[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

[CLAX1911]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

Another comment it is sad to see a person make who refers to himself as a Christian...maybe this will help...the original Greek...

9. ἢ Or οὐκ not οἴδατε have YOU known ὅτι that ἄδικοι unjust (ones) θεοῦ of God βασιλείαν kingdom οὐ not κληρονομήσουσιν; they will inherit? Μὴ Not πλανᾶσθε· be YOU being misled; οὔτε neither πόρνοι fornicators οὔτε nor εἰδωλολάτραι idolaters οὔτε nor μοιχοὶ adulterers οὔτε nor μαλακοὶ soft [men] οὔτε nor ἀρσενοκοῖται liers with males

10 οὔτε nor κλέπται thieves οὔτε nor πλεονέκται, covetous (ones), οὐ not μέθυσοι, drunkards, οὐ not λοίδοροι, revilers, οὐχ not ἅρπαγες snatchers βασιλείαν kingdom θεοῦ of God κληρονομήσουσιν. they will inherit.

soft doesn't mean homosexual.

 

[CLAX1911]

Because others as well as I have chastised him on a few things like negative viewpoints about transgender folks.

I dont have negative view points on transgender people. I just don't affirm nonsense.

 

[Daisy]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

soft doesn't mean homosexual.

Yes, it does as does" liers with men"

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
soft, effeminate
NASB Translation
effeminate (1), soft (3).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3120: μαλακός

μαλακός, μαλακή, μαλακον, soft; soft to the touch: ἱμάτια, Matthew 11:8 R G L brackets; Luke 7:25 (ἱματίων πολυτελῶν καί μαλακων, Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 1, 78; ἐσθής, Homer, Odyssey 23, 290; Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 2, 3; χιτών, Homer, Iliad 2, 42); and simply τά μαλακά, soft raiment (see λευκός, 1): Matthew 11:8 T Tr WH. Like the Latinmollis, metaphorically, and in a bad sense: effeminate, of a catamite, a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness, 1 Corinthians 6:9 (Dionysius Halicarnassus, Antiquities 7, 2 under the end; ((Diogenes Laërtius 7, 173 at the end)).


https://biblehub.com/greek/3120.htm

ef·fem·i·nate
əˈfemənət/Submit
adjective
(of a man) having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly.
synonyms: womanish, effete, foppish, unmanly, feminine; More

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[CLAX1911]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

Yes, it does as does

Bull****.

 

[soylentgreen]

both.

I can understand the arguments against your right lean by the left. But what would they have to say about your being gay? Unless you have managed to put a right wing swing into it.

 

[lurchadams]

Executing a person convicted of capital murder is a little different than executing 13 year olds for being homosexual.

Can you really not see that? Besides Sweden can do whatever they want.

The left is made up of individuals. Some of those individuals are religious bigots. Its ridiculous to think they don't exist.

Dude, I'll give you one more chance and then I give up. The GOP, in order to cater to their religious right base engages in institutional bigotry and attempts to pass laws that discriminate against folks in the LGBT community. Our VP when he was governor of Indiana attempted to pass a bill that allowed businesses to fire people for being gay. North Carolina passed the famous "Restroom Bill" and then passed another bill that prevented a local jurisdiction from overriding the state law. trump via twitter announced he's banning transgender folks from helping to protect our country. You made the claim that "the left" does the same thing. Give me an example.

 

[CLAX1911]

I can understand the arguments against your right lean by the left. But what would they have to say about your being gay? Unless you have managed to put a right wing swing into it.

I am not supposed to think the way I do if I am homosexual. And if I do, I am a homosexual equivalent to an uncle tom.

They dont think homosexuals are supposed to have a mind of their own.

 

[HumblePi]

Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

Being gay is not a choice. What century are you living in?

 

[CLAX1911]

Dude, I'll give you one more chance and then I give up. The GOP, in order to cater to their religious right base engages in institutional bigotry and attempts to pass laws that discriminate against folks in the LGBT community. Our VP when he was governor of Indiana attempted to pass a bill that allowed businesses to fire people for being gay. North Carolina passed the famous "Restroom Bill" and then passed another bill that prevented a local jurisdiction from overriding the state law. You made the claim that "the left" does the same thing. Give me an example.

I didn't claim the left makes up legislation, i never mentioned lgbt.

