Woman on Woman Body Shaming

[Serenity]

Lexi and her little baby look beautiful and happy.

I guess i just find it weird to be annoyed about what some random said 12 months ago to another female at the pool. Is that a regular occurrence there or something?

I mean heck, I live in Australia, two minutes from the beach, spend a lot of time there, magnificent weather for the majority of the time and I've never once witnessed such an incident or heard of someone who has been told to cover up because men would feel more comfortable. Say that here and I'd laugh and think you're a silly bugger and just move on. I don't need to answer to anyone in regards to what I'm wearing and I can't be bothered with creating drama over one thing someone may say.

Just nuts that this is turning into a men v women debate. Beyond ridiculous actually.

 

[Josie]

Facts. But what is being alleged is that women are horrible to each other. So... I would say I make a better test subject than he does for that theory, dontcha think?

It's not really alleged --- we see it everywhere. Some women are vicious to each other.

 

[Josie]

Yes to all of those reasons. But feminism isn't the ideology that promotes looking at social interaction as some sort of power struggle. That's patriarchy.

No, there is no chance it is a female thing. Because there is no evidence that only women do it, only to other women. So when everyone all tends to do the exact same thing in the exact same way to the exact same people for the exact same reasons, then no, it's not "a female thing."

Female-on-female body shaming is exactly the same as male-on-female body shaming. It is a form of policing and breaking down self-esteem mandated by a system that believes women don't belong to themselves, and that being horrible to women is ok, because women are horrible anyway.

The fact that you believe women are just bitches by "evolution" just shows how embedded you are in that same belief system, and how you reinforce that it's therefore ok to talk **** about how horrible "women" are to whoever's around you.

I think women are horrible to other women because they're horrible people, not because the "patriarchy" taught them to be that way. Do you honestly believe these women are just idiots who have been brainwashed by men and have no capability to think on their own or make their own choices?

 

[Harshaw]

I know you're usually a supporter of feminism and I'm not attacking you for it.
That stuff is why a lot of men oppose it.

Patriarchy theory is the near equivalent of the various grand Jewish conspiracies, (protocols of the elders of Zion style).
It's nutty as hell and even nuttier that it's mainstream to believe.

Yeah, the "patriarchy" stuff really belongs in CT.

 

[KevinKohler]

Unfortunately women can be very cruel to other women. I was bullied a lot throughout middle school and high school and even now in college there is still the occasional passive aggressive jab here and there, but not nearly as bad as grade school. My freshman year of college was almost like an extension of high school with the bullying, which was a disheartening way of hoping to start a new chapter in my life, but it's much better now thankfully. And now if someone wants to make fun of me or belittle me or make a passive aggressive jab at my appearance or clothes or interests then that's ok, I'm proud to be me.

As I like to say, **** em.

 

[KevinKohler]

Women aren't all mean to other women. Some are, and the way in which they do it is vicious. But not because they're women, it's because ****ty human beings. And that's life. There are ****ty human beings with penises, and ****ty human beings with vaginas.


End thread?

 

[SDET]

It also goes the other way with younger women shaming older women too.

'Playboy' Model Sentenced Over Body-Shaming Woman At Gym : The Two-Way : NPR

This stuff doesn't even compute with me. Criticizing someone else's body doesn't even cross my mind. It's kind of fun to pay a compliment when you can get away with it, for example if you're in Mexico you can look at the cleaning girl and say "Tu tienes un trasero lindo" and the only reply you get is "Gracias".

 

[Henrin]

I know you're usually a supporter of feminism and I'm not attacking you for it.
That stuff is why a lot of men oppose it.

Patriarchy theory is the near equivalent of the various grand Jewish conspiracies, (protocols of the elders of Zion style).
It's nutty as hell and even nuttier that it's mainstream to believe.

Always be sure to reevaluate your conclusion if it seems like a feminist isn't blaming the patriarchy.

It's like when I was listening to this feminist bitch about PETA objectifying women because they had women out in the streets in bikinis giving people stuff. That was apparently all the patriarchies fault even if feminists actually fought so they could run around half naked in the streets and feminists are STILL fighting so women can run around topless. Yup, the patriarchy is at fault for what PETA is doing, not feminists that enabled the dumb ass ****. Oh and lets not forget that patriarchy wants women all covered up too. So basically, the patriarchy won't let women run around nearly naked and it wants women to run nearly naked. Gee, I guess the patriarchy is a very confused system.

