Why such fear of Trump's re-election?

[Hawkeye10]

You should take your own advice

That does not make any sense...I am a heretic....almost no one talks like I do.....therefor what I say cant be coming from being manipulated by propaganda.

Then too there is the matter of me being a Truth Teller, which means truth seeker, and a very highly skilled one at that.

If you are going to give me snark at least make it quality snark, if you have it in you.

 

[Dayton3]

Yes, economic performance would be one of the criteria. I know, you folks think this is the "best economy ever," or some such.

1) It's not. Unemployment figures and stock market indexes paint such a poor picture of actual economic conditions for working Americans that it's utterly laughable to base economic claims on them.

Interesting. Could you provide some actual figures to back up your claims? and please don't whine about income inequality. Income inequality is not a measure of economic performance and thus is not relevant to the discussion.

 

[captaintrips]

This is the bizarre con man thing trump does, convincing people of the opposite of the truth, that trump is the 'enemy' of corruption, when he IS the corruption,

As usual, a liberal says others do what he does LOL

he IS the mob.

Incorrect

But somehow millions fall for his con and think the opposite.

Liberals who have fallen for the lies of liberalism, then say it is Trump doing what they have done.

It's exposed a terrible vulnerability in millions of Americans as very gullible to huge lies.

Which is illustrated to us every day by supporters of the Democrat party.

They'll believe trump, not their lying eyes, the FBI, the CIA, the news - all liars, trump is honest! Cult.

Incorrect. No "cult"

 

[Moonglow]

I'm not sure what the democrats are worried about. With Bernie currently in the lead, it looks like it will be Bernie v Trump in November.

Everyone knows all you need to do is tax the rich and everyone gets everything for free. It's a fact of nature.

Not even Putin can convince us otherwise. Not even Russian bots on Facebook. Why the concern? Start planning for Bernie's inauguration!

The lady on the phone is like Bernie, and all of us Americans are the lemonade stand guy:

YouTube

I like free stuff yay!

It is not fear it is determination to get rid of the racoon in the trash can.

 

[Craig234]

I'll use a report of Bernie's plan from the ultimate in trusted 'news' sources, CNN:

While your post almost sounds like is is factual, since it has a couple numbers (not all correct - for example, there are no "$14 an hour people" in Bernie's America), you really don't discuss the topic factually.

What's the rest of the story on Bernie's plans? What numbers don't work? How much IS the "wealth gap", and how will Bernie's policies affect it? Charts would be nice, not just an out of context single number average for one bit of the issue.

The 'punch line' to your rant is that one number, but it says very little.

Just as a starting point, it can't really be argued that Bernie's policies are the biggest step in the direction toward reducing inequality voters have to choose. Just how adequate his steps are needs more information to discuss, but your argument his steps are too small doesn't change that they are the largest steps of any candidate.

Then you ignored my whole post about the topic of how Putin propaganda works. Are you going to actually discuss anything, or just post your rants in reply to my posts you don't show any indication of reading or understanding?

 

[apdst]

He'll keep draining the swamp.

 

[bradt99]

He's doing a good on the economy and not getting us into any major wars, I don't see why he won't be reelected. I voted for Sanders in my primary already so he would be easier for Trump to beat in November.

 

[bradt99]

It is not fear it is determination to get rid of the racoon in the trash can.

LOL, we did that with Hillary Clinton in 2016.

 

[bradt99]

It is shocking how many seem so unconcerned about a President who could not care any less about the Constitution nor how damaging it is to warm up to Putin of all people.

You all keep using Putin as an excuse, because your policies are unpopular with the American people and keep putting up establishment candidates.

 

[Citizen]

I'm not sure what the democrats are worried about. With Bernie currently in the lead, it looks like it will be Bernie v Trump in November.

Everyone knows all you need to do is tax the rich and everyone gets everything for free. It's a fact of nature.

Not even Putin can convince us otherwise. Not even Russian bots on Facebook. Why the concern? Start planning for Bernie's inauguration!

