What Went Wrong?

[devildavid]

The responsible people are doing just fine. Where I worked they never closed and not a single person has contracted the disease. All my friends that are plumbers have not stopped working and all are doing just fine. All my friends working at the pharmacy are just fine, the grocery store, the post office, and the local hardware store are all just fine.
They are proof that responsible people never needed to close in the first place. Now the irresponsible are another story.

Your anecdotal evidence proves nothing at all.

 

[Eatomus]

Shout out to the unsung Covid Warriors the fake right wing media refuses to report on .
If only their life saving oxygenating plus 2 pack a day lung busting technique and the awesome positive effects it has would be mandatory .
So many lives , so many !

 

[Luckyone]

Your link did not work, but it was to CNN not the CDC.
Also which state opened that was advised not to?

Sorry for the link not working. Here it is again and it works

As states grapple with reopening their economies, Trump says Brian Kemp's plan is 'just too soon' - CNN

As far as the states that opened but it was not recommended to open, it is in the answer I gave you previously but here it is again

About half the states in the country should remain closed until May 25 or later, with Arizona (June 23), South Dakota (June 25), Iowa (June 26), Nebraska (June 30) and North Dakota (July 12) rounding out the bottom of the list.

I do know for a fact (since I live in the state) that Florida was not supposed to open based on CDC guidelines, but they did.

 

[americanwoman]

Haha, are the rioters follow CDC guidelines?

No but the rioters are not the President of the United States.

We all want the person leading America to be better than a random rioter, rights? Or is that the bar - be best like rioters!

 

[apdst]

What Went Wrong - Explained:



Clear and simply explained!

Trump got in the way of the recovery. One more reason to tag Trump as incompetent and uncaring about American lives!

The riots cooled down, so the Leftist media needed something new to undermine the country with.

 

[Rexedgar]

“BEBEST!”

Haven’t heard about the new WH tennis pavilion, how’s it coming along?

 

[apdst]

A right wing internet troll runs the country.

The results speak for themselves.

What's Canada's excuse? It isn't like y'all have the kung flu under control. Before the riots started y'all were at 78 (+/-) deaths per milion. Now, you're at 227. Just for comparison, the U.S. is at 385 per million. Y'all are actually gaining on us.

 

[longview]

Sorry for the link not working. Here it is again and it works

As states grapple with reopening their economies, Trump says Brian Kemp's plan is 'just too soon' - CNN

As far as the states that opened but it was not recommended to open, it is in the answer I gave you previously but here it is again

About half the states in the country should remain closed until May 25 or later, with Arizona (June 23), South Dakota (June 25), Iowa (June 26), Nebraska (June 30) and North Dakota (July 12) rounding out the bottom of the list.

I do know for a fact (since I live in the state) that Florida was not supposed to open based on CDC guidelines, but they did.

Here is my issue, Back in post #92, you said,

I do know that Trump recommended opening up the economy on May 1st and the CDC said that they should not open before June 1st and then only if they met the guidelines for reopening.

And then you cite a CNN article that says,
"

It's just too soon," Trump said Wednesday at the daily White House news briefing on coronavirus when asked about Kemp's timetable. "

It does not sound like Trump is recommending them to open early, but the opposite.
Of course CNN also mentions a model that was once used by the White House, as if that is the official position,
and has no bearing on the current position.

 

[apdst]

No but the rioters are not the President of the United States.

We all want the person leading America to be better than a random rioter, rights? Or is that the bar - be best like rioters!

What are you expecting?

 

[americanwoman]

What are you expecting?

The President to set a good example.

He should follow the CDC guidelines. Don't act like it's okay he doesn't because some rioters do, bad analogy.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Funny... blaming Trump again?

Each governor or other local official set the stage for the reopening of each state.
CDC gave guidelines for this to happen. Some followed to the letter some did not.

You guys hate the president and now there is an uptick of COVID 19 so it's all Trump's
fault.

Where is your upset with Como and all the nursing homes deaths because of his policy to
return COVID 19 positive people to the nursing homes?

 

[Luckyone]

Here is my issue, Back in post #92, you said,

And then you cite a CNN article that says,
"
It does not sound like Trump is recommending them to open early, but the opposite.
Of course CNN also mentions a model that was once used by the White House, as if that is the official position,
and has no bearing on the current position.

You evidently did not read the article.

Trump saying it may be too soon to reopen is specifically regarding Georgia, which was looking to reopen BEFORE May 1st. Evidently, if Trump says May 1st, he would not want anyone reopening before that and that is why he said it.

 

[apdst]

The President to set a good example.

He should follow the CDC guidelines. Don't act like it's okay he doesn't because some rioters do, bad analogy.

You can't make your own decisions? You need to be led?

 

[Luckyone]

Funny... blaming Trump again?

Each governor or other local official set the stage for the reopening of each state.
CDC gave guidelines for this to happen. Some followed to the letter some did not.

You guys hate the president and now there is an uptick of COVID 19 so it's all Trump's
fault.

Where is your upset with Como and all the nursing homes deaths because of his policy to
return COVID 19 positive people to the nursing homes?

You really need to change your nick. Every single time you post with this nick, it is seen as a lie.

Here is what Cuomo said regarding this situation:

“This nursing home directive was based on CDC guidelines and is virtually identical to several other states,” he said in a statement. “And the clear policy is if a nursing home does not have the facilities, the staff nor the protective equipment to care for a resident, they must transfer them to a place that can — period.”

