Philadelphia's Top Prosecutor Is Prepared to Arrest Federal Agents

[Somerville]

Your belief in your own firebrand language is why you are wrong:
Unbadged and un uniformed: their uniforms are labeled, and the suspect is informed of the authority to arrest.
Brutalizing and kidnapping: they are arrested, not kidnapped. And like all arrests it is up to the arrestee how it goes. Easy or hard.
Constitutional right to make America a better place: Arson, looting, and assault on police is not acceptable to anyone but them.
“Unlawfully assaults and kidnaps” that’s a knee slapper. Maybe they should concern themselves with lowering the daily total of murder and assault among their own citizens.

Your bull**** cup runneth over.

Yes, your bull **** cup does runneth over.

"firebrand language"?? You have a strange understanding of two common words.

"their uniforms are labeled"? Not according to people on the site. Of course this may change in the future. People grabbed off the streets in Portland were not informed of any "authority to arrest" Police and federal acts show that non-violent protesters have been assaulted and in some cases have suffered serious injuries.

It seems that certain officials in the state of Oregon do believe the feds have committed "unlawful assaults.

 

[ClaraD]

I am questioning the interpretation of those events.

It is pretty clear they did not read him his rights, nor was he free to go...and they did snatch him off the street for no crime at all...most of us call that kidnapping and false imprisonment.

 

[apdst]

No, they aren't...btw, being communist is not against the law in the United States...

They're straight up ****ing commies. Why legal, they need to keep their ideology to themselves and shut the **** up.

 

[Athanasius68]

Both were charged for FEDERAL statute crimes...they didn't go after them for state violations....or can you prove that the feds took over a state matter and charged them with state crimes?

charged in a federal racketeering conspiracy involving approximately $60 million paid to a 501(c)(4) entity to pass and uphold a billion-dollar nuclear plant bailout.

Yes-- the feds enforced federal law.
As they are doing in Portland.
What's the issue?

 

[VanceMack]

Sounds about right.

Philadelphia shootings surge in 2020 as 23 people shot in one day

Violence is increasing, more dead bodies in the street, and the ****ing idiot leftists are ****ting themselves over law enforcement.

****ing morons...the lot of them.

I agree that it is a mistake to send in federal troops...not because they arent needed...but because those ****holes that have been created by the rat party deserve to consume themselves like the cancer they have become. Law enforcement of ALL type should back away and let the democrats continue to **** themselves into oblivion.

 

[apdst]

um, if they are charged with a state crime, it very well may end well...Trump has no authority over state courts or state prosecutors...and he cannot pardon an agent for a state crime.

What state crime could they be charged with? :lamo

 

[Athanasius68]

It is pretty clear they did not read him his rights, nor was he free to go...and they did snatch him off the street for no crime at all...most of us call that kidnapping and false imprisonment.

Or being detained pursuant to an investigation. He asked for a lawyer and was released.

 

[ClaraD]

Yes-- the feds enforced federal law.
As they are doing in Portland.
What's the issue?

what federal law are they enforcing? Remember, there were no federal crimes committed by the person they snatched

Local Police CAN Arrest Federal Agents: It just happened in Salt Lake City | | Tenth Amendment Center

Byron McDonald, a lieutenant with the Bureau of Indian Affairs Justice Services, was arrested by Salt Lake City Police after he allegedly pointed a gun at an Uber driver Oct. 20. McDonald, who had been drinking with friends, became hostile to the driver once he dropped his friends off, according to KUTV. He allegedly pulled a gun on the driver, causing him to flee and call 911.

The following day, McDonald was taken into custody and charged with felony aggravated assault by Salt Lake City’s District Attorney, who stated that the Uber driver’s account was matched hotel security cameras which recorded the incident.

McDonald was able to get out on bail several days later.

The Department of the Interior, which oversees the Bureau of Indian Affairs, released a statement regarding the incident shortly after saying McDonald had been on official travel at the time of the incident.

Notice that nowhere did the DOT or McDonald claim he had some authority or privilege that prevented his arrest. The DOT did not say in their statement that the local police had no authority over federal police. In short, there is no controversy over whether or not local police have the authority to arrest federal police accused of violating state laws.