 

[_Sal]

That analysis is akin to "It's the Jews fault."
Exceptional scapegoating.

how so?

 

[Dragonfly]

Women aren't all mean to other women. Some are, and the way in which they do it is vicious.


End thread?

No it's not "end thread".

1) nobody here said "all women are mean to all women"

2) if you don't see that female on female bullying is increasing in many different ways you are not paying attention.

3) Fully agree that there are a-holes in all genders - and that they are just a-holes, but that's not what this thread is about.

 

[Henrin]

No it's not "end thread".

1) nobody here said "all women are mean to all women"

2) if you don't see that female on female bullying is increasing in many different ways you are not paying attention.

3) Fully agree that there are a-holes in all genders - and that they are just a-holes, but that's not what this thread is about.

Women are being taught to be more aggressive, so naturally they will be more aggressive with each other. Did you expect something different when you started promoting women act more like men?

 

[KevinKohler]

No it's not "end thread".

1) nobody here said "all women are mean to all women"

2) if you don't see that female on female bullying is increasing in many different ways you are not paying attention.

3) Fully agree that there are a-holes in all genders - and that they are just a-holes, but that's not what this thread is about.

I don't think women's attitudes towards other women is changing, I simply think it's become more visible. Ask your mom about it sometime. This crap was always there, but always before, it was kept kinda under wraps. Like, women were more covert about it. Empowerment has simply meant that women no longer feel the need to hide, and that applies equally to the negatives as it does the positives. So, yeah, it's more in the open now.

 

[CLAX1911]

Facts. But what is being alleged is that women are horrible to each other. So... I would say I make a better test subject than he does for that theory, dontcha think?

It seems they can be horrible to each other when men are around. But that isn't always. I've met a lot of women that aren't that way

 

[Dragonfly]

Here's what I think.

I think modern technology is the issue here. Internet, social media, cable TV, smartphones, computers...
Couple that with an ever-shrinking lack of parenting and you've got a ticking time-bomb regarding kids.
Regarding the older women, I think it's part of the "entitlement" scenario.
I've earned the right to speak my mind and set these younger girls straight.

Here's some facts we know:
Males have bullied and shamed other males since the dawn of time.
Males have bullied and shamed females since the dawn of time.
(not all males - but obviously many)

Have (some)* women shamed and bullied other women equally as long?
Probably.

What I'm asking is:
Has the frequency and aggression level increased by magnitudes?
Have (some)* women always been this vicious to each other, but we never saw it because the technology to expose it wasn't there?

Now if some of you wish to suggest that the only thing that's changed is the exposure of it
thanks to technology, I might take that as gospel.

*(some) because god dammit we all know that not all women do this, just like not all men do it...can we please not go down that road

 

[Dragonfly]

I don't think women's attitudes towards other women is changing, I simply think it's become more visible. Ask your mom about it sometime. This crap was always there, but always before, it was kept kinda under wraps. Like, women were more covert about it. Empowerment has simply meant that women no longer feel the need to hide, and that applies equally to the negatives as it does the positives. So, yeah, it's more in the open now.

My mother died 13 years ago.

Everything else you said makes perfect sense.

I'd like to see what the ladies think.

 

[William Rea]

Personally, I think modern bullcrap internet memes are to blame here. Everyone goes nuclear with the extreme descriptions of everyone else's position rather than listen to what is being said. A thoroughly modern thread indeed

 

[Dragonfly]

Personally, I think modern bullcrap internet memes are to blame here. Everyone goes nuclear with the extreme descriptions of everyone else's position rather than listen to what is being said. A thoroughly modern thread indeed

Seems it's human nature to always want to "one up" the last person.

Being more extreme has pluses and minuses.

Surely being a bigger meaner bully is not a plus.

Now that people have the ability to record and document their behavior we're seeing a lot of negative stuff.

Of course all these ridiculous celebrity feuds that get so much attention doesn't help things either.
Glamorizes needless drama.

 

[FastPace]

Bullcrap, if we were acting on evolution we would be attracted to women with wide hips and a good excess of fat.

I will throw the thought out there that the obsession with wide eyed, skinny and androgynous women is a form of covert paedophilia and homosexuality.

The fact that overweight women are attractive in some cultures shows how absurd any kind of evolutionary explanation for this is.

You were missing my point. And I'm mulatto reared ethnically Black-American, speak for yourself about the women you like, I've always been sexually attracted to women with wide hips (although, I can find women sexy in a variety of shapes).