 

[soylentgreen]

I am not supposed to think the way I do if I am homosexual. And if I do, I am a homosexual equivalent to an uncle tom.

They dont think homosexuals are supposed to have a mind of their own.

That is a fair enough point. No one wants to be stereotyped.

But the emphasis there is on the way you think, not what you do in bed.

 

[CLAX1911]

That is a fair enough point. No one wants to be stereotyped.

But the emphasis there is on the way you think, not what you do in bed.

it's about my sexual orientation. They wouldn't call me the homosexual equivalent of an uncle tom if it wasn't about my sexual orientation.

 

[lurchadams]

I didn't claim the left makes up legislation, i never mentioned lgbt.

You're right. Here's what you said:

There are people on the right that use the bible to justify all sorts of things, but there are people in the left that do that too.

Now, for the last time (I promise) give me an example of how people on the left use the bible to justify the oppression of any group of people. If you can't, please give me an example of what the heck you're talking about.

 

[soylentgreen]

it's about my sexual orientation. They wouldn't call me the homosexual equivalent of an uncle tom if it wasn't about my sexual orientation.

On the other hand they would not be calling you an uncle tom if your thinking was more to the left.

No one on the left is telling you your homosexuality is wrong for a right winger. They are telling you your thinking is wrong for a homosexual.

 

[CLAX1911]

You're right. Here's what you said:



Now, for the last time (I promise) give me an example of how people on the left use the bible to justify the oppression of any group of people. If you can't, please give me an example of what the heck you're talking about.

Why? is it impossible for you to accept that there are religious bigots on the left? The examples I could present you with are anecdotal.

 

[CLAX1911]

On the other hand they would not be calling you an uncle tom if your thinking was more to the left.

or if I wasn't homosexual.

No one on the left is telling you your homosexuality is wrong for a right winger. They are telling you your thinking is wrong for a homosexual.

That is bigotry. There isn't a prescribed approved thinking pattern for homosexuals.

 

[Wan]

Hi Clax.Remember when we first 'met' and you told me that it was your personal experience that it was those from the left who seemed to judge you more on your gender preference that those on the right?...

CLAX is gay? This explains a lot of things.

They are telling you your thinking is wrong for a homosexual.

This sounds like thought policing.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Being gay is not a choice. What century are you living in?

I never said it was a choice and you're not the first person on this thread to make that straw man argument.

 

[Enoch]

On the other hand they would not be calling you an uncle tom if your thinking was more to the left.

No one on the left is telling you your homosexuality is wrong for a right winger. They are telling you your thinking is wrong for a homosexual.

There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" thinking for homosexuals, unless one prescribes to the idea that being gay is the only part about a person that matters.

 

[soylentgreen]

or if I wasn't homosexual.

That is bigotry. There isn't a prescribed approved thinking pattern for homosexuals.

I cannot argue this. I would have to agree it is wrong to assume you think a certain way just because you are gay.

But then stereotyping is a failing among all of us.

After all you are from texas.

 

[soylentgreen]

CLAX is gay? This explains a lot of things.


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He is a texan as well. Does that explain anything?

This sounds like thought policing

If they ordered him to think a certain way that would be thought policing. But if you act outside the box then don't be surprised if someone says they did expect that.

 

[soylentgreen]

There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" thinking for homosexuals, unless one prescribes to the idea that being gay is the only part about a person that matters.

True, It is just a matter of expectations. I find it quite weird that there actually gay christians. But there are. So why should there not be gay right wingers.

 

[CLAX1911]

I cannot argue this. I would have to agree it is wrong to assume you think a certain way just because you are gay.

But then stereotyping is a failing among all of us.

thank you for understanding my point.

I'm not arguing that anyone is right or wrong I'm just stating that everyone is a little bit wrong sometimes.

After all you are from texas.

No horns and I definitely have testicles lol.

 

[CLAX1911]

He is a texan as well. Does that explain anything?




If they ordered him to think a certain way that would be thought policing. But if you act outside the box then don't be surprised if someone says they did expect that.

I'm perfectly happy to accept people saying they didn't expect something. But for someone to invent a slur just for me is not the same thing.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Some of the people on this forum had made the straw man argument that I said being gay was a choice. I never implied it was a choice.

 

[lurchadams]

Some of the people on this forum had made the straw man argument that I said being gay was a choice. I never implied it was a choice.

Perhaps not you, but several of your right-wing religious buddies have made that claim.