So, if an agent violates local law...they can be arrested...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You provide the readers with a fine example of why there is little rational conversation between Trumpies and the majority of Americans.

"Mostly peaceful literally means violent." English does not appear to be a language you are familiar with. OH, I thought of another reason you might post such an absurdity - you are color-blind and your world is only seen in black and white - Either/Or - with no capacity for accepting any words or actions which may indicate a range of possibiities.

Peaceful is the state of being tranquil and free from disturbance. By literal definition any disturbance means the definition of the adjective peaceful is not met and therefore it cannot be peaceful at all. A protest is either peaceful or it’s not. There is no “mostly” if it’s not 100 percent free of violence it’s not a peaceful protest.

 

[ClaraD]

Or being detained pursuant to an investigation. He asked for a lawyer and was released.

Because he was not read his rights and he wanted to know what agency was detaining him...they refused to provide the information...knew they were wrong and released him...if they had the right to detain him...and he was not free to go when they snatched him...he was considered under arrest...that arrest is a false arrest and a crime.

 

[ClaraD]

What state crime could they be charged with? :lamo

false imprisonment.

False Imprisonment in Washington | Karimi Law Office

False imprisonment is the unlawful confinement of a person without his or her valid consent.

RCW 9A.40.040: Unlawful imprisonment.

and assault

Chapter 9a.36 RCW: ASSAULT—PHYSICAL HARM

 

[eman623]

If they are snatching someone off the street, that is kidnapping....especially if they did not observe a crime by that person or have a warrant for said person. Kidnapping is a crime.

It's not kidnapping. They have the legal authority to arrest people who are suspected of, or are in the process of committing federal crimes. They do not need to get a warrant first. There are a raft of SCOTUS precedents.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

what federal law are they enforcing? Remember, there were no federal crimes committed by the person they snatched

Local Police CAN Arrest Federal Agents: It just happened in Salt Lake City | | Tenth Amendment Center

Byron McDonald, a lieutenant with the Bureau of Indian Affairs Justice Services, was arrested by Salt Lake City Police after he allegedly pointed a gun at an Uber driver Oct. 20. McDonald, who had been drinking with friends, became hostile to the driver once he dropped his friends off, according to KUTV. He allegedly pulled a gun on the driver, causing him to flee and call 911.

The following day, McDonald was taken into custody and charged with felony aggravated assault by Salt Lake City’s District Attorney, who stated that the Uber driver’s account was matched hotel security cameras which recorded the incident.

McDonald was able to get out on bail several days later.

The Department of the Interior, which oversees the Bureau of Indian Affairs, released a statement regarding the incident shortly after saying McDonald had been on official travel at the time of the incident.

Notice that nowhere did the DOT or McDonald claim he had some authority or privilege that prevented his arrest. The DOT did not say in their statement that the local police had no authority over federal police. In short, there is no controversy over whether or not local police have the authority to arrest federal police accused of violating state laws.


So, if an agent violates local law...they can be arrested...

He was not however, acting under official duties at the time of the arrest.

If a local police officers attempted to arrest a federal agent while performing officials duties that’s a crime. Specifically

Title 18 usc 111

(1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties; or
(2) forcibly assaults or intimidates any person who formerly served as a person designated in section 1114 on account of the performance of official duties during such person’s term of service,
shall, where the acts in violation of this section constitute only simple assault, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both, and where such acts involve physical contact with the victim of that assault or the intent to commit another felony, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
(b) Enhanced Penalty.—
Whoever, in the commission of any acts described in subsection (a), uses a deadly or dangerous weapon (including a weapon intended to cause death or danger but that fails to do so by reason of a defective component) or inflicts bodily injury, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

 

[Somerville]

Peaceful is the state of being tranquil and free from disturbance. By literal definition any disturbance means the definition of the adjective peaceful is not met and therefore it cannot be peaceful at all. A protest is either peaceful or it’s not. There is no “mostly” if it’s not 100 percent free of violence it’s not a peaceful protest.

Then it is your opinion that when law enforcement attacks and injures peaceful protesters, the protest is now the equivalent of a riot - no longer peaceful?

