Bernie yes, Biden no

[Idiometer]

Made millions. Learned what it takes to make business successful. and used it on the economy.

:2rofll:

 

[Idiometer]

You can be picky all you want and be right here and there but the reality is that Bernie has a vision and he is following it all the time, unlike Trump that waffles depending on the temperature.

If Bernie gets the nom, I'll happily vote for him, but I think that was a stupid thing for him to say, not to mention insensitive. That isn't like Bernie.

 

[Idiometer]

Perhaps you've forgotten that DNC thumb on the scale in 2016.

You don't seriously think they'll leave something like a presidential nomination up to the rank and file, do you?

Sure they will. The rank and file voted overwhelmingly for Hillary. And don't forget, Bernie is not a Democrat.

 

[Fishking]

Democrats will pick who they will pick. Republicans will pick a failure of a ***** grabber. I think the choice is pretty simple.

100% irrelevant to the point I was making.

 

[Idiometer]

Time for new blood in politics. I like Joe and Bernie but being an old lady which I am I want new ideas and new challenges for the future for my grandchildren. Time to buck the status quo.

I'm an old woman myself, but just as Pelosi was the right choice FOR NOW as Speaker, perhaps Biden is the right choice for 2020, at least for one term, until we can mostly recover from the current disaster that is the Trump administration. What would you say to a Biden/Harris ticket? And after one term with Biden's experience at the helm, she could be a shoe in for two terms.

 

[Mycroft]

Although the existence of superdelegates is admittedly a super bad look, they weren't the cause of Clinton's primary win.

That's not the thumb I was talking about.

 

[Mycroft]

That imaginary thumb, kinda like QANON and Bush plotting 9/11?

No. DWS

 

[Craig234]

I don't agree. I see Bernie as the cold war USSR where the government runs everything. Whether you want to call him a socialist or communist (take your pick) he is every thing we spent the last 100 years fighting. I think the republicans would work with Biden unlike the democrats who will not work with anyone. If the democrats don't bring and end to this witch hunt and misuse of our justice system for political gain we may have civil war on our hands. I personally think it is time to take back our government. Our forefathers were clearly right about every now and then you have to upset the applecart to get rid of all the rotten apples.

Your opinion is deluded. It has nothing to do with reality. You might as well call Bernie Charles Manson or a Wall Street tycoon. He's neither a "socialist or communist", and he's what our country fought FOR at its best before the Reagan turn to plutocracy and record inequality.

I don't care WHO the Republicans would "work with" - they're Koch Libertarian owned plutocrats (who wouldn't work with fricken centrists OBAMA or CLINTON) - I *WANT* someone the Republicans won't work with, since they're for the wrong things. You sound like a trump cultist talking about a witch hunt - Bernie IS how we 'take back our government', Biden is not. No wonder a trumpista supports Biden over Bernie?

 

[Craig234]

Polls say differently now, but I sincerely believe that if Bernie wins the nom, we'll have 4 more years of Trump.

But you Dems do what you have to do, even if it's nominating someone who only claims to be a Democrat every four years so he can run for president.

The facts say otherwise - and suggest it's very likely Bernie would have won in 2016, when he did better against trump in every poll than Hillary. Bernie just got a cheering reception with a Fox News audience - don't see Hillary or Biden doing that, do you.

Bernie has caucused with Democrats for decades and is a leader in the party. He's the best Democrat in Congress even if he registers independent for his Senate seat. He was the most popular politician in the country with DEMOCRATS for a reason after the 2016 election.

 

[Luckyone]

Time for new blood in politics. I like Joe and Bernie but being an old lady which I am I want new ideas and new challenges for the future for my grandchildren. Time to buck the status quo.

I agree and would not mind a woman President. Of those that are running, I favor Warren as she has a clear game plan, experience in trying to get things done and a strong mind and will. Nonetheless, the Democrats are going to favor the person that is most likely to beat Trump and unfortunately at this time, it is not Warren. Maybe things will change in the next 18 months but I would not hold my breath on it.

 

[Idiometer]

Of those you mentioned only Klobuchar has come out (sort of) against M4A (saying, basically, not yet) - instead favoring a (Medicaid buy-in) public option. That seems like a reasonable idea to me except that it seems to require state funding/approval.

Yes, and that means that some states won't.

Healthcare costs are the number one issue to voters. Having a solid plan for that is going to be important.

 

[Craig234]

Whoever the Democrats nominate better be thick-skinned and squeaky-clean. If the right-wing media can't dig up any dirt or anything they can spin into dirt, they'll make something up.
In fact, that's liable to start tomorrow.

No, they don't need to be - Republicans will smear anyone, remember Obama was born in Kenya and his pastor and wife hated the US and didn't think any business owners built their business? Too damn bad, we need votes who will ignore their lies, not 'squeaky clean'.

