[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

[CLAX1911]

This thread,although it is admittedly a small sample pool,would indicate otherwise if you look through the posts and who identifies as lefties and righties,and who has posted what regarding homosexuality.

Well, at Best it's about 50-50.

 

[Logician Man]

Well, at Best it's about 50-50.

Not really..I just went though all 573 posts.It's more like 80/20,and that is being generous to conservatives, if one looks at the posts and who identifies as conservatives vs. progressives/dems. I didn't count any who identified as independent,other,unaffiliated,or declined.I only charted Libs and Cons.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not really..I just went though all 573 posts.It's more like 80/20,and that is being generous to conservatives, if one looks at the posts and who identifies as conservatives vs. progressives/dems. I didn't count any who identified as independent,other,unaffiliated,or declined.I only charted Libs and Cons.

Yes but there are people on this Earth other than those posting in this forum. So your sample size is extremely small.

 

[Logician Man]

Yes but there are people on this Earth other than those posting in this forum. So your sample size is extremely small.

yes,I stated that above.But U.S. history tells us it is the progressives/Dems who fought for equal rights for the LGBT community,not the Conservatives. Conservatives,by definition,are reluctant to change.,.That is indisputable,and it is world wide also.

 

[CLAX1911]

yes,I stated that above.But U.S. history tells us it is the progressives/Dems who fought for equal rights for the LGBT community,not the Conservatives.

Lol it was Nither. It was the lesbians gays bisexuals and transgender people themselves. Progressives risked nothing.

Conservatives,by definition,are reluctant to change.,.That is indisputable,and it is world wide also.

Classical conservatives yes, I've met very few peopled that really are.

 

[Logician Man]

Lol it was Nither. It was the lesbians gays bisexuals and transgender people themselves. Progressives risked nothing.

Classical conservatives yes, I've met very few peopled that really are.

I didn't say progressives 'risked' anything.Those are your words,not mine. Fact remains 'straight' liberals/dems were voting for your equal rights while conservatives were/are doing their damndest to deprive you of your basic civil rights.That too is indisputable because we have a rough idea of what percentage of human beings are LBGT. But by all means,keep defending those who would wish to revoke those civil rights you now enjoy.Just like Roe vs. Wade,your basic civil rights can also be taken away from you again, and it will be Conservatives leading that fight. So there is that to consider.

 

[Aberration]

My argument is Rock Solid. It has changed.

Maybe I just couldn’t find it in all the ad hominem nonsense.

Posturing and denial notwithstanding.

Indeed.

 

[Daisy]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

The bible isn't written in English.

That is not only a pitiful argument but a sad argument as well, coming from someone who calls themselves a Christian...

 

[CLAX1911]

I didn't say progressives 'risked' anything.Those are your words,not mine. Fact remains 'straight' liberals/dems were voting for your equal rights while conservatives were/are doing their damndest to deprive you of your basic civil rights.

liberals did something Progressive Democrats didn't do anything those aren't the same thing. And I don't ever remember a time that I was being deprived of the basic human rights because of my sexual orientation.

That too is indisputable because we have a rough idea of what percentage of human beings are LBGT. But by all means,keep defending those who would wish to revoke those civil rights you now enjoy.Just like Roe vs. Wade,your basic civil rights can also be taken away from you again, and it will be Conservatives leading that fight. So there is that to consider.

I will dispute that I've never been deprived of basic human rights. And I don't buy the malarkey about the conservative devil being in the conspiracy to take away all the rights.

 

[CLAX1911]

Maybe I just couldn’t find it in all the ad hominem nonsense.

and just like that irony metres broke all across the land.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

That is not only a pitiful argument but a sad argument as well, coming from someone who calls themselves a Christian...

This is just your way of saying you can't argue against it.

It's just nothing ever in it once about homosexuality. In the 900th interpretation it might. But originally it did not.

Try this one on for size I am absolutely Cristian but I don't believe the Bible is the word of God it's too flawed it's too easily misinterpreted by people.

