centrist Democrat of the sort that continues the Reagan inflection, that will simply oversee continuing the road to more inequality, not returning the government to the people.

While of course Biden would be better than any Republican, it would be terrible for the country instead of changing course with a progressive, preferably Bernie. Not to mention, Bernie will win if nominated much more likely than Biden, who will turn off much of the country similarly to Hillary.

Whoever the Democrats nominate better be thick-skinned and squeaky-clean. If the right-wing media can't dig up any dirt or anything they can spin into dirt, they'll make something up.
In fact, that's liable to start tomorrow.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Polls say differently now, but I sincerely believe that if Bernie wins the nom, we'll have 4 more years of Trump.

But you Dems do what you have to do, even if it's nominating someone who only claims to be a Democrat every four years so he can run for president.

IMHO, the demorat base has moved so far left that whoever can win the DNC primary will have little chance of winning the general POTUS election.

 

[smallvoice]

Whoever the Democrats nominate better be thick-skinned and squeaky-clean. If the right-wing media can't dig up any dirt or anything they can spin into dirt, they'll make something up.
In fact, that's liable to start tomorrow.

No need to look for anything, nor spin anything. Bernie is the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Cardinal]

You know, if policy and consistency of position were actually important to people, Elizabeth Warren would come out on top, no contest.

But oh noes, she took a DNA test and took Trump's troll bait. Now she can't be President.

I often doubt that this country is deserving of a principled and qualified leader.

 

[ataraxia]

I don't agree. I see Bernie as the cold war USSR where the government runs everything. Whether you want to call him a socialist or communist (take your pick) he is every thing we spent the last 100 years fighting. I think the republicans would work with Biden unlike the democrats who will not work with anyone. If the democrats don't bring and end to this witch hunt and misuse of our justice system for political gain we may have civil war on our hands. I personally think it is time to take back our government. Our forefathers were clearly right about every now and then you have to upset the applecart to get rid of all the rotten apples.

Bernie has explained extensively how his "socialism" (which is really nothing more than just having a government which guarantees the basic human rights of its citizens, and nothing more), is different than the USSR.

 

[Acadia]

I don't agree. I see Bernie as the cold war USSR where the government runs everything. Whether you want to call him a socialist or communist (take your pick) he is every thing we spent the last 100 years fighting. I think the republicans would work with Biden unlike the democrats who will not work with anyone. If the democrats don't bring and end to this witch hunt and misuse of our justice system for political gain we may have civil war on our hands. I personally think it is time to take back our government. Our forefathers were clearly right about every now and then you have to upset the applecart to get rid of all the rotten apples.

I'll use my primary election vote put Biden out in front of Bernie.

 

[Airyaman]

Bernie has explained extensively how his "socialism" (which is really nothing more than just having a government which guarantees the basic human rights of its citizens, and nothing more), is different than the USSR.

The problem with this is that most voters will hear "socialism" and it will end there. That is one of many reasons (imo) Bernie would not win a general election.

 

[Grand Mal]

No need to look for anything, nor spin anything. Bernie is the gift that keeps on giving.

Examples?

 

[ataraxia]

The problem with this is that most voters will hear "socialism" and it will end there. That is one of many reasons (imo) Bernie would not win a general election.

Yeah I know. People are very simple that way. No room for any nuance or sophistication. They hear the word "socialism", and like an stupid angry bull at the rodeo charging at a red cape, they just go at it. :roll:

 

[Saladin4]

Whoever the Democrats nominate better be thick-skinned and squeaky-clean. If the right-wing media can't dig up any dirt or anything they can spin into dirt, they'll make something up.
In fact, that's liable to start tomorrow.

Tomorrow?...There are dozens of pudgy little fat men sitting in an office right now digging up anything they can to smear and degrade any Democratic front runner...I fully expect the Alt Right to go after Biden's deceased son...It is what they do

 

[bearpoker]

Tomorrow?...There are dozens of pudgy little fat men sitting in an office right now digging up anything they can to smear and degrade any Democratic front runner...I fully expect the Alt Right to go after Biden's deceased son...It is what they do

The right will make up a bunch of ridiculous **** and the stooges will believe it. Then it will get posted here in a host of threads for us to carry on about.

 

[sangha]

I am ABT...Anyone But Trump

 

[smallvoice]

Examples?

Socialism.