The lady on the phone is like Bernie, and all of us Americans are the lemonade stand guy:

YouTube

I like free stuff yay!

Because trump is a con man and a gangster

 

[dairyair]

Trump leads a Rebellion against the failed elites.

I have been pointing this out here all the way back to 2015, sadly too few have figured out that I am right.

Really?
The elite R party is rebelling against the rebellion?

Seems like they are swallowing.

 

[dairyair]

I'm going to go explain how to drive to a 2 year old, how to view quantum physics to a 4 year old, how to deal with romantic triangles to a 6 year old, and then I'm going to waste time explaining how Putin propaganda - at least a sentence or two how - works to you.

Putin propaganda isn't about 'the message', convincing people to believe something specific. It's about affecting voters in ways that Putin wants. Which primarily means suppressing the votes against trump, such as convincing black voters of bad things about the Democratic nominee, to get them to not want to bother voting, creating division in the party.

So, for example, if Bloomberg were the nominee, you might see Putin putting out a huge campaign telling Democrats how Bloomberg is a bigot, criticizing his wealth trying to 'buy the election', to discourage turnout for him, hyping the party divisions.

If Bernie is the nominee, you might see Putin's campaign hyping the 'socialist' attack on Bernie, trying to discourage the Democrats who don't like Bernie over that, hyping the party divisions.

That's how it works, not actual arguments about the issues meant to persuade people rationally. Anything to divide and suppress, to stoke divisions - "divide and conquer". By the way, you quoted the phrase "just the billionaires". It's a lie to imply you are quoting Bernie - admit that it's YOUR straw man lie, not what Bernie says.

WE don't need Russians to divide and conquer.
The 2 party system does a great job of doing that on their own.

 

[marke]

I'm not sure what the democrats are worried about. With Bernie currently in the lead, it looks like it will be Bernie v Trump in November.

Everyone knows all you need to do is tax the rich and everyone gets everything for free. It's a fact of nature.

Not even Putin can convince us otherwise. Not even Russian bots on Facebook. Why the concern? Start planning for Bernie's inauguration!

The lady on the phone is like Bernie, and all of us Americans are the lemonade stand guy:

YouTube

I like free stuff yay!

Bernie is in Putin's pocket when it comes to Putin motivating his American leader to shut down American oil drilling.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Really?
The elite R party is rebelling against the rebellion?

Seems like they are swallowing.

So you fail following along....

Sadly you have lots of company.

 

[Deuce]

Interesting. Could you provide some actual figures to back up your claims? and please don't whine about income inequality. Income inequality is not a measure of economic performance and thus is not relevant to the discussion.

Instead of income inequality, we'll just look at income.

We've only just caught up to where working Americans were in 1964.

Now, the picture gets worse when you look at the big ticket items. The three biggest expenditures in a typical person's lifetime are going to be healthcare, education, and housing.
After adjusting for inflation, college tuition has increased 241% since 1969. More than triple.
Average Cost of College Has Jumped an Incredible 3,009% in 50 Years

Median single-family home price has increased from ~175k to ~275k, again inflation-adjusted. About a 60% increase.
Historical Home Prices: US Monthly Median from 1953-2019 - DQYDJ

Healthcare spending per household doubled since 1984.
Americans spend twice as much on health care today as in the 1980s

For 50 years, Americans' paychecks have been struggling to even keep up with inflation. And the cost of all the big ticket items have jumped dramatically. A young American getting out of high school today is expected to spend almost 3.5 times as much on their education as their grandparents did and they will earn substantially less money with that degree. Then they're expected to save up to put a down payment on a house, which isn't easy to do living paycheck to paycheck, and the price of that house has jumped.

And to top it all off, all these clueless boomers brush them off with "just work harder like I did!" Because boomers could do that. Boomers could work a part-time job to put themselves through college and end up with a better career. My dad did that. He put vegetables in a big machine that chops them up. That was his job. Paid for college that way. It's literally impossible to pay college tuition off a minimum wage job now. In the last decade, tuition has gone up 25% and minimum wage has gone up 0%. They point this stuff out, and they get called lazy and entitled. "Kids want everything handed to them these days!"

