Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?[W:11]

[Ikari]

Hi All

I've been following American politics for about 10 years now and I have gradually been watching them become less welcoming towards Black/Hispanic and other minorities.

It's obvious at this point that they are mostly aiming for the support of just one (and still very large) demographic, which is the white/white male vote.

Fortunately for them, some minorities are so small they don't have to worry if they never vote of them, but what about the black and Hispanic vote?

I believe that soon the GOP will no longer be able to afford to continue to ignore these demographics, and if they do, they will cease to be a party which can compete in General Elections, and as cycles go by less significant (by percentage who vote) elections.

This is because as other demographics are growing at a faster rates, the White share of the vote is decreasing. As a result, by 2050 the White population will no longer be the majority of the US.

How can the party continue with their current sentiments towards blacks (currently 14% of pop) and Hispanics (17% of pop) when combined they'll make a greater share of the population?

Are they committing political suicide by continuing in this direction?

I've made a video which in part address this, you can find here



As usual, I'd like to here your thought.

DDAdvocator

No it's not. Unless we start voting third party, which America does not like doing, we'll never get rid of either side of the Republocrat Party.

 

[clownboy]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I've seen a couple of comments mentioning that the Republican Party (and American conservatism in general) is not racist...with the intimation that just a few bad apples exist in the Republican/conservative group.

C'mon!

I will agree wholeheartedly that not every Republican and not every American conservative is an avowed racist...

...but EVERY avowed racist I personally know...or personally know about...appears to be a Republican and an American conservative.

And that says a lot more about the Republican Party and American conservatism...than the fact that not all are.

I've known quite a few democrats over the course of my lifetime. Then as now, I know just as many racists (and I mean classic hate the skin color racist) who are confirmed dems as confirmed repubs. Have you never met any longshoremen?

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I've seen a couple of comments mentioning that the Republican Party (and American conservatism in general) is not racist...with the intimation that just a few bad apples exist in the Republican/conservative group.

C'mon!

I will agree wholeheartedly that not every Republican and not every American conservative is an avowed racist...

...but EVERY avowed racist I personally know...or personally know about...appears to be a Republican and an American conservative.

And that says a lot more about the Republican Party and American conservatism...than the fact that not all are.

You need to expand your horizons.

1. [h=3]25 Examples of Liberal Racism in Quotes - John Hawkins ...[/h]townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/...racism.../full
   
   
   
   
   

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Mar 26, 2013 - Left-wing journalist Jonathan Valania. 17) "(Joseph Lowery) said that when he was a young militant, he used to say all white folks were going to ...

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I've known quite a few democrats over the course of my lifetime. Then as now, I know just as many racists (and I mean classic hate the skin color racist) who are confirmed dems as confirmed repubs.

I seriously doubt that.

Have you never met any longshoremen?

Don't know that I have.

 

[DDA]

It's not a matter of Cold War dogma. Socialists were getting stomped in national elections long before the Cold War. (See: Norman Thomas.)

That's true, self professed socialists would never have been elected in the US, but the many on the left and right live policies which would be considered socialist, namely medicare and medicade. But still my point stands people are getting beyond the socialist hating. Don't you agree?

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

You need to expand your horizons.

1. [h=3]25 Examples of Liberal Racism in Quotes - John Hawkins ...[/h]townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/...racism.../full
   
   
   
   
   

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Mar 26, 2013 - Left-wing journalist Jonathan Valania. 17) "(Joseph Lowery) said that when he was a young militant, he used to say all white folks were going to ...

Gimme a break!

The conservative ranks are replete with avowed racists...and there is a reason why the political demographics of the American south are what they are.

But kid yourself if makes you feel better. I'll stick with reality.

 

[Jack Hays]

That's true, self professed socialists would never have been elected in the US, but the many on the left and right live policies which would be considered socialist, namely medicare and medicade. But still my point stands people are getting beyond the socialist hating. Don't you agree?

It's not a matter of socialist "hating." It's a matter of socialist political non-viability. If Sanders is at the top of the ticket the Dems will suffer a defeat of historic proportions.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

Gimme a break!

The conservative ranks are replete with avowed racists...and there is a reason why the political demographics of the American south are what they are.

But kid yourself if makes you feel better. I'll stick with reality.