Navy veteran beaten by feds in Portland

18-year-old arrested for assault after taunting cop with a donut — but video shows he didn’t touch anyone

Peaceful Protester Holding Boombox Shot In The Face By Trump’s Federal Officers, Fracturing Skull

 

[EMNofSeattle]

false imprisonment.

False Imprisonment in Washington | Karimi Law Office

False imprisonment is the unlawful confinement of a person without his or her valid consent.

RCW 9A.40.040: Unlawful imprisonment.

and assault

Chapter 9a.36 RCW: ASSAULT—PHYSICAL HARM

Does not apply to federal officers enforcing federal law. In additional federal officials in the performance of federal duties are immune from prosecution in state courts Unless the federal government consents. Without that officials must bring the charges to federal court (28 USC 1442)

 

[GDViking]

Progress is scary to many people.

Yip when trains first came out there were people who believed that the human body could not move that fast without dieing...

They were conservatives...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Then it is your opinion that when law enforcement attacks and injures peaceful protesters, the protest is now the equivalent of a riot - no longer peaceful?

Navy veteran beaten by feds in Portland

He was pushed back from the police line after unlawfully approaching it

18-year-old arrested for assault after taunting cop with a donut — but video shows he didn’t touch anyone

yeah I’m not bothering with some BS video clip you took out of context. When the official investigation is done send me the report

Peaceful Protester Holding Boombox Shot In The Face By Trump’s Federal Officers, Fracturing Skull

They’re not “Trump’s federal officers” they’re OUR federal officers enforcing the laws OUR congress passed

 

[apdst]

false imprisonment.

False Imprisonment in Washington | Karimi Law Office

False imprisonment is the unlawful confinement of a person without his or her valid consent.

RCW 9A.40.040: Unlawful imprisonment.

and assault

Chapter 9a.36 RCW: ASSAULT—PHYSICAL HARM

Yeah! Good luck! :lamo

 

[Somerville]

He was pushed back from the police line after unlawfully approaching it

yeah I’m not bothering with some BS video clip you took out of context. When the official investigation is done send me the report



They’re not “Trump’s federal officers” they’re OUR federal officers enforcing the laws OUR congress passed

The fallback stance when you and others are shown to be wrong

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[j brown's body]

They are going there to assist the police. A lot of state laws have federal counterparts.

How will they assist police? Are they taking direction from them? are they accountable to them? What are they going to do?

 

[j brown's body]

He was pushed back from the police line after unlawfully approaching it

yeah I’m not bothering with some BS video clip you took out of context. When the official investigation is done send me the report



They’re not “Trump’s federal officers” they’re OUR federal officers enforcing the laws OUR congress passed

Their director is only accountable to Trump. He has never been confirmed by our senate.

Marie Yovanovitch was our ambassador. Trump forced her out because she didn't put loyalty to him first.

Wolf gets the picture. Do you?

 

[Luce]

It's not kidnapping. They have the legal authority to arrest people who are suspected of, or are in the process of committing federal crimes. They do not need to get a warrant first. There are a raft of SCOTUS precedents.

You are incorrect. They have the legal authority to arrest someone

1. Who they witness engaged in a crime.
2. Who they have direct knowledge was engaged in a crime, or
3. Who they have probable cause for believing was engaged in a crime.

Suspicion is not enough.

 

[eman623]

You are incorrect. They have the legal authority to arrest someone

1. Who they witness engaged in a crime.
2. Who they have direct knowledge was engaged in a crime, or
3. Who they have probable cause for believing was engaged in a crime.

Suspicion is not enough.

Thanks. I stand corrected. But my main point that an arrest by a legally empowered LEO is not a kidnapping remains.

 

[Luce]

Thanks. I stand corrected. But my main point that an arrest by a legally empowered LEO is not a kidnapping remains.

It is if it does not meet one of those requirements.

 

[ClaraD]

It's not kidnapping. They have the legal authority to arrest people who are suspected of, or are in the process of committing federal crimes. They do not need to get a warrant first. There are a raft of SCOTUS precedents.

Oh but it is kidnapping, because they did not have direct knowledge of a crime committed by that person who was snatched off the street...and they didn't observe him committing a crime...being a protester is not probable cause or any of those things.