 

[Mycroft]

The US is at a historic point, where the concrete of plutocracy will either harden or get attacked. The two main previous inflection points in the country were FDR and Reagan.

Bernie is a third, to right the course of the nation for the public to regain control of our country from the plutocrats. He's a once in many elections chance for that.

Biden is not. Biden is a plutocrat-friendly, centrist Democrat of the sort that continues the Reagan inflection, that will simply oversee continuing the road to more inequality, not returning the government to the people.

While of course Biden would be better than any Republican, it would be terrible for the country instead of changing course with a progressive, preferably Bernie. Not to mention, Bernie will win if nominated much more likely than Biden, who will turn off much of the country similarly to Hillary.

Who do you think the DNC Elites will decide to nominate...like they did in 2016? Bernie or Biden?

Hint: Think about who gets the most favorable news, opinion and talking potato head nonsense from the multimedia echo chamber. That'll give you a clue.

 

[Surrealistik]

The US is at a historic point, where the concrete of plutocracy will either harden or get attacked. The two main previous inflection points in the country were FDR and Reagan.

Bernie is a third, to right the course of the nation for the public to regain control of our country from the plutocrats. He's a once in many elections chance for that.

Biden is not. Biden is a plutocrat-friendly, centrist Democrat of the sort that continues the Reagan inflection, that will simply oversee continuing the road to more inequality, not returning the government to the people.

While of course Biden would be better than any Republican, it would be terrible for the country instead of changing course with a progressive, preferably Bernie. Not to mention, Bernie will win if nominated much more likely than Biden, who will turn off much of the country similarly to Hillary.

Couldn't agree more, and the polling (thus far) backs that up.

Biden would be more of the same lukewarm third way governance seen under Obama that brought us the historic Dem losses in 2016 and prior, except without the latter's intelligence, oratory and charisma.

As Bernie becomes increasingly unstoppable, that plutocracy is in turn looking to fight back: ‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum - The New York Times

They'll swear up and down that this diehard, at-any-cost, opposition is couched solely in 'getting the most viable candidate', talking up the dread specter of socialism more than even the most devout McCarthyite or Fox News viewer, and while I have no doubt some legitimately buy into that koolaide, the truth is that this is really about retaining control of the party, and keeping it in the hands of the donor class and establishment Democrats; trying to retain the spoils of intra-party warfare with the Third Way/New Democrats who worked so hard to seize that control from the FDR traditionalists in the 80s and 90s, and naturally don't wish it taken back from them.

 

[KevinKohler]

Yes, agreed. I think a lot of Trump voters would have voted for Bernie in the last election if he had the nomination. People just wanted change. They still do.

That's me to a T.

 

[KevinKohler]

Polls say differently now, but I sincerely believe that if Bernie wins the nom, we'll have 4 more years of Trump.

But you Dems do what you have to do, even if it's nominating someone who only claims to be a Democrat every four years so he can run for president.

If Bernie had won (been awarded?) the nom last time around, Trump would have lost.

 

[Hypothetical]

nominate Bernie and I will vote for him in the general election.

 

[Grand Mal]

Socialism.

Pretty meaningless.
When I was in school I was taught that the foundation of socialism is government control of the means of production. Are you saying Sanders advocates that.

 

[smallvoice]

Pretty meaningless.
When I was in school I was taught that the foundation of socialism is government control of the means of production. Are you saying Sanders advocates that.

You must have cut classes for the rest of that course. There a lot more to it than one cute little snippet. Nowhere in history has a socialist experiment been successful. The basic reason is that socialism stifles initiative. Pretty soon the hard workers find out that their hard work doesn't return any different than the slacker, so they stop working hard. Failure of the system is not far behind.

 

[Grand Mal]

You must have cut classes for the rest of that course. There a lot more to it than one cute little snippet. Nowhere in history has a socialist experiment been successful. The basic reason is that socialism stifles initiative. Pretty soon the hard workers find out that their hard work doesn't return any different than the slacker, so they stop working hard. Failure of the system is not far behind.

Right. Fine. What I said, smallvoice, was that "the foundation of socialism is government control of the means of production". Do you understand that? Nothing about socialism being a success. Of course I know the record of socialism worldwide so don't waste your words preaching the obvious to me.
I asked you what you mean by 'socialism'- do you say Bernie Sanders advocates government control? Do you have an example of the type of socialist Sanders is?
Or is all you've got the simple-minded series,- "Socialism bad, Bernie socialist, Bernie bad."?