No, ****head, kids don't want everything handed to them. They just want a playing field as good as what their parents and grandparents had. Is that so much to ask? That a generation makes the world better for the next one, not worse?

 

[Dayton3]

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No, ****head, kids don't want everything handed to them. They just want a playing field as good as what their parents and grandparents had. Is that so much to ask? That a generation makes the world better for the next one, not worse?

Of course it's too much to ask. This is a new world economically. Their parents and especially their grandparents came to the "playing field" when the U.S. was still benefiting from the post World War Two economic boom when the U.S. had the only undamaged major economy in the world.

That world is gone. It's never coming about. As they tell us teachers.

Monitor and adjust.

 

[Deuce]

Of course it's too much to ask. This is a new world economically. Their parents and especially their grandparents came to the "playing field" when the U.S. was still benefiting from the post World War Two economic boom when the U.S. had the only undamaged major economy in the world.

That world is gone. It's never coming about. As they tell us teachers.

Monitor and adjust.

Great, I'm glad you agree that this is not the "best economy in a generation," or whatever. Young people these days objectively have things harder than their parents and grandparents did. It's incredibly rare for a conservative to acknowledge that, particularly since it undermines one of the key claims of Trump supporters regarding whether or not he should stay president.

Trump has been very good to people like me who were already very well-off. But I'm not part of the group that needed the help. Remember when Paul Ryan, chief architect of this grand tax cut plan, touted that school secretary in his state who was "helped" by the tax cut? The extra take home pay of hers?

Buck fifty a week. And remember, this is the example he picked to show off with.

Stock market going up? Yeah, that's good for me. For a twenty-two year old who can't afford their student loan payments? Completely irrelevant.

 

[The Old Soul]

" Why such fear of Trump's re-election?"
I'm totally 100% sick of everything that happens from a bakery sale at Walmart to whose the lead reindeer for Santa's sleigh next Christmas somehow being owned or caused by Trump. Add in the endless partisan name calling and pointless rhetoric that has nothing to do with issues or policies, and you have my reason for hoping Trump is not re-elected.

 

[Dayton3]

Great, I'm glad you agree that this is not the "best economy in a generation," or whatever. Young people these days objectively have things harder than their parents and grandparents did. It's incredibly rare for a conservative to acknowledge that, particularly since it undermines one of the key claims of Trump supporters regarding whether or not he should stay president.

Trump has been very good to people like me who were already very well-off. But I'm not part of the group that needed the help. Remember when Paul Ryan, chief architect of this grand tax cut plan, touted that school secretary in his state who was "helped" by the tax cut? The extra take home pay of hers?

Buck fifty a week. And remember, this is the example he picked to show off with.

Stock market going up? Yeah, that's good for me. For a twenty-two year old who can't afford their student loan payments? Completely irrelevant.

Glad we agree on some things. But I'm not overly sympathetic to people who are deep into debt due to student loans. I didn't get any student loans to go to college. Neither did my three sisters. Neither did my daughter.

If you can't afford to go to college you shouldn't incur the debt to do so.

 

[Rickeroo]

While your post almost sounds like is is factual, since it has a couple numbers (not all correct - for example, there are no "$14 an hour people" in Bernie's America), you really don't discuss the topic factually.

What's the rest of the story on Bernie's plans? What numbers don't work? How much IS the "wealth gap", and how will Bernie's policies affect it? Charts would be nice, not just an out of context single number average for one bit of the issue.

The 'punch line' to your rant is that one number, but it says very little.

Just as a starting point, it can't really be argued that Bernie's policies are the biggest step in the direction toward reducing inequality voters have to choose. Just how adequate his steps are needs more information to discuss, but your argument his steps are too small doesn't change that they are the largest steps of any candidate.

Then you ignored my whole post about the topic of how Putin propaganda works. Are you going to actually discuss anything, or just post your rants in reply to my posts you don't show any indication of reading or understanding?