 

[Enoch]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

I think the discussion of homosexuality as opposed to the Biblical position is almost always fruitless. I have done it and won't any longer. However, I will say one thing as it pertains to your comments. The difference in opinion in so called "Christian Circles" is caused by only one thing. That is this. Adherence to the scriptures. The Bibles position is very clear. Homosexual activity is a sin. The so called 'Christians" that support gay marriage do so at their own peril.

But, why on earth should anyone other than Christians care what the bible says? I see biblical arguments against homosexuality trotted out all the time, but rarely with any real reason why non-Christians should care. It is a sin or it isn't a sin. It doesn't affect my life at all what Christians think of me and my relationship as a gay man.

 

[lurchadams]

I don't care who has an issue with it, it isn't my issue. What I said was I face more discrimination from the left.

What a load of crap. It's the left that is defending everyone's right to live how they want and love who they want. It's the right that cowers behind the bible in order for them to feel okay about being homophobic. There are actual facts and actual history in the form of GOP proposed and actual legislation to support this.

Please identify any Democratic sponsored legislation that you feel discriminates against LGBT people.

 

[CLAX1911]

What a load of crap. It's the left that is defending everyone's right to live how they want and love who they want.

to some extent yes but in certain cases it's the left that is impeding it.

For all the demand for tolerance they seem to be quite intolerant. I haven't heard anybody from the right demanding we make laws against hate speech. It's uncommon from the right to hear people demand restrictions on people's rights to own guns.

So from the perspective of an independent person it appears that it's about 50-50

It's the right that cowers behind the bible in order for them to feel okay about being homophobic. There are actual facts and actual history in the form of GOP proposed and actual legislation to support this.

This is far to partisan to be accurate. There are people in the right who are atheist.

There are people on the right that use the bible to justify all sorts of things, but there are people in the left that do that too. Further the left doesn't seem to give a crap about Islam and its extreme homophobia.

So i don't buy the pure altruism you are trying to sell to me.

Please identify any Democratic sponsored legislation that you feel discriminates against LGBT people.

Fighting trump on banning International visitors from seven countries.

These are the seven countries that either exterminate or imprison homosexuals. Why would we want people from those countries here is there just not enough homophobia we need to import it from other countries?

 

[lurchadams]

to some extent yes but in certain cases it's the left that is impeding it.

For all the demand for tolerance they seem to be quite intolerant. I haven't heard anybody from the right demanding we make laws against hate speech. It's uncommon from the right to hear people demand restrictions on people's rights to own guns.

So from the perspective of an independent person it appears that it's about 50-50


This is far to partisan to be accurate. There are people in the right who are atheist.

There are people on the right that use the bible to justify all sorts of things, but there are people in the left that do that too. Further the left doesn't seem to give a crap about Islam and its extreme homophobia.

So i don't buy the pure altruism you are trying to sell to me.

Fighting trump on banning International visitors from seven countries.

These are the seven countries that either exterminate or imprison homosexuals. Why would we want people from those countries here is there just not enough homophobia we need to import it from other countries?

Dude, there's plenty of homophobia and anti LGBT bigotry here. Should France, for example ban American tourism because of trump's desire expel and ban transgender folks from our armed forces? Let us clean up our own house before condemning others for the same crap our right-wing leadership supports.

Would you please give me an example of something from the bible the left uses to justify bigotry? I'm really curious.

 

[CLAX1911]

Dude, there's plenty of homophobia and anti LGBT bigotry here. Should France, for example ban American tourism because of trump's desire expel and ban transgender folks from our armed forces?

No they should start with the middle east. Some places there will execute children for being homosexual. To ban tourism from the U.S. while accepting large numbers of immigrants from the middle east would be profoundly hypocritical.

Let us clean up our own house before condemning others for the same crap our right-wing leadership supports.

Stopping more homophobic people from coming here is the first step.

Would you please give me an example of something from the bible the left uses to justify bigotry? I'm really curious.

You don't think anybody in the left is capable of religious bases bigotry? That's a bit far fetched.

 

[soylentgreen]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

Homosexuality is a belief? How so? You've spoken very strongly against Christianity and I assume religion in general, but by your own words, you've made homosexuality a religion? Can you explain that?

And how did i make homosexuality a belief?