But I think Bernie IS the most 'squeaky clean' candidate we have - he's led the way on things like not taking big or special interest contributions - a radical, good policy.

 

[Craig234]

I agree and would not mind a woman President. Of those that are running, I favor Warren as she has a clear game plan, experience in trying to get things done and a strong mind and will. Nonetheless, the Democrats are going to favor the person that is most likely to beat Trump and unfortunately at this time, it is not Warren. Maybe things will change in the next 18 months but I would not hold my breath on it.

Warren is my #2 pick - but Bernie #1. What a ticket they'd make...

 

[Luckyone]

So far none of the candidates falls into the category you stipulated.

You are totally mistaken:

Thick Skinned:

Bernie, Warren and Buttigeg

Squeaky clean:

Bernie

 

[Carleen]

I'm an old woman myself, but just as Pelosi was the right choice FOR NOW as Speaker, perhaps Biden is the right choice for 2020, at least for one term, until we can mostly recover from the current disaster that is the Trump administration. What would you say to a Biden/Harris ticket? And after one term with Biden's experience at the helm, she could be a shoe in for two terms.

You have made some good points. Too early to know what will happen.

 

[Craig234]

Yes, and that means that some states won't.

Healthcare costs are the number one issue to voters. Having a solid plan for that is going to be important.

You're right, and there's no one I trust more to fight for healthcare for all than Bernie.

Biden supports expanded healthcare, but NOT universal healthcare.

 

[Luckyone]

Warren is my #2 pick - but Bernie #1. What a ticket they'd make...

Unfortunately, they don't like each other very much. It is unlikely that ticket will be made.

 

[Craig234]

IMHO, the demorat base has moved so far left that whoever can win the DNC primary will have little chance of winning the general POTUS election.

"So far left" = the traditional center of the US politics, such as from FDR to Carter, before the radical move to the right since Reagan. You think that because you have warped views - the polls show Bernie would crush trump, but any Democrat has a good chance.

 

[Craig234]

Unfortunately, they don't like each other very much. It is unlikely that ticket will be made.

What are you basing that on? In 2016, Bernie liked Warren so much he said he would not run if she did.

 

[Fishking]

You are totally mistaken:

Thick Skinned:

Bernie, Warren and Buttigeg

Squeaky clean:

Bernie

Bernie ain't clean. He's made a career out of demonizing the rich while owning three houses and being a millionaire while double-dipping from government pension funds, and his wife has serious ethics issues with financing, but I'll hand it to him for mostly being clean.

 

[Craig234]

You know, if policy and consistency of position were actually important to people, Elizabeth Warren would come out on top, no contest.

But oh noes, she took a DNA test and took Trump's troll bait. Now she can't be President.

I often doubt that this country is deserving of a principled and qualified leader.

As I said before, Warren is my #2 pick - that DNA test will not be a problem IMO, it's just blather the media feeds. Look what trump has and he got sort of elected. But Bernie comes out on top for 'policy and consistency of position' - though I don't rate 'consistency' all that highly if people improve their positions.

 

[Casper]

The US is at a historic point, where the concrete of plutocracy will either harden or get attacked. The two main previous inflection points in the country were FDR and Reagan.

Bernie is a third, to right the course of the nation for the public to regain control of our country from the plutocrats. He's a once in many elections chance for that.

Biden is not. Biden is a plutocrat-friendly, centrist Democrat of the sort that continues the Reagan inflection, that will simply oversee continuing the road to more inequality, not returning the government to the people.

While of course Biden would be better than any Republican, it would be terrible for the country instead of changing course with a progressive, preferably Bernie. Not to mention, Bernie will win if nominated much more likely than Biden, who will turn off much of the country similarly to Hillary.

Bernie, No. We cannot afford him, said it in 2016, and still say it now.

 

[Craig234]

Bernie ain't clean. He's made a career out of demonizing the rich while owning three houses and being a millionaire while double-dipping from government pension funds, and his wife has serious ethics issues with financing, but I'll hand it to him for mostly being clean.

He is clean. You are both lying about his "demonizing" the rich and parroting right-wing smears. And he has a little money now from writing books about his policies - not from payments from corrupt interests.

 

[Craig234]

Bernie, No. We cannot afford him, said it in 2016, and still say it now.

Wrong in 2016, wrong now. Note you have NO specifics. For example, his opponents like to throw around the cost of his universal healthcare - while not admitting it's HALF the cost of the current system. We can't afford the CURRENT politics - over $20 trillion in debt - and need Bernie's fiscal responsibility and lowered costs.

 

[Craig234]

I'll use my primary election vote put Biden out in front of Bernie.

Big mistake, voting to keep the wealthy interests owning the country.