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Greg Gianforte vs Rob Quist

Winston said:
If he "Is tired of questions" Maybe U.S. Congress is not the place for him. It should diminish his standing from a reasonable perspective. If he can't handle reporters as a candidate, he won't be able to handle them as a rep.
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If one skinny guy with a cellphone throws him into a rage, I'd enjoy watching how he handles marching the halls of congress surrounded on all sides by thrusting microphones and shouted questions every day of his term!
 
NIMBY said:
That's why republicans have 21 of 26 senators from the plains and mountains, along with 23 of 28 senators from the south, because of the DEM archipelago purity test .
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I'm not pushing a purity test. I'm saying offer them something different to vote for. If you act like a republican and you are not, then you should expect to lose to a republican.
 
Anagram said:
Manchin and Tester make it work. And on the other side people like Baker, Hogan, and Collins. Although they certainly lose sometimes being moderate definitely seems to help in dark red/blue states where you're on the other side. I don't see any unabashed liberals or conservatives in deep red or blue districts respectively right now.
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That's because the parties just forfeit and don't even try. And that's disgusting to me.
 
Winchester said:
I'd watch Yellowstone county, nothing has been updated since numbers went up so those are probably the mail-ins. Gianforte has to win by a big margin there or the more bluer counties such as Missoula will be more than enough to offset them.
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I don't think so. If Quist wins by the same amount Bullock did, which is generous considering he's been underperforming him significantly in the usually Democratic leaning early vote, I see at most a 15-18,000 vote margin from Missoula, Lewis and Clark, Silver Bow, and Gallatin. He's already down about 11,000. And there's likely a significant number of Gianforte leaning votes left in the rural areas that haven't reported anything yet and in Gianforte leaning areas like Yellowstone.

Unless the assault absolutely wiped out Gianforte on election day, it doesn't look like Quist can win.
 
DiAnna said:
If one skinny guy with a cellphone throws him into a rage, I'd enjoy watching how he handles marching the halls of congress surrounded on all sides by thrusting microphones and shouted questions every day of his term!
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And at the end of the day, we still don't have an answer on where he stands with healthcare. He's too chicken**** to stand by his beliefs!
 
poweRob said:
That's because the parties just forfeit and don't even try. And that's disgusting to me.
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Is it? I don't see much evidence of that. It doesn't happen frequently but even when more ideological candidates try to run in these places with tons of party support it doesn't work.

In this particular district for instance, Denise Juneau, a pretty liberal Democrat, got a ton of party support, broke a ton of fundraising records, and got crushed in the general.
 
Winston said:
And at the end of the day, we still don't have an answer on where he stands with healthcare. He's too chicken**** to stand by his beliefs!
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Yes we do...its "get the hell out of here"
 
Anagram said:
Is it? I don't see much evidence of that. It doesn't happen frequently but even when more ideological candidates try to run in these places with tons of party support it doesn't work.

In this particular district for instance, Denise Juneau, a pretty liberal Democrat, got a ton of party support, broke a ton of fundraising records, and got crushed in the general.
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Montana is a tough win for Democrats. However, some southern states are coming around, such as North Carolina.
 
Anagram said:
Is it? I don't see much evidence of that. It doesn't happen frequently but even when more ideological candidates try to run in these places with tons of party support it doesn't work.

In this particular district for instance, Denise Juneau, a pretty liberal Democrat, got a ton of party support, broke a ton of fundraising records, and got crushed in the general.
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At least the public actually had a choice instead of choosing between coke and pepsi. If policies are the same, people will go for their preferred letter... R or D.
 
Winston said:
Montana is a tough win for Democrats. However, some southern states are coming around, such as North Carolina.
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No doubt. That's different though. Demographics are changing North Carolina so it isn't as Republican as it used to be. It's not Democrats winning in a still very Republican area like politicians like Heitkamp, Manchin, or Tester have to do.
 
poweRob said:
At least the public actually had a choice instead of choosing between coke and pepsi. If policies are the same, people will go for their preferred letter... R or D.
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Heitkamp might be more conservative than most Democrats but her politics are nowhere near the same as the Republicans who run there. Not even Manchin is close to a typical Republican. And it's the same on the other side. Collins is by far the most liberal Republican in the Senate, but she is still significantly to the right of Manchin.
 
Winston said:
Montana is a tough win for Democrats. However, some southern states are coming around, such as North Carolina.
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The only way you side can win is through immigration. If North Carolina still had the same demographics that it used to have your side would still be in the same place it was. I enjoy how liberals want the country to be hijacked by foreigners so they can win elections.
 
Winston said:
Montana is a tough win for Democrats. However, some southern states are coming around, such as North Carolina.
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I wouldn't count north carolina, while they voted for a democrat governor, they lost their democrat senator to an even more radical conservative and regardless of the gerrymandering issues, it's likely they will continue to dominate the legislature.
 
Anagram said:
No doubt. That's different though. Demographics are changing North Carolina so it isn't as Republican as it used to be. It's not Democrats winning in a still very Republican area like politicians like Heitkamp, Manchin, or Tester have to do.
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True. If Dems get painted as bad on the 2nd Am., or even, nowadays, bad on immigration, it's doomsday in deep red districts/states.