That's not the point under discussion. Your claim in #121 is: ". . . but EVERY avowed racist I personally know...or personally know about...appears to be a Republican and an American conservative."

I have shown that to be false.

 

[clownboy]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I seriously doubt that.

Of course you do, it's called position blindness. You're blind to anything that doesn't fit your worldview. We all have it to an extent. It's just a matter of awareness.

Don't know that I have.

Well, I have. Quite a few of them. Worked with them. Very much union and demo party centered. Still using the N word on a daily basis, and meaning it.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

You need to expand your horizons.

1. [h=3]25 Examples of Liberal Racism in Quotes - John Hawkins ...[/h]townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/...racism.../full
   

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Mar 26, 2013 - Left-wing journalist Jonathan Valania. 17) "(Joseph Lowery) said that when he was a young militant, he used to say all white folks were going to ...

*sigh*

Jack, one of the biggest misconceptions that people have is, "We do this wrong thing, so those other people must be doing the same wrong thing, too!"

Nobody on DP - and nobody I can think of in real life - has had quite the journey I have concerning racism. And I won't bore you with repeating the details. But I do know this - a multiracial/multiethnic group is a heck of a lot less likely to commit egregious acts of racism than is a largely monochromatic group. You can try to deny that all you want, but the more people are exposed to people who look/act/speak differently for themselves, generally speaking, the less prejudiced they'll be towards those who are different...and it's so doggone obvious with the conservatives - most of whom hail from small towns or out in the boonies (and thus have little or no real daily interaction with those who are different), whereas in the big city it's doggone near impossible to not deal with those who are different, every single day.

Does this mean that NO liberals are racist? Of course not. But it does mean that having had much more exposure on a daily basis to those who are very different from themselves, they're simply significantly less likely to be racist.

You can argue against that point all you want - and I'm sure you will - but I am right.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

*sigh*

Jack, one of the biggest misconceptions that people have is, "We do this wrong thing, so those other people must be doing the same wrong thing, too!"

Nobody on DP - and nobody I can think of in real life - has had quite the journey I have concerning racism. And I won't bore you with repeating the details. But I do know this - a multiracial/multiethnic group is a heck of a lot less likely to commit egregious acts of racism than is a largely monochromatic group. You can try to deny that all you want, but the more people are exposed to people who look/act/speak differently for themselves, generally speaking, the less prejudiced they'll be towards those who are different...and it's so doggone obvious with the conservatives - most of whom hail from small towns or out in the boonies (and thus have little or no real daily interaction with those who are different), whereas in the big city it's doggone near impossible to not deal with those who are different, every single day.

Does this mean that NO liberals are racist? Of course not. But it does mean that having had much more exposure on a daily basis to those who are very different from themselves, they're simply significantly less likely to be racist.

You can argue against that point all you want - and I'm sure you will - but I am right.

You could have saved yourself some heartburn had you noted the actual issue I was addressing. My interlocutor claimed that EVERY racist is a Repub or a conservative. My very modest aim was to demonstrate that his claim was false.

I'm not interested in a discussion of the sociology of racism. I don't find rural people any more (or less) racist than urban people.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

You could have saved yourself some heartburn had you noted the actual issue I was addressing. My interlocutor claimed that EVERY racist is a Repub or a conservative. My very modest aim was to demonstrate that his claim was false.

I'm not interested in a discussion of the sociology of racism. I don't find rural people any more (or less) racist than urban people.

Here's what he actually said: "I will agree wholeheartedly that not every Republican and not every American conservative is an avowed racist...

...but EVERY avowed racist I personally know...or personally know about...appears to be a Republican and an American conservative."

Seems what he said doesn't quite match up with what you said he said.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

Here's what he actually said: "I will agree wholeheartedly that not every Republican and not every American conservative is an avowed racist...

...but EVERY avowed racist I personally know...or personally know about...appears to be a Republican and an American conservative."

Seems what he said doesn't quite match up with what you said he said.

Close enough for me to demonstrate his claim was false.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

Close enough for me to demonstrate his claim was false.

How do you know that every racist he personally knows is not a Republican or a conservative?

Don't get me wrong - as I've said many times, most of my friends are strongly conservative (which comes with being a member of what most would consider a fundamentalist Church)...and I know better than to even think that way...

...but that's here in western Washington.

