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Why such fear of Trump's re-election?

Medicare for All will cost about $32 trillion over 10 years. Bernie taking from evil billionaires leaves Medicare for All about 13.6% funded. Let's give Bernie points and assume that all the other candidates fund less than 13.6% of their plans, so I'll give points to Bernie here.

Question for you. If Medicare for all will cots $32 trillion, and the current system would cost $56 trillion, how could we afford to pay $20 trillion less?

The reasoning behind my posting is that when a socialist complains about billionaires hoarding all the wealth, and then aims to take that wealth with a bold plan, I expect some real money for the citizenry. $5200 for a family of 4 per year isn't real money, and it's reflected in the poor 13.6% funding for healthcare for all. But it seems like a lot more when coupled with the phrase "tax the rich".

When people's expenses go down that $20 trillion, when people no longer have to pay on student debt and tuition, when a larger share of wealth goes to the people, that is 'real money for the citizenry'. And I haven't even gotten to benefits such as protecting the environment and having a real consumer finance protection bureau and countless more improvements.
 
i doubt Bernie wins. Most of America does not want to be the next Venezuela

or Cuba

Nor does Bernie.

Most of America doesn't want to be a plutocracy and wage slaves, either. The policies in the Nordic countries overall are better. Europe generally has a lot of advantages, starting with less poverty.
 
Question for you. If Medicare for all will cots $32 trillion, and the current system would cost $56 trillion, how could we afford to pay $20 trillion less?



When people's expenses go down that $20 trillion, when people no longer have to pay on student debt and tuition, when a larger share of wealth goes to the people, that is 'real money for the citizenry'. And I haven't even gotten to benefits such as protecting the environment and having a real consumer finance protection bureau and countless more improvements.

I'll assume that Bernie would put the healthcare savings of $24T / 10 years in the hands of the working folk for them to spend as they please and 'reduce the gap'. This results in a healthcare savings of about $28,000 per year per family of 4.

This family of 4, under Bernie's plan, has zero out of pocket healthcare expenses. The working folk get additionally taxed starting at $29,000 (or perhaps closer to $32,000 when Bernie raises the minimum wage). I'll assume that this tax rate for the working folk won't be much, since Bernie is hitting the 650 US billionaires really hard so the bottom 330 million can benefit.

So we have a lot of out of pocket savings for the typical family. What they used to spend on healthcare will now be entirely handled by the government. The government needs to come up with $32T over 10 years, a 43% decrease over the old private system. Through the magic of Bernie, people used to use private insurance to pay $500 for a hospital bandaid, now the government will pay about $285 for it. Bernie generates 13.6% of this amount taking from the few hundred billionaires, and perhaps a token amount taken from the minimum (now called "living") wage people making $15 an hour.

I'm glad that families are no longer paying $28k per year due to Bernie's cost savings. I'm also glad that the healthcare costs that remain are going to be paid by "the rich", but Bernie is only extracting 13.6% of healthcare costs from them. Where does he get the other 85%? Government needs to fund that other 85%. Free health care means government funds it.

Does he take away from the military budget? Assuming we eliminate the military (perhaps Denmark and Sweden could defend us), this would save 934 billion a year, let's round up to one trillion.

Over a decade, Bernie's billionaire tax funds $4.35T of the $32T. Eliminating the military entirely will garner another $10T, which funds Bernie's plan about 45%.

We could certainly leave Bernie's plan half funded and move on to other things like "free" college.
 
I'm glad that families are no longer paying $28k per year due to Bernie's cost savings. I'm also glad that the healthcare costs that remain are going to be paid by "the rich", but Bernie is only extracting 13.6% of healthcare costs from them. Where does he get the other 85%? Government needs to fund that other 85%. Free health care means government funds it.

Does he take away from the military budget? Assuming we eliminate the military (perhaps Denmark and Sweden could defend us), this would save 934 billion a year, let's round up to one trillion.

Over a decade, Bernie's billionaire tax funds $4.35T of the $32T. Eliminating the military entirely will garner another $10T, which funds Bernie's plan about 45%.

We could certainly leave Bernie's plan half funded and move on to other things like "free" college.

You're still ignoring the question, if we spend $32T instead of $56T, how can we afford to spend $20T less? You are looking all around for where to find the $32T; start with where the $56T comes from. As I recall, Bernie's plans for taxes on the average family are about $5,000 less than what they pay now. Employers pay a lot; I'm not sure how Bernie plans to address that change, to get that savings to employees.

No, Bernie isn't going to use military spending on healthcare as I understand, though he does want to cut the wasteful, massive military budget. That could be applied to things like deficit reduction. His tuition plan comes from a tax on Wall Street speculation/high-sped trading as I understand.
 
Interesting. Could you provide some actual figures to back up your claims? and please don't whine about income inequality. Income inequality is not a measure of economic performance and thus is not relevant to the discussion.

Here is one simple metric. Please take note that these are the Best of Tax Cut economics times.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
 
You're still ignoring the question, if we spend $32T instead of $56T, how can we afford to spend $20T less? You are looking all around for where to find the $32T; start with where the $56T comes from. As I recall, Bernie's plans for taxes on the average family are about $5,000 less than what they pay now. Employers pay a lot; I'm not sure how Bernie plans to address that change, to get that savings to employees.

No, Bernie isn't going to use military spending on healthcare as I understand, though he does want to cut the wasteful, massive military budget. That could be applied to things like deficit reduction. His tuition plan comes from a tax on Wall Street speculation/high-sped trading as I understand.