However, I think there's a difference between running as a Blue Dog Dem.. and being a total corporate sellout, waterboy for the insurance industry and oil and gas. Which is what plenty of Dems have in common with GOPs. What poweRob is saying, in my mind, is that Dems shouldn't lose sight of what they believe in, just to appease a Red state.

I'd like to make one more point. Millenials are changing demographics as well. As the older generation checks out, boomers age, and gen X'ers and millenials start making up the main working class of America, our politics is going to change. The problem is, millenials don't support Republicans or Democrats. And if you give them Joe Manchins to vote for, they just won't vote.
 
Winchester said:
I'd watch Yellowstone county, nothing has been updated since numbers went up so those are probably the mail-ins. Gianforte has to win by a big margin there or the more bluer counties such as Missoula will be more than enough to offset them.
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Gianforte is 19 points ahead of his governor's pace in Yellowstone county, though Quist cut into Gianforte's Flathead performance. They're talking Silver Bow as Quist's last stand. I did read that Browning had a late, long line and won't be done counting until midnight your time
 
Henrin said:
The only way you side can win is through immigration. If North Carolina still had the same demographics that it used to have your side would still be in the same place it was. I enjoy how liberals want the country to be hijacked by foreigners so they can win elections.
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umm... foreigners can't vote in the elections. Try again because your xenophobia just failed you badly.
 
Winston said:
True. If Dems get painted as bad on the 2nd Am., or even, nowadays, bad on immigration, it's doomsday in deep red districts/states.

However, I think there's a difference between running as a Blue Dog Dem.. and being a total corporate sellout, waterboy for the insurance industry and oil and gas. Which is what plenty of Dems have in common with GOPs. What poweRob is saying, in my mind, is that Dems shouldn't lose sight of what they believe in, just to appease a Red state.

I'd like to make one more point. Millenials are changing demographics as well. As the older generation checks out, boomers age, and gen X'ers and millenials start making up the main working class of America, our politics is going to change. The problem is, millenials don't support Republicans or Democrats. And if you give them Joe Manchins to vote for, they just won't vote.
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I'm sure that as things change the types of candidates both parties run will change. They'll adapt to what has a chance of winning. Right now Manchinesque candidates have a better chance of winning in West Virginia like places. Democrats take that because the alternative is a guy like John Raese. If it ever comes to pass that Manchins don't win anymore, they won't run them.
 
NIMBY said:
Gianforte is 19 points ahead of his governor's pace in Yellowstone county, though Quist cut into Gianforte's Flathead performance. They're talking Silver Bow as Quist's last stand. I did read that Browning had a late, long line and won't be done counting until midnight your time
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He'll make up a bit of ground in Silver Bow, Browning goes Democrat normally and IIRC is about 30 miles west of Cut Bank so it should go overwhelmingly for Quist, but from what I'm seeing Quist is toast.
 
Winston said:
True. If Dems get painted as bad on the 2nd Am., or even, nowadays, bad on immigration, it's doomsday in deep red districts/states.

However, I think there's a difference between running as a Blue Dog Dem.. and being a total corporate sellout, waterboy for the insurance industry and oil and gas. Which is what plenty of Dems have in common with GOPs. What poweRob is saying, in my mind, is that Dems shouldn't lose sight of what they believe in, just to appease a Red state.

I'd like to make one more point. Millenials are changing demographics as well. As the older generation checks out, boomers age, and gen X'ers and millenials start making up the main working class of America, our politics is going to change. The problem is, millenials don't support Republicans or Democrats. And if you give them Joe Manchins to vote for, they just won't vote.
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Your whole ****ing plan is to use immigration to win elections. Why even hide your parties and ideologies goals at this point? The right figured it out many years ago and you people are still bull****ting on it. We know what you're up too, so why hide it?
 
Winchester said:
He'll make up a bit of ground in Silver Bow, Browning goes Democrat normally and IIRC is about 30 miles west of Cut Bank so it should go overwhelmingly for Quist, but from what I'm seeing Quist is toast.
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Yeah... I don't see a path for quist to win.
 
lol, my county finally posted some numbers 69.3% for Gianforte.
 
Henrin said:
Your whole ****ing plan is to use immigration to win elections. Why even hide your parties and ideologies goals at this point? The right figured it out many years ago and you people are still bull****ting on it. We know what you're up too, so why hide it?
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?????
 
Winston said:
?????
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What is there to not understand? Liberals support immigration because they know they can get most of the votes from it. Why would the democratic party have it's position on immigration and not the one it had back in the 1990's? Maybe because they figured out they can use immigration to boost their voting tallies. You guys are not even slightly smooth with the crap you pull.
 
poweRob said:
umm... foreigners can't vote in the elections. Try again because your xenophobia just failed you badly.
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Foreigner =/= noncitizen. Every citizen can vote including green card holders. Either your vocabulary or irrationality just failed you badly.
 
poweRob said:
umm... foreigners can't vote in the elections. Try again because your xenophobia just failed you badly.
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Labeling me a phobia will get you no where.
 
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