What Went Wrong?

[countryboy]

Forgive me for saying this, but your post is about as uninformed as a post can be!

The rioters are people (not governments). They do not decide guidelines and regulations for the citizens of the state to follow.

I do not know what you are thinking by putting up such a post. The idea is for regulations of the governing body to be in place. Whether the people follow them or not is not the point. People will often do what they want and not what is right. Nonetheless, the reason for there being a governing body is for there to be a guideline to follow. The rioters and those breaking the guidelines can be fined. If you have nothing, then anarchy will follow. Is that what you are suggesting we have?

Libs are nothing but hypocrites. Your selective outrage is idiotic, at best.

 

[Luckyone]

How's it an exception, and to what rule?

It's the most populous state in the country, was one of the first states to lock down, and among the strictest. Yet it never saw a decrease in its daily numbers and even then, started opening up weeks ago. You think Newsom did that because of Trump?

The rule is very simple. Follow the CDC guidelines. Those states (like New York) that followed the guidelines have seen the curve go down like in Europe. Those who haven't have seen it go up.

Trump rushed to open the economy in May and most states had not met the CD guidelines. He was TOLD to wait another month and he didn't. He is now paying the price for that decision.

 

[countryboy]

Exponential growth

Ten people in the first day 20 people 3 days later 40 people 3 days after that 80 people three days after that.

That is the is the issue with Covid 19, it takes time to show illness, and in the meantime a lot of people will get infected. The initial cases don’t worry people but a month later lots of new reported cases. People always forget the growth rate in infections

And yet, libs still refuse to admonish their rioting comrades.

 

[countryboy]

It's easier to blame Trump (who has done more than enough to be blamed for) than those restaurants and bars for ignoring mask and social distance requirements.

But it only makes one a hypocrite to do so.

 

[countryboy]

Or bars. Who thought that was a good idea, going somewhere to ingest a disinhibitory drug with strangers.

What could go wrong?

So still can't admonish your fellow travelers, got it.

 

[countryboy]

There has been very little evidence of transmission during outdoor gatherings, particularly when most of the participants wear masks.

There is overwhelming evidence of transmission during indoor gatherings like bars, restaurants, and churches. We just hit record infections, almost entirely due to people visiting Texas, Florida, and SC and going to bars, restaurants, and churches. The idiots are ruining the recovery for everyone.

Lol, is that what the actual data says? Please cite.

And if large outdoor gatherings are totally cool, why did libs pitch such a fit when Florida started opening beaches? Shouldn't all outdoor activities be allowed to restart?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

And yet, libs still refuse to admonish their rioting comrades.

I doubt many of the protesters identify as liberal

 

[Luckyone]

Libs are nothing but hypocrites. Your selective outrage is idiotic, at best.

You are arguing like all Trump supporters do.

The job of the government is to set the rules for the safety of the population. If the rules they set are not the ones the experts recommend, then be prepared to pay the price for the decisions made.

What this has to do with Libs is beyond my ability to understand.

As far as selective outrage, what the heck are you talking about? I am mad at everyone that does not follow the rules of health safety for my health or the health of others. I have at no time said that I support the rioters. Nonetheless, it is not my responsibility or the responsibility of any one rioters to stop the rioting from occurring. It is the governments job though, to put up the measures needed to show what everyone must do to prevent the virus from spreading. If they don't follow the rules, they should be punished. Protests are legal but CDC guidelines of staying 6 feet apart and using a mask need to be followed by everyone. I certainly am 100% against rioters and looting and have not stated that I am for it.

You seem to be searching for any straw with which you can criticize and vent your anger but I am not one you should be targeting. What I say is based on general caring for all,and rules and guidelines being followed. You don't agree?

How come you are criticizing me and not criticizing Trump for actually putting guidelines in place that are actually getting people killed? Where is your anger in that respect? Talk about SELECTIVE OUTRAGE, you certainly are showing that loud and clear.

 

[jakiejakester]

And yet, many states started opening in early May, with no flareups until now. Gee, what has happened in the interim? Does the virus ignore large sweaty crowds committing violence?

Bars and restaurants opened inside and alcohol makes people put their guard down and that means no social distancing and no masks = SPIKE. Quite simple. Add Memorial Day when people drink even more, wait three weeks and voila!

 

[countryboy]

I doubt many of the protesters identify as liberal

Liberal, leftist, Marxist, Socialist, are all distinctions without any real discernable difference.

 

[countryboy]

Bars and restaurants opened inside and alcohol makes people put their guard down and that means no social distancing and no masks = SPIKE. Quite simple. Add Memorial Day when people drink even more, wait three weeks and voila!

Give me a break. Why wouldn't it have spiked sooner? These spikes directly coincide with the massive riots, and the incubation period for covid-19. To disregard this only makes you look like a partisan hack.

And while you're at it, perhaps you can explain why Democrat run states still have the largest death rates by orders of magnitude, despite draconian lockdown measures.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Liberal, leftist, Marxist, Socialist, are all distinctions without any real discernable difference.

racist fascist conservative

no real difference

 

[Hari Seldon]

And yet, many states started opening in early May, with no flareups until now. Gee, what has happened in the interim? Does the virus ignore large sweaty crowds committing violence?