However, if the guy were, say, down in the Mississippi Delta, his claim concerning all the racists he personally knows would almost certainly be completely accurate. I know this because every white I knew down there (including my own family) was conservative, and every white (also including my own family) was certainly racist at least to some extent. Well-meaning, good-hearted, hard-working...and still racist at least to some extent. The key factor being that very few of them actually recognized their racism for what it was, and would have vehemently and sincerely denied any such trait. And then later they'd be telling you n-word jokes. That's just how it is down there.

So...no, you don't know for a fact that he's lying or making wild assumptions. You do know that his claim is pretty unlikely...but as I just demonstrated, that doesn't mean that it's false.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

How do you know that every racist he personally knows is not a Republican or a conservative?

Don't get me wrong - as I've said many times, most of my friends are strongly conservative (which comes with being a member of what most would consider a fundamentalist Church)...and I know better than to even think that way...

...but that's here in western Washington.

However, if the guy were, say, down in the Mississippi Delta, his claim concerning all the racists he personally knows would almost certainly be completely accurate. I know this because every white I knew down there (including my own family) was conservative, and every white (also including my own family) was certainly racist at least to some extent. Well-meaning, good-hearted, hard-working...and still racist at least to some extent. The key factor being that very few of them actually recognized their racism for what it was, and would have vehemently and sincerely denied any such trait. And then later they'd be telling you n-word jokes. That's just how it is down there.

So...no, you don't know for a fact that he's lying or making wild assumptions. You do know that his claim is pretty unlikely...but as I just demonstrated, that doesn't mean that it's false.

I don't care. And I don't understand why you do. He made a claim. It was false. End of story.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I don't care. And I don't understand why you do. He made a claim. It was false. End of story.

I care because accuracy is important to me. I don't want to ever assume someone's lying unless I can prove it...and that's why I call out people who do make such assumptions.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I care because accuracy is important to me. I don't want to ever assume someone's lying unless I can prove it...and that's why I call out people who do make such assumptions.

I did not say he was lying. I said his statement was false.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I did not say he was lying. I said his statement was false.

Doggone it! Now I've gotta go eat crow. Again. Because somewhere along the way I thought you said he was lying, and I was flat wrong, and then I'm giving you grief about being accurate!

I hate those feathers. Pass the potassium chloride, please - I'm on a low-salt diet, but I just gotta cover up the taste of crow. Ugh!

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

That's not the point under discussion. Your claim in #121 is: ". . . but EVERY avowed racist I personally know...or personally know about...appears to be a Republican and an American conservative."

I have shown that to be false.

No you haven't.

Name one AVOWED RACIST that doesn't appear to be a Republican or an American conservative.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

You could have saved yourself some heartburn had you noted the actual issue I was addressing. My interlocutor claimed that EVERY racist is a Repub or a conservative. My very modest aim was to demonstrate that his claim was false.

I'm not interested in a discussion of the sociology of racism. I don't find rural people any more (or less) racist than urban people.

I did not say that.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

Here's what he actually said: "I will agree wholeheartedly that not every Republican and not every American conservative is an avowed racist...

...but EVERY avowed racist I personally know...or personally know about...appears to be a Republican and an American conservative."

Seems what he said doesn't quite match up with what you said he said.

Thank you, Glen. I am taking these in order...and you are correct. I did not say that.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

Close enough for me to demonstrate his claim was false.

You did not demonstrate my claim to be false. What you did was to change my claim...so you could pretend to have demonstrated it to be false.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I don't care. And I don't understand why you do. He made a claim. It was false. End of story.

You want to claim it is false...and you are asserting it is false.

It is not.

End of story.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

You did not demonstrate my claim to be false. What you did was to change my claim...so you could pretend to have demonstrated it to be false.

You want to claim it is false...and you are asserting it is false.

It is not.

End of story.

I showed you racists who are neither Repubs nor conservatives, some of whom you have surely heard of. QED.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: Is the GOP Commiting Political Suicide?

I showed you racists who are neither Repubs nor conservatives, some of whom you have surely heard of. QED.

Once again...you are changing what I said in order to pretend that you are winning what you are pretending to be some sort of contest, Jack.

Now go back and read the words that I actually wrote...and use them rather than your characterization (the characterization you are using to pretend that you have shown my assertion to be false.)