It's getting harder for criminals to commit election fraud...

[MamboDervish]

Those 60 cases you keep talking about do not affect the 2024 election.

Other than the fact that they illustrate that the election wasn't stolen - which should, and does, have an affect on the 2024 election.

 

[SCrider]

Stuffing a drop box with illegal ballots and then counting them does make a person a criminal.

Yes, that would. Good thing it has not happened.

 

[Michael Cole]

Stuffing a drop box with illegal ballots and then counting them does make a person a criminal.

What illegal ballots? Illegally submitted ballots or the ballots themselves? What on earth are you talking about?

 

[LouC]

...at least, in Pennsylvania.



Of course, the criminals aren't beaten yet. They still have other election fraud tactics they can use, such as stuffing drop boxes with thousands of bogus ballots. But this ruling demands that they handwrite a valid date on every single one of them.

What pure partisan lunacy.

Lord knows this decision needs to be appealed all the way up.

This decision will not deter supposed "criminals" from supposedly committing Election Fraud.

What it will do is disenfranchise Every legitimate Elector from having their legitimate Ballot counted because of a missing date mistake they might make.

 

[Michael Cole]

Another requirement is that the date be handwritten on the envelope. No stamped impressions.

That should eliminate tons of fraud. Everyone knows these are fraudulent devices...

 

[Luckyone]

...at least, in Pennsylvania.



Of course, the criminals aren't beaten yet. They still have other election fraud tactics they can use, such as stuffing drop boxes with thousands of bogus ballots. But this ruling demands that they handwrite a valid date on every single one of them.

• There have been 291 convictions across 36 states for voter fraud in all US elections between 2016 and 2020.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

It's the counting part that matters, and that's where you want to come in. As long as they sign it, it should count. Criminal cons always looking for nefarious ways to stop their losing. This does sound like a push from those radical con lunatics who wanted illegal alternative electors in PA in 2020 based on their despicable lies.
Having said all that, the instructions are clear, MAKE SURE YOU SIGN AND DATE YOUR MAIL-IN BALLOT IN PA!

Even if they sign it AFTER the polls close? Should it still be counted?

If there's no date, nobody has any idea when it was signed.


This has nothing to do with winning or losing. It's about following the law.


Exactly.

You mean the LAW? Like the LAW that says you don't lie to the FBI? Like the LAW that says you turnover materials and documents included in a subpoena? Like the LAW that says you safeguard classified materials properly? Are those the LAW we are talking about? Or do you think we ought to ignore that LAW?

 

[LouC]

It's getting harder for criminals to commit election fraud......at least, in Pennsylvania.​

This effort and this ruling has absolutely nothing to do with Election Integrity, Election Security, or preventing Election Fraud.

This is all geared, the way all Republican legislation is and court actions in the States are, towards disenfranchising as many Independents and Democrats as possible.

In the 2022 general election, officials rejected more than 10,000 ballots because the voter did not handwrite a correct date on the return envelope, according to Pennsylvania's secretary of the commonwealth. Many of those voters are elderly, including a group of them who joined this lawsuit.

In recent elections, higher shares of Democrats have used mail voting than Republicans, according to the MIT Election Data and Science Lab.

Pennsylvania officials recently redesigned the outer envelopes for the mail-in ballots to try to remind voters to write the current date under their signatures.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/27/1233743082/pennsylvania-undated-ballots-ruling

A signature I can understand, for to match it with a Registration, but rejecting an unopened Ballot Return Envelope simply because it is missing a date or has an incorrect date it just the most insane notion I can think of!

Seriously? What is that date requirement going to prove? It proves nothing. The Election Authority already knows the dates when Absentee Ballots are mailed out, they already track when Absentee Ballots are returned, they know when the Election is, they know what date and time Absentee Ballots must be returned by.

Of what possible use is the Elector dating a Ballot Return Envelope?

If the signature matches, the ballot matches the election, what need is there for a date?

 

[slick]

There is zero (0) evidence that fraudulent votes played any part in any national election. No evidence whatsoever. None, zip, zero, zilch, nada.

Voter fraud is always most prevelent in cities where Democrats accumulate their astonishing pluralities & gain their electoral votes majorities!

Not many places in the country where a Republican Senate candidate can't get half the votes of the Green, methinks.

BTW, East St. Louis, Illinois, precinct committeemen Charles Powell, Sheila Thomas, Jesse Lewis, and Kelvin Ellis, as well as precinct worker Yvette Johnson, were convicted of conspiracy to commit election fraud after participating in vote buying activities. Including submitting budgets that would allow city funds to be used to pay voters to vote for Democrat candidates.