As I pointed out, I don't see women running after male midgets. :roll: Now why is that?

My point here is that any time some liberal wants to explain why women like tall men, men with power and/or status, or gay men are attracted to other men, the first thing they go to is evolution (e.g., genetics). Yet, when it comes sexual attractions of heterosexual men the rant is it is 100% environmentally caused.





I don't really buy the genetics and evolutionary excuse for any sexual attraction. You didn't realize that did you? :roll:

Nonetheless, I accept there are in general *physical* characteristics most women tend find more attractive in men (than say other characteristics). Likewise with men when it comes to women.

Look, I was a short, skinny kid. I pumped iron. Contrary to what most Americans think it is easier, and far faster, to loose body fat than it is to gain muscle mass. Period. Naturally you can't gain 50 pounds of muscle in 12 months. Not going to happen. You would have to be some genetic outlier. And it certainly is not going to happen with a guy with a high metabolism that is thin.

I lost a lot of weight and muscle mass after I was shot 3 times by a cop. Mainly because 1 bullet struck me in the abdomen. You ever recover from an abdomen wound, particularly where the surgical team had to take your intestines outside of you before putting it all back in? I laid in the hospital for about a month in which for weeks I was not allowed to even drink water (I could suck on ice cubes) while in a horrendous state of thirsts. I was not allowed to eat food for weeks either.

Eventually, many months later after discharged from a private hospital (trauma 1 level), I got a VA sports nutritionist to help workout a diet plan (minimum calories, protein etc.) and I constructed a workout plan for myself. I actually drew upon the famous 300 Workout Plan the actors in the movie 300 did to get beefed and chisled. But I dramatically modified it, cut the reps from 50 to 20 and lowered the weight (the workout was designed for men 6 feet tall weighing 200 or more pounds, I was a short thin dude). I also added in many other exercises, and I ran at least 20 minutes on a treadmill (I think about 3 times a week).

Equally important is I on my work out days (which if I recall correctly was 3 or 4 times a week--at least 3) I worked out twice a day.

And on treadmill I would elevate and lower that thing. I would elevate it periodically as far up as it would go. Throwing boxing punches while running at a fast clip.

Ultimately, in 3 months I dropped my body fat to 19% and I had gained 10 pounds of weight.

I still look far from "ideal." Every time I look in the mirror I hate the way I look.

But I don't go blaming how unfair women are, how unfair American competition is, but rather I remind myself if I want to change the way I look I have to saddle back up and do the damn thing. I got put work.




So, chubby Americans don't know the energy (calories used) by men (or women) to pack on muscle. Or even for cardio workouts like in sports like college or high school wrestling were boys vomit from working out so intensely, or they suit up running in a shower room full of steam to lose water weight to "cut weight" for a competition. Rather, chubby male and female Americans think ignorantly that males gain muscle mass by just doing light workouts, if they have a 6 pack ab they were "just born that way." :roll:



Does CT Fletcher sound like he is forgiving on skinny men that won't push themselves near to passing out to pack on muscle? No.

 

[William Rea]

...2) if you don't see that female on female bullying is increasing in many different ways you are not paying attention...

I certainly don't see anything that resembles evidence for this.

 

[William Rea]

...snipped for brevity...

What was your point?

 

[FastPace]

No it's not "end thread".

1) nobody here said "all women are mean to all women"

2) if you don't see that female on female bullying is increasing in many different ways you are not paying attention.

3) Fully agree that there are a-holes in all genders - and that they are just a-holes, but that's not what this thread is about.

Personally, I like the way this young woman looks who is interviewing the different people. Notice how wide her hips are. Really, I like her whole look from hair to eyes and nose to skin tone.



I like the women of India and Egypt, Arabia, Persia. And Latin America too.

The beef some American women get into with each other over their looks or whatever is none of my concern. They will do what they want to do. It's their culture. And I really don't care if there are lots of white American or British men that like skinny women. That's the Americans and Brits problem.

If some dude dislikes you because you are not thin enough and you keep trying to get his attention then that is your problem.

A rich feminist female from America will cry crocodile tears to some poor dude in India with no legs, skinny, ugly looking and crawling around on the ground begging for food, about how unfair life and patriarchy has been to her. :roll:

I'm sure life has been unfair to her in some ways. That's a major characteristic of life: for all species of life. Unfair.