 

[lurchadams]

No they should start with the middle east. Some places there will execute children for being homosexual. To ban tourism from the U.S. while accepting large numbers of immigrants from the middle east would be profoundly hypocritical.

Stopping more homophobic people from coming here is the first step.

You don't think anybody in the left is capable of religious bases bigotry? That's a bit far fetched.

Okay let us ban travel from any country were any oppression of any kind exists. Sweden claims that your race determines your level of intelligence. No, they don't execute people. America is the only non third world country that still does execute people. Should Europe ban Americans from traveling there for that?

To the bolded: Sure. I think individuals are capable of just about anything. Let me clarify my question. You made the claim that the left hides behind the bible to justify their bigotry. Can you provide an example?

 

[soylentgreen]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

So what do you think this means exactly?

"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom." 1 Corinthians 6:9,10

What do i car if a bunch of ancient homophobes wrote something in a book that expresses only there own prejudices. You seem to think this book is written by a god itself. It was not, it was written by men more concerned with their own power and giving themselves authority by pretending exactly what the readers of that book today pretends, that it is gods word.

You might as well be showing me a page out of a superman comic book for all that that useless trash of a book is worth.

Again, i shall point out the obvious which you are desperate to ignore. You and you alone are responsible for cherry picking that sentence out of the book. It is you and only you who must take the responsibility for saying that homosexuality is a sin.

And not only the evidence but good reasoning demonstrates this because as has been pointed out many times christians will read different meanings into what that book says. From those who would criminalise homosexuality to those who accept and embrace it to your kind who blame a god for your own faults.

 

[soylentgreen]

I don't care who has an issue with it, it isn't my issue. What I said was I face more discrimination from the left.

Because your gay or because you lean to the right?

 

[Daisy]

Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

This is just your way of saying you can't argue against it.

It's just nothing ever in it once about homosexuality. In the 900th interpretation it might. But originally it did not.

Try this one on for size I am absolutely Cristian but I don't believe the Bible is the word of God it's too flawed it's too easily misinterpreted by people.

Another comment it is sad to see a person make who refers to himself as a Christian...maybe this will help...the original Greek...

9. ἢ Or οὐκ not οἴδατε have YOU known ὅτι that ἄδικοι unjust (ones) θεοῦ of God βασιλείαν kingdom οὐ not κληρονομήσουσιν; they will inherit? Μὴ Not πλανᾶσθε· be YOU being misled; οὔτε neither πόρνοι fornicators οὔτε nor εἰδωλολάτραι idolaters οὔτε nor μοιχοὶ adulterers οὔτε nor μαλακοὶ soft [men] οὔτε nor ἀρσενοκοῖται liers with males

10 οὔτε nor κλέπται thieves οὔτε nor πλεονέκται, covetous (ones), οὐ not μέθυσοι, drunkards, οὐ not λοίδοροι, revilers, οὐχ not ἅρπαγες snatchers βασιλείαν kingdom θεοῦ of God κληρονομήσουσιν. they will inherit.

 

[brothern]

I don't care who has an issue with it, it isn't my issue. What I said was I face more discrimination from the left.

Because you're gay or because you lean to the right?

Because others as well as I have chastised him on a few things like negative viewpoints about transgender folks.

 

[soylentgreen]

Because others as well as I have chastised him on a few things like negative viewpoints about transgender folks.

Yeah! I have had a go at him myself over religious issues concerning women's rights. Of course the left are going to argue against him. He leans right so what would he expect.

 

[CLAX1911]

Okay let us ban travel from any country were any oppression of any kind exists. Sweden claims that your race determines your level of intelligence. No, they don't execute people. America is the only non third world country that still does execute people. Should Europe ban Americans from traveling there for that?

Executing a person convicted of capital murder is a little different than executing 13 year olds for being homosexual.

Can you really not see that? Besides Sweden can do whatever they want.

To the bolded: Sure. I think individuals are capable of just about anything. Let me clarify my question. You made the claim that the left hides behind the bible to justify their bigotry. Can you provide an example?

The left is made up of individuals. Some of those individuals are religious bigots. Its ridiculous to think they don't exist.

 

[CLAX1911]

Because your gay or because you lean to the right?

both.