East St. Louis is a city at rock bottom, a partly inhabited ghost town whose factories and theaters and hotels and auto dealerships and gas stations and half its schools are mostly burned-out shells. In 2013, the per capita homicide rate in East St. Louis was about 18 times the national average and had the highest homicide rate of any city in the United States. The city was 97.7% black at the 2000 Census. It's a very sad place, probably worse than Detroit and Gary in terms of the urban decay.
even the 3rd world immigrants avoid East Saint Louis.

2008 election results
Obama 13,846 votes (99.23%)
McCain 83 votes (0.60%)
Others 23 votes (0.17%)

Also, neat Senate results:
Durbin (D) 95.59%
Cummings (Green) 2.43%
Sauerberg (R) 1.08%

If national voter ID laws were passed, the democrats would never win the presidency again and they know it. Their only real election strategy is massive voter fraud & importing more illegal voters.

 

[Fester]

Democrats can't win without cheating.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I do agree that ballots should have to be dated, but wasn't that true all along?

OTOH, those Pubs who tried to vote for their mothers can't cheat this time, but then again, they were caught last time.

And the undated ballots weren't counted last time either, AFAIK. Does anyone have confirmation of this?

 

[LouC]

Voter fraud is always most prevelent in cities where Democrats accumulate their astonishing pluralities & gain their electoral votes majorities!

Prove it.

Not many places in the country where a Republican Senate candidate can't get half the votes of the Green, methinks.

BTW, East St. Louis, Illinois, precinct committeemen Charles Powell, Sheila Thomas, Jesse Lewis, and Kelvin Ellis, as well as precinct worker Yvette Johnson, were convicted of conspiracy to commit election fraud after participating in vote buying activities. Including submitting budgets that would allow city funds to be used to pay voters to vote for Democrat candidates.

East St. Louis is a city at rock bottom, a partly inhabited ghost town whose factories and theaters and hotels and auto dealerships and gas stations and half its schools are mostly burned-out shells. In 2013, the per capita homicide rate in East St. Louis was about 18 times the national average and had the highest homicide rate of any city in the United States. The city was 97.7% black at the 2000 Census. It's a very sad place, probably worse than Detroit and Gary in terms of the urban decay.
even the 3rd world immigrants avoid East Saint Louis.

2008 election results
Obama 13,846 votes (99.23%)
McCain 83 votes (0.60%)
Others 23 votes (0.17%)

Also, neat Senate results:
Durbin (D) 95.59%
Cummings (Green) 2.43%
Sauerberg (R) 1.08%

 

[Mycroft]

Other than the fact that they illustrate that the election wasn't stolen -

They don't.

which should, and does, have an affect on the 2024 election.

It doesn't.

What has an effect on the 2024 election is the stuff that has come after 2020...like this PA ruling.

 

[element94]

It's getting harder for criminals to commit election fraud......at least, in Pennsylvania.​

This effort and this ruling has absolutely nothing to do with Election Integrity, Election Security, or preventing Election Fraud.

This is all geared, the way all Republican legislation is and court actions in the States are, towards disenfranchising as many Independents and Democrats as possible.


A signature I can understand, for to match it with a Registration, but rejecting an unopened Ballot Return Envelope simply because it is missing a date or has an incorrect date it just the most insane notion I can think of!

Seriously? What is that date requirement going to prove? It proves nothing. The Election Authority already knows the dates when Absentee Ballots are mailed out, they already track when Absentee Ballots are returned, they know when the Election is, they know what date and time Absentee Ballots must be returned by.

Of what possible use is the Elector dating a Ballot Return Envelope?

If the signature matches, the ballot matches the election, what need is there for a date?

And it's so obvious, isn't it? They would probably try to insist that mail-in voters in PA must fill out their ballots in the Vai script of Liberia if it would help Trump win.

 

[Mycroft]

What illegal ballots? Illegally submitted ballots or the ballots themselves? What on earth are you talking about?

The fact is, ballots that don't have a legal date won't be counted in PA.

 

[slick]

Not that I even voted in 2012 but anyone who thinks nothing shady goes on in
some precincts has there head in the sand. In 2012 in 59 Philadelphia voting divisions Romney
received 0 votes. Most big cities are 90% democrat but in those 59 precincts there was not one contrarian voter where unofficial vote tallies have President Obama outscoring Romney by a combined 19,605 to 0?

Some who cast a ballot in these precincts may not be able to even read so it mind boggling that
no one pressed the wrong button by mistake not even one, come on!
"Not a single vote for Romney or even an error? That's worth looking into," Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia said.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

The fact is, ballots that don't have a legal date won't be counted in PA.