In the CNN article cited, "wealth*" occurs 18 times, and "billion*" occurs 9 times. These are very large amounts geared towards democrat voters - a significant portion of whom is used to dealing with paychecks and wealth in the hundreds, let alone thousands or millions. Billions is unfathomable.

Getting all that money from evil billionaires amounts to $4.35 trillion over a decade, or 435 billion a year each year for 10 years. Divide that by 330 million people, and you get about $1300 per person, $5200 for a family of 4 each year.

Medicare for All will cost about $32 trillion over 10 years. Bernie taking from evil billionaires leaves Medicare for All about 13.6% funded. Let's give Bernie points and assume that all the other candidates fund less than 13.6% of their plans, so I'll give points to Bernie here.

The reasoning behind my posting is that when a socialist complains about billionaires hoarding all the wealth, and then aims to take that wealth with a bold plan, I expect some real money for the citizenry. $5200 for a family of 4 per year isn't real money, and it's reflected in the poor 13.6% funding for healthcare for all. But it seems like a lot more when coupled with the phrase "tax the rich".

We can look at this two ways. The first is how much Bernie would need to extract from the billionaires so that a family of 4 would have the funds to support medicare for all. He would need to take $32 trillion over 10 years from billionaires, which hits them more than 7 times harder. This results in $38,235 for a family of 4 per year. I'd say that this represents a significant amount. It certainly would not make them rich, but may actually pay for free health care and the resulting long wait times. Let's hope the billionaires keep working to make all that money and don't pull an Atlas Shrugged.

The other way is to keep the 13.6% funding as it is and imagine how small the country would have to be for everyone to have Bernie Care. There's enough for about 44 million people. Countries in this size class include Argentina and Spain. Bernie would then have to figure out how to fund the other 285 million people, the equivalent of 3.4 Germanys.

I'm all for demonizing the rich and getting free money. But $5200 a year for a family of 4? I spent half that on Dunkin Donuts last year. That amount barely covers my real estate taxes. These socialists can throw around the word "billionaire" all they want - they need to show me some real money.

 

[Deuce]

Glad we agree on some things. But I'm not overly sympathetic to people who are deep into debt due to student loans. I didn't get any student loans to go to college. Neither did my three sisters. Neither did my daughter.

If you can't afford to go to college you shouldn't incur the debt to do so.

Easy to say when it cost a third as much in your day :lamo

Just throwing up your hands and saying "just don't go if you can't afford it" is terrible long-term thinking for this country. Fewer and fewer people getting advanced education in an increasingly-technological world. America will be left behind.

 

[Dayton3]

Easy to say when it cost a third as much in your day :lamo

True but even then

1) I had a massive academic scholarship
2) I was attending what was at that time the cheapest four year university in the U.S.

 

[narrowroad]

I'm not sure what the democrats are worried about. With Bernie currently in the lead, it looks like it will be Bernie v Trump in November.

Everyone knows all you need to do is tax the rich and everyone gets everything for free. It's a fact of nature.

Not even Putin can convince us otherwise. Not even Russian bots on Facebook. Why the concern? Start planning for Bernie's inauguration!

The lady on the phone is like Bernie, and all of us Americans are the lemonade stand guy:

YouTube

I like free stuff yay!

i doubt Bernie wins. Most of America does not want to be the next Venezuela

or Cuba

 

[Deuce]

True but even then

1) I had a massive academic scholarship
2) I was attending what was at that time the cheapest four year university in the U.S.

That makes it even more egregious to throw your hands up and say "just don't go if you can't afford it."

As above I edited in too late:
Just throwing up your hands and saying "just don't go if you can't afford it" is terrible long-term thinking for this country. Fewer and fewer people getting advanced education in an increasingly-technological world. America will be left behind.

 

[Deuce]

i doubt Bernie wins. Most of America does not want to be the next Venezuela

or Cuba

There's a reason you say Venezuela and Cuba instead of Sweden and Canada. You've been trained.