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Bernie yes, Biden no

Mycroft said:
Who do you think the DNC Elites will decide to nominate...like they did in 2016? Bernie or Biden?

Hint: Think about who gets the most favorable news, opinion and talking potato head nonsense from the multimedia echo chamber. That'll give you a clue.
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Ummmmm...maybe you missed it, but there was a democratic primary in 2016. The people who voted in them chose against Sanders. No "elites" involved. Maybe you should try facts instead of silly namecalling...
 
Verax said:
Socialism means different things to different people. To most of the older guard, it means Lenin holding your neck down with a boot and confiscating your business. To the new guard, it means a living wage, honest capitalism and healthcare.

The people in the latter group will elect Bernie POTUS.
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Sorry i can't afford all fo bernie's free stuff.
 
Redress said:
I disagree rather strongly with this. Democrats who get media coverage are far to the left, just as, largely, republicans who get media coverage are the ones who get coverage. The media's goal is to make money by attracting viewers and page views. What does that is controversy and conflict. So moderate democrats and republicans, who are rather cordial and friendly with each other despite their disagreements, don't really get notice. Biden, who is distinctly a moderate, is doing pretty well in polls. There are still a ****load of democrats who know medicare for all, free college for all, and a 15 $ minimum wage are simply not going to happen any time soon, and want some one who can still move us in the right direction without further dividing the country.
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I sincerely hope that you are correct - otherwise we are in for another 4 years of Trump, increasing national debt and coming ever closer to Austerity Day.
 
Idiometer said:
Good grief.

Someone please save us from the blatant ignorance on display in this thread.

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There's no intelligent life down here ...
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You may leave anytime you want. NO ONE is keeping you here against your will.
 
Airyaman said:
Yes, admittedly, it is my opinion.

But it is shared by many people of similar minds to mine own. That is, those who are independent rather than Democrat or Republican. I simply do not see general appeal in Bernie Sanders, and I know with certainty that Trump will be able to play on Bernie's faults than make him less than appealing to the general populace.

If I am wrong, so be it. But very little will change my mind on this.

I can see my self voting for the first time for a Democrat to be rid of Trump. Bernie is among those I could simply not vote for. His ineffectiveness in Congress to ever sponsor any meaningful legislation tells me he would be a failure as a leader.
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Well, Bernie's success as a President is a different debate topic that I will not have until such a time that he becomes the nominee. My post was more about the electability of Bernie versus Trump.

I believe the only thing that Trump could grill Bernie on is his socialistic views but the reality is that the only people that are openly against socialism are the Republicans and they only make up 29% of all registered voters, meaning that for Trump to win that argument, he would need to convince others than are not Republicans that it is a bad thing and I don't believe Trump can convince anyone else other than his brainwashed supporters to believe that. Other than that, Trump won't find a single other thing to criticize in Bernie.
 
Luckyone said:
Aha, does this mean you LOVE Trump in spite of all the hate, dissension, lawlessness, corruption and incompetence he has brought?

Fortunately, such a person is normally in the minority and can be ignored, as those kind of people were ignored until the Democrats Fu**ed up by nominating someone just as hateful as Trump was and is. You can't beat hate with more hate but I guarantee you that if the Democrats use their head this time and nominate someone that is not hateful, they will crush Trump
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You are absolutely correct, but so far it doesn't seem that they are headed back to the middle.
 
Exquisitor said:
Good idea.



The word socialism is what got him last time, besides having no way to deliver his promises which looks true this time too, so you might be right, Trump has the new moon advantage and will not break the model to win in any case.

No one else to vote for with a score; Tulsi ties Trump at five, the girls (amy and warren) around one, the boys are at seven.

The link is on my sig line.

Biden is a good choice.

Sanders lost me giving felons the right to vote.

It's the Tribulation (2020-2026) convergence, what does he think it is, Christmastime?

Besides that he came on the stage with messed up hair affecting my choice and impression.

Klobuchar is who I like, then Warren, but they have lower scores really so I might take your lead and vote for Biden too.

McAuliffe is the last one out at nine so Biden is the only choice.
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Bernie lost me with that bit, too.

When the Democrats won the House last year, there was a lot of noise from a lot of people about giving the Speaker's gavel to someone younger, with newer ideas, etc. etc. and so on. My thinking at the time was that it would be incredibly stupid of the Dems to give that gavel to anyone but Pelosi, not because I'm a fan but because things are in such a mess thanks to Trump, and we need a Speaker who knows how the systems work and how to rein in a crazy man. He's so intimidated by her that he can't even come up with one of his nasty little nicknames. She should stay Speaker until Trump is gone.

I have the same notion about this upcoming election. I like all of the new faces, I like that there are several women in the running, but as with the Speakership, I think we need someone seasoned within the Executive Branch, at least for one term. Biden running with one of the younger candidates, or with a smart woman like [pick one]. Personally, I could vote for Biden/Klobuchar.
 
ludin said:
Sorry i can't afford all fo bernie's free stuff.
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You seem eager to ignore that Trump is pumping out $1T annually in federal "free stuff" - see the federal deficit and growing national debt. We the sheeple are now paying about $400B annually (and rising) in interest for "free stuff" given away over the past few decades.
 
Luckyone said:
Well, Bernie's success as a President is a different debate topic that I will not have until such a time that he becomes the nominee. My post was more about the electability of Bernie versus Trump.