Discrimination is a key component of biological evolution. I studied this stuff in college. If every thing is "fair" and "equal" then there is no biological evolution that will occur. There has to be *pressures* that causes winners and losers.

Hey, I'm no person that appeals to the Theory of Evolution to explain why a gay man discriminates against a woman or a woman against a male midget or some American man against a woman that has a fat folds on her belly and large scar on her tummy.

But if you want to believe this evolutionary stuff explains how and why people do almost everything they do then, and evolution (with discrimination and winners and losers) is life then stop crying about how life is unfair. It's supposed to be if life is the savage evolutionary process. All this "lets be nice to each other and all men are created equal" is religion, not the Theory of Evolution.

Frankly, I believe more in the religious narrative. And therefore, I believe sin explains most the cruel treatment humans inflict on one another.

This "patriarchy" claim is BS. I live under a matriarchy. It's called Black-Amrerica. Google up the murder and incarceration rates in this matriarchy society relative to people still reared under patriarchy. And some of these inner-city Black-American women reared by single mothers in impoverished homes are some mean females that love mean dudes and despise kind men. Period. Not all the women in inner-city are like that. Some are. And "patriarchy" did not make them like that.

 

[Dragonfly]

I certainly don't see anything that resembles evidence for this.

You don't?

Is that because you think the levels of aggression and abuse haven't changed?

 

[chuckiechan]

Mom smacks down body shamer at pool - CNN.com




Seriously???? Does this crap really happen for real???

Men at the pool would feel more comfortable??? :doh
Blame the men?
I doubt one man at that pool said anything remotely negative.

Most were probably hoping she'd start breast feeding... :2razz:


Her response deserves :clap:




Although she should have recognized that it was not the men that complained....but just this one woman.

So tell me, who is truly more responsible for "body shaming"?

I've personally known that complaints regarding inappropriate female clothing in the work-place have always come from other women.
(Guys typically don't complain if ladies show more skin)

Is what the older lady did at that pool something that's not uncommon?

Hell, I had some woman body shame my dog at Petco. I offered to buy her a dog biscuit from the bin by the check out. She failed to see my humor. :roll:

 

[jdog21]

Its ethics man. Dont be a gulten or a sloth. Meaning dont over eat or over endulge in sugary fat foods and dont be lazy. But thats eactlly what we have become specially in the generation under 50. Hiding your self out of the respect of others was an important thing in the past thats now been lost in todays world. If you are really fat cover it so others dont feel uncomfortable by seeing it. If you have big boobs or pee pee cover them appropiatly so the young who dont know better dont see them. Its simple to care for others but now days everyone is so self absorbed and just want to do what ever they want, thats sickining. Of course making fun of someone else for how they look should never be tolarated either but it seems like no one can seperate edicate from shaming, sad

 

[FastPace]

What was your point?

I already made my point.

You thought you were talking to someone that was white, likes skinny women, and never worked out or had to reshape their body after a major bio-medical incident happened to their body.

You can barely walk--even a month after surgery--from a abdomen bullet wound. At least with a .40 caliber or larger. Ask any doctor or nurse on this website. And it certainly was impossible for me to have worked out in that early recovery phase. And I knew I looked sickly looking. And I knew zero women would find me attractive. But I did not blame matriarchy for how unfair they were on me.

I knew life was unfair and I accepted that and arose to the challenge. Eventually. For a short time. Like I said... I still hate the way I look but that's up to me to change. I don't "blame women."

There are women that work their bottom off physically in gyms etc, and far more than I have. I've trained with some of them in boxing gyms. And I've seen some on TV too. So, there are women that actually do put in major sweat and time to acquire the physique or strength or skills they have. Of course, there are women like Halle Berry born genetically blessed with good looks. All she has to do is roll out of bed and she looks good. Other women have to workout hard. Life sucks. But you find men born genetically blessed too in being tall and in that perfect range of not being skinny nor fat. Others of us have to work harder (you're not altering your height though).

More importantly I did not ridicule that woman for her looks. So, I appreciate not being blamed for it (like someone else pointed out blaming "Jews"). It was some woman she met that made the insult to her. Generally, I worry more about myself than feeling the need to critique a woman on how she looks. I've got my own problems and my own flaws. I don't have time to worry about some woman's possible physical flaws.





See... homie recognizes reality that some men were genetically gifted, big and worshiped their whole life. The exact same women in the West that yap their mouths about patriarchy, worshiped and chased after these men too. It's natural. People like good looking people.