That makes sense.

But who would try to commit election fraud simply by not writing the date?

That doesn't make sense. Why not just write the date?

I'm not quite getting you?

 

[element94]

Voter fraud is always most prevelent in cities where Democrats accumulate their astonishing pluralities & gain their electoral votes majorities!

Not many places in the country where a Republican Senate candidate can't get half the votes of the Green, methinks.

BTW, East St. Louis, Illinois, precinct committeemen Charles Powell, Sheila Thomas, Jesse Lewis, and Kelvin Ellis, as well as precinct worker Yvette Johnson, were convicted of conspiracy to commit election fraud after participating in vote buying activities. Including submitting budgets that would allow city funds to be used to pay voters to vote for Democrat candidates.

East St. Louis is a city at rock bottom, a partly inhabited ghost town whose factories and theaters and hotels and auto dealerships and gas stations and half its schools are mostly burned-out shells. In 2013, the per capita homicide rate in East St. Louis was about 18 times the national average and had the highest homicide rate of any city in the United States. The city was 97.7% black at the 2000 Census. It's a very sad place, probably worse than Detroit and Gary in terms of the urban decay.
even the 3rd world immigrants avoid East Saint Louis.

2008 election results
Obama 13,846 votes (99.23%)
McCain 83 votes (0.60%)
Others 23 votes (0.17%)

Also, neat Senate results:
Durbin (D) 95.59%
Cummings (Green) 2.43%
Sauerberg (R) 1.08%

If national voter ID laws were passed, the democrats would never win the presidency again and they know it. Their only real election strategy is massive voter fraud & importing more illegal voters.

If only you could prove it.

 

[Mycroft]

What pure partisan lunacy.

shrug...

You are welcome to your opinion.

Lord knows this decision needs to be appealed all the way up.

No doubt it will.

This decision will not deter supposed "criminals" from supposedly committing Election Fraud.

I said as much...but it will make it harder to do so.

What it will do is disenfranchise Every legitimate Elector from having their legitimate Ballot counted because of a missing date mistake they might make.

Elector???

We aren't talking about Electors. We are talking about voters and this ruling won't disenfranchise any voter.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

...at least, in Pennsylvania.



Of course, the criminals aren't beaten yet. They still have other election fraud tactics they can use, such as stuffing drop boxes with thousands of bogus ballots. But this ruling demands that they handwrite a valid date on every single one of them.

Unconditionally supports Traitor Trump and continues to push the “Big Lie” despite there being zero evidence.

Dismissed.

 

[Mycroft]

You mean the LAW?

Yes. The law that is referenced in the court's ruling.

Like the LAW that says you don't lie to the FBI? Like the LAW that says you turnover materials and documents included in a subpoena? Like the LAW that says you safeguard classified materials properly? Are those the LAW we are talking about? Or do you think we ought to ignore that LAW?

No. The court doesn't reference any such laws.

 

[slick]

If only you could prove it.

E. St. Louis Illinois
High school graduation rate 56%

Voting in 2016 election
Clinton: 10,025.
Trump: 149

IMO of the 149 who voted for Trump about half of them were paid to vote for Mrs. Clinton but accidentally
managed to press the wrong lever

 

[LouC]

I do agree that ballots should have to be dated, but wasn't that true all along?

Why?
When you vote in person in the Polling place are you given a test, on what date it is, that you must pass before you are issued a Ballot?

OTOH, those Pubs who tried to vote for their mothers can't cheat this time, but then again, they were caught last time.

Not all were Republicans that were caught doing that, but via all the reporting the majority were.

And the undated ballots weren't counted last time either, AFAIK.

Really stupid, frankly, this needs to be addressed as the Highest Court.
Dates are found on the Ballot Return Envelope, which is discarded and is only used for Signature verification.
Dates on those envelopes are not tallied, not counted, not kept, and not used to identify the Elector.

Does anyone have confirmation of this?

Yes. According to new reports approximately 10k ballots in 2022 were rejected because of date issues ON THE OUTER ENVELOPE THAT GETS DISCARDED.

 

[LouC]

And it's so obvious, isn't it? They would probably try to insist that mail-in voters in PA must fill out their ballots in the Vai script of Liberia if it would help Trump win.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The last election proved that corrupt leftist judges can just allow the rat election authorities to subvert existing state laws. Nothing will change.

Really stupid and wrong claim.

Many of the judges that rejected Traitor Trump’s election fraud lies were appointed by the fat orange turd.