I believe the only thing that Trump could grill Bernie on is his socialistic views but the reality is that the only people that are openly against socialism are the Republicans and they only make up 29% of all registered voters, meaning that for Trump to win that argument, he would need to convince others than are not Republicans that it is a bad thing and I don't believe Trump can convince anyone else other than his brainwashed supporters to believe that. Other than that, Trump won't find a single other thing to criticize in Bernie.
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Do you really believe the bolded?
 
Luckyone said:
To me, all the additional people on the far left joining Bernie, means there are more votes in favor of it than before.

You have to understand that the word socialism has become a dirty word but the reality is that the kind of socialism that Bernie is supporting is not the bad kind but the kind found in Norway, Sweden, Finland, Australia and New Zealand. It is falsely named socialism but in reality is Compassionate Capitalism and that is good, not bad.

What the Democrats will be doing as soon as a nominee is named and it is someone on the far left is explaining the difference and given that the nations I named are liked and have a high happiness quotients, more and more people will warm to it. People by nature want love more than hate. Economics to most people are secondary to having a happy and loving life.
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Sorry to break your bubble, but to steal a line from a Democrat "It's the economy, stupid".
 
Redress said:
I am not going to predict a Biden win, but he is the favorite right now. 538 has Sanders around a 20 % chance to get the nomination. Bernie Sanders Can Win, But He Isn’t Polling Like A Favorite | FiveThirtyEight
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The early frontrunners in recent POTUS primary elections have not faired well (they are the focal point for most "friendly fire"). Perhaps, if Biden remains the only "centrist" option among demorats then he can emerge alone on top, but if it comes down to a brokered DNC convention I believe that he would be toast.
 
Idiometer said:
Bernie lost me with that bit, too.

When the Democrats won the House last year, there was a lot of noise from a lot of people about giving the Speaker's gavel to someone younger, with newer ideas, etc. etc. and so on. My thinking at the time was that it would be incredibly stupid of the Dems to give that gavel to anyone but Pelosi, not because I'm a fan but because things are in such a mess thanks to Trump, and we need a Speaker who knows how the systems work and how to rein in a crazy man. He's so intimidated by her that he can't even come up with one of his nasty little nicknames. She should stay Speaker until Trump is gone.

I have the same notion about this upcoming election. I like all of the new faces, I like that there are several women in the running, but as with the Speakership, I think we need someone seasoned within the Executive Branch, at least for one term. Biden running with one of the younger candidates, or with a smart woman like [pick one]. Personally, I could vote for Biden/Klobuchar.
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I don't know that picking Klobuchar would be the best choice, though I like her more than most of the other Ds. I think he'll need someone a little more progressive than her to pull in the younger vote. Otherwise they might just stay home.
 
Idiometer said:
You seem to lack of knowledge about the type of democratic socialism Bernie proposes. You should read his website. Or just google democratic socialism. You have it confused with the formal definition of socialism.
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I know full well both versions of socialism. I want none of Bernie's, and even less of the other.
 
Luckyone said:
Have you already forgotten than in 2016 polls, Bernie was beating Trump by 13% and Hillary was only beating Trump by 5%?



Since then, Bernie has done no wrong and Trump has turned the nation into a sty. As such, what makes you think that if Bernie is the candidate that Trump would win? What do you have to support your idea? your opinion?
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Uh . . . his insistence that violent felons like Dylan Roof should be able to vote from prison? That's wrong to me.
 
I believe Biden will run as a centrist Democrat to capture the independent bloc, who are crucial to this election.

His VP selection will probably be someone that appeals to the more progressive democrats.
 
Luckyone said:
Since you seem to know, what else is there to criticize other than his views? Tell me
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He has no real leadership qualities, no real experience in the real world either. Both of those would be easy choices. Sure, Trump sucks at business but he's been able to convince alot of people that he is a leader.

In all seriousness, what has Bernie ever been a real leader of? He's been a team member all his life.
 
Luckyone said:
Since you seem to know, what else is there to criticize other than his views? Tell me
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Well, other than he hasn't done anything as a Senator, that might be your first clue.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The early frontrunners in recent POTUS primary elections have not faired well (they are the focal point for most "friendly fire"). Perhaps, if Biden remains the only "centrist" option among demorats then he can emerge alone on top, but if it comes down to a brokered DNC convention I believe that he would be toast.
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They do not fair well, but they fair better than those who are not polling well. A 30ish percent chance is alot better than a 20ish percent chance. Both are going to miss more than they hit, but I will take a .300 hitter over a .200 any day.
 
Airyaman said:
He has no real leadership qualities, no real experience in the real world either. Both of those would be easy choices. Sure, Trump sucks at business but he's been able to convince alot of people that he is a leader.

In all seriousness, what has Bernie ever been a real leader of? He's been a team member all his life.
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That is not the point.

Trump had done nothing before becoming President but he became President.

Trump has convinced a lot of people that he is NOT a leader since he became President. His incompetence has shown in every way but even more so in the tremendous amount of turn over in his administration. A leader leads the people he has. He does not change people and experiment to see if they are going to work out. A leader helps those he has to be more than they are. Trump debases his own people. Have you ever seen a leader debase his own people and be successful?.
 
Redress said:
I dunno. I could vote for Warren, probably, but she is still too much a Sanders type for me to be happy about her candidacy. And that has nothing to do with her DNA.
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Too economic left wing?
 
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