Or large sweaty crowds with no masks demanding states reopen.

 

[countryboy]

racist fascist conservative

no real difference

Except that that conservative isn't related in any way to racist, or fascist, that's your side.

 

[countryboy]

Or large sweaty crowds with no masks demanding states reopen.

So you admit the BLM riots are the main cause of the covid spikes, but you just can't bring yourself to say it? Pathetic.

 

[Hari Seldon]

So you admit the BLM riots are the main cause of the covid spikes, but you just can't bring yourself to say it? Pathetic.

No I don't admit that and your jumping to conclusions and lack of reading comprehension is pathetic. Your willingness to dismiss the lockdown protests is also pathetic. The spikes are being caused by close in door contact with no face masks like bars and restaurants. Also a lack of social distancing and yes all the protests are contributing factors.

 

[countryboy]

No I don't admit that and your jumping to conclusions and lack of reading comprehension is pathetic. Your willingness to dismiss the lockdown protests is also pathetic. The spikes are being caused by close in door contact with no face masks like bars and restaurants. Also a lack of social distancing and yes all the protests are contributing factors.

But you just can't bring yourself to denounce the BLM rioters directly. Lol, ****ing hilarious.

 

[Hari Seldon]

But you just can't bring yourself to denounce the BLM rioters directly. Lol, ****ing hilarious.

Wrong again although I am not surprised. I have denounced the looters but not the peaceful protestors. Keep trying, I'm sure you will get something correct eventually. How about denouncing this malignant narcissist scumbag dispersing protestors for a photo op. A disgrace as a leader and human being.

 

[Noodlegawd]

The rule is very simple. Follow the CDC guidelines. Those states (like New York) that followed the guidelines have seen the curve go down like in Europe. Those who haven't have seen it go up.

Trump rushed to open the economy in May and most states had not met the CD guidelines. He was TOLD to wait another month and he didn't. He is now paying the price for that decision.

The CDC is an administrative agency, i.e. it ultimately answers to Trump.

Trump didn't open anything. The individual governors did.

 

[Dayton3]

"acceptable?"

Let me ask you a stupid question. Is anything unnecessarily worse good, whether is be .01%, .001% or even .001%?

Absolutely. We all accept a certain level of unnecessary risks every day.

 

[avatar]

But you just can't bring yourself to denounce the BLM rioters directly. Lol, ****ing hilarious.

Perhaps the BLM protesters are a lesser problem than beach going party on folks and bar hoppers. There is no evidence so far that BLM protesters are spiking at a rate close to as fast as that happening in the beach/open wide states

 

[jakiejakester]

Give me a break. Why wouldn't it have spiked sooner? These spikes directly coincide with the massive riots, and the incubation period for covid-19. To disregard this only makes you look like a partisan hack.

And while you're at it, perhaps you can explain why Democrat run states still have the largest death rates by orders of magnitude, despite draconian lockdown measures.

You know you can write replies without attacking me personally? Acting like a Trump Bully is unbecoming. Bars opened later as did indoor dining. California just closed all of their bars too. You asked why was the death rate higher in NY? First off Trump failed to recognize in time the millions of travelers coming from Europe that infected the east coast. Secondly, in the beginning no one had any real strategies based on past history, it is a NOVEL CORONA VIRUS. Thirdly, have you ever visited NYC and seen how densely packed the population is here AND how most people use public transportation. Fourth, NY State now has the LOWEST infection rate of all 50 states per capita. Why? Because we all wear masks, we social distance, we wash our hands like crazy and indoor dining and bars haven't reopened yet. Ohio, where you are has done a good job because your GOP Governor did what Cuomo did, listened toe the experts and followed the science. The governors in FL, TX and AZ listened to Trump and opened too soon and did not follow the reopening guidelines that Trump's team suggested (and that Trump ignores until this day). Just wait, FL, TX, AZ, SC et al's death rate will sadly spike in the next 10-30 days when all the infected people now get really sick and some will die. Generally, when you're diagnosed it takes weeks for people to die. Do me a favor? Stop lumping anyone who disagrees with you partisan hacks, libs, socialists, commies, anti-god, anti-American etc. Can't people disagree and be respectful? Is that too challenging for you or do you get off on attacking people (like Trump does)?

 

[devildavid]

I'll tell you what went wrong. The same people who put Trump in the White House are the ones who think that COVID-19 is not a threat. It only takes a few to infect many.

 

[jakiejakester]

So you admit the BLM riots are the main cause of the covid spikes, but you just can't bring yourself to say it? Pathetic.

Please show proof that for what you wrote. I've not seen any evidence that says what you wrote. How come NYC is not spiking?

 

[jakiejakester]

The CDC is an administrative agency, i.e. it ultimately answers to Trump.

Trump didn't open anything. The individual governors did.

Trump did nothing, you are correct. No other President since WWII would have allowed there not to be a federal response, with guidelines that each state should follow to reopen. You're right, Trump did NOTHING except and that contributed to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths so far with sadly, many more tens of thousands still to come. Even sadder, Trump couldn't give a sh** who dies. He only cares about himself.