No one in a pandemic knows everything and therefore mistakes will be made as it is human nature. Nonetheless, some guidelines need to be followed and those are the CDC guidelines. If you want to blame someone, blame the CDC as they are the ones responsible, not Cuomo!

More importantly and where you use your "selective criticism" is that when Cuomo realized that it was the wrong thing to do, he reversed the order

Cuomo Reverses Nursing Home Directive to Take COVID-19 Patients, Requires More Staff Testing

Hospitals cannot release patients to nursing homes in New York unless the patient tests negative for the virus, Cuomo said Sunday

Never have I seen Trump admit he was wrong. Never.

Everyday, I lose any respect for the posts you put up. You come across as a spokesperson for Trump and not a seeker of Truth. Shame on you.

 

[longview]

You evidently did not read the article.

Trump saying it may be too soon to reopen is specifically regarding Georgia, which was looking to reopen BEFORE May 1st. Evidently, if Trump says May 1st, he would not want anyone reopening before that and that is why he said it.

Fair enough, but where did the CDC say Georgia for example should not open until June 1?
The CDC guidelines were not set by date, but rather by new case numbers.
IMOHO, it still looks like in Texas at least, the spike in new cases is from the protest mostly, not the opening.
They are backing out the openings, back to the 2nd week in May levels, so if that was the cause, we should see new cases drop.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Your anecdotal evidence proves nothing at all.

It proves responsible people can continue working safely through this pandemic just like they did through all the previous. I just talked to my friend about getting a heating and AC unit for one of my houses and he informed everyone is still fine. He said the company immediately took steps to protect the workers and their customers which has worked flawlessly for all the stores in the NE. A major hot spot for the past few months. Sorry if you don't like the fact that many businesses have had no need to close and have protected their workers as well as their customers. Responsible people can work safely during this pandemic. That is a fact that has been proven all across the country.

 

[TomFitz]

That 2/10's of 1% death rate is acceptable risk for most O2 consuming humans

Really?

Tell that to the Italian, the Swedes, the Brazilians and the Chinese.

 

[TomFitz]

Fair enough, but where did the CDC say Georgia for example should not open until June 1?
The CDC guidelines were not set by date, but rather by new case numbers.
IMOHO, it still looks like in Texas at least, the spike in new cases is from the protest mostly, not the opening.
They are backing out the openings, back to the 2nd week in May levels, so if that was the cause, we should see new cases drop.

TheCDC did not direct the reopening of any state.

The Trump Administration refused to assume the responsibility, and Trump has gone around undermining, belittling and attacking the experts.

Don’t even bother trying to pretend that didn’t happen. We all watched it.

 

[longview]

TheCDC did not direct the reopening of any state.

The Trump Administration refused to assume the responsibility, and Trump has gone around undermining, belittling and attacking the experts.

Don’t even bother trying to pretend that didn’t happen. We all watched it.

So the OP point that Trump recommended states open early against CDC guidance, is not valid?

 

[VySky]

Really?

Tell that to the Italian, the Swedes, the Brazilians and the Chinese.

Where did they come into play? America first baby...... haven’t you heard?

 

[TomFitz]

So the OP point that Trump recommended states open early against CDC guidance, is not valid?

We all watched it. Trump bragged about and actively promoted politicians like DiSantis and Abbot when they ignored CDC guidelines. Trump belittled and contradicted his own task force. He openly eggs on the mask denying flag waving Trumpster mob.

The CDC does not have authority to order states to do things.

Trump has some authority under declaration of emergency. Which he has refused to use. owing largely to having no idea what to do, afraid to do anything, and refusal to accept the responsibility that comes with the job.

 

[devildavid]

It proves responsible people can continue working safely through this pandemic just like they did through all the previous. I just talked to my friend about getting a heating and AC unit for one of my houses and he informed everyone is still fine. He said the company immediately took steps to protect the workers and their customers which has worked flawlessly for all the stores in the NE. A major hot spot for the past few months. Sorry if you don't like the fact that many businesses have had no need to close and have protected their workers as well as their customers. Responsible people can work safely during this pandemic. That is a fact that has been proven all across the country.

Your anecdotal evidence proves nothing.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Your anecdotal evidence proves nothing.

These workers by the millions all across this country have proven me right. Responsible people never needed to stop doing their job because of the pandemic.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

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Cuba treats lung cancer with $1 vaccine
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Rest assured, financial capitalism will inflate the price hundreds or thousands of times. Same for coronavirus drug.

 

[longview]

We all watched it. Trump bragged about and actively promoted politicians like DiSantis and Abbot when they ignored CDC guidelines. Trump belittled and contradicted his own task force. He openly eggs on the mask denying flag waving Trumpster mob.

The CDC does not have authority to order states to do things.

Trump has some authority under declaration of emergency. Which he has refused to use. owing largely to having no idea what to do, afraid to do anything, and refusal to accept the responsibility that comes with the job.

Trump bragged that he recommended states open early against CDC guidance?
He brags about all sort of things, I don't remember that one.
Also did the CDC issue guidance stating that Texas for example show not start to open on May 1?
The way I remember it, it directly followed CDC guidance.
Are you saying Trump should have assumed more authority under a declaration of emergency?
He ether does or does not know what he is doing, if he does not, how would more authority help?