Admittedly, I'm being a bit harsh on Bernie.

Bernie's plan costs $32T, all of this money would come from the public sector. Business as usual is $56T. There are two components to the $56T - that which government already funds (medicare, state workers), and that which the private sector funds (employers / employees).

In theory, if $32T, by chance, is the amount government would have already funded out of the $56T, then no new taxes are needed. Through Bernie's cost reduction, the $24T burden on the private sector is lifted, and the $32T remainder is absorbed by the public sector with taxes already in place.

However, the article says that Bernie's new billionaire tax will 'help fund' the new, lower cost $32T Bernie plan by providing $4.3T. This suggests that government's share of the $56T is lower than $32T, and lower than $28T. As to how much it covers, who knows. The media or Bernie hasn't given enough information on that.
 
Trump leads a Rebellion against the failed elites.

I have been pointing this out here all the way back to 2015, sadly too few have figured out that I am right.

Trump's rhetoric may have you believing that.

But his actions have done nothing but helped those elites you feel he has rebelled against.
 
Admittedly, I'm being a bit harsh on Bernie.

Bernie's plan costs $32T, all of this money would come from the public sector. Business as usual is $56T. There are two components to the $56T - that which government already funds (medicare, state workers), and that which the private sector funds (employers / employees).

In theory, if $32T, by chance, is the amount government would have already funded out of the $56T, then no new taxes are needed. Through Bernie's cost reduction, the $24T burden on the private sector is lifted, and the $32T remainder is absorbed by the public sector with taxes already in place.

However, the article says that Bernie's new billionaire tax will 'help fund' the new, lower cost $32T Bernie plan by providing $4.3T. This suggests that government's share of the $56T is lower than $32T, and lower than $28T. As to how much it covers, who knows. The media or Bernie hasn't given enough information on that.

Some options for funding are here:

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all?inline=file
 
The national debt and annual deficit was going up steadily well before President Trump took office.

lol. Nobody takes right wingers seriously about economics.

We had a Recession to turn around well before Your guy took office.

Why are we losing money during the Best of Tax Cut economics times? These are the Best of Times not the Worst of Times for you all, right wingers.

This is the Best you all can do:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
 
I'm not sure what the democrats are worried about. With Bernie currently in the lead, it looks like it will be Bernie v Trump in November.

Everyone knows all you need to do is tax the rich and everyone gets everything for free. It's a fact of nature.

Not even Putin can convince us otherwise. Not even Russian bots on Facebook. Why the concern? Start planning for Bernie's inauguration!

The lady on the phone is like Bernie, and all of us Americans are the lemonade stand guy:

YouTube

I like free stuff yay!

Because all Bernie has is a base likely as spirited as Trump's....possibly as large as Trump's. Credit Bernie's populist act for getting that far. But it won't help him with the Independents, now a larger group than either party affiliation. They are pragmatic voters and once the curtain closes on the voting booth, they will pull the lever more often for Trump than for Bernie. Trump's support with Independents is larger than it has ever been in the three years of his term and optimism about the state of the nation is higher than it has been in 15 years. Not a great dynamic for Burnie and he has not even faced the cannons the T-Party will turn on him if and when he is the Dem nominee.

It is to my great disappointment that too many Americans do not see nor even acknowledge the threat that Trump represents to this Republic. Heck a good many Bernies and varies and sundry other Lefties do not care about this Republic. Much of what should work to oust Trump is not working in this country and Bernie can't change that. If anything, those Independents that might be attracted to a Dem won't be attracted to Bernie.
 
Sanders will do it much better, he will tax "the rich" mercilessly and use the trillions in new federal revenue to make college and medical care completely free to everyone. That way everyone in the world will come here to become really smart and healthy with no need to work unless they want to live in a house or apartment since public housing is all filled up, but I'm sure that Sanders will address that unfairness in his second term.

Well, we'll talk about these things, but congress does what donors want over what voters want. So nothing will.change much.

And we need to talk about how allowing folks with an insatiable hunger for status and power has never worked out for the societies that do allow or facilitate it.

Lest we repeat history.
 
Trump leads a Rebellion against the failed elites.

I have been pointing this out here all the way back to 2015, sadly too few have figured out that I am right.

Trump is a member of the elites. That’s why he has made it tougher on working people, the environment, appealed to what he perceives as his supporters’ bigotry, etc.
 
Trump's rhetoric may have you believing that.

But his actions have done nothing but helped those elites you feel he has rebelled against.

One day of listening to corporate media trying to take down Trump should be all you need to figure out that you are wrong.
 
Because all Bernie has is a base likely as spirited as Trump's....possibly as large as Trump's. Credit Bernie's populist act for getting that far. But it won't help him with the Independents, now a larger group than either party affiliation.

A lot of independents are right-wingers no Democrat is going to win. But Bernie - as the only frickin' candidate who has run as an independent for decades for Senate - will get as many as any Democrat can. It's why he got 2 independents for every 1 Hillary did. And trump is a corrupt monster, which will help Bernie more.

They are pragmatic voters

They're low-information voters generally IMO.

and once the curtain closes on the voting booth, they will pull the lever more often for Trump than for Bernie. Trump's support with Independents is larger than it has ever been in the three years of his term and optimism about the state of the nation is higher than it has been in 15 years. Not a great dynamic for Burnie and he has not even faced the cannons the T-Party will turn on him if and when he is the Dem nominee.

You just make crap up - you know how independents will vote better than they do. "Bernie crushing trump by 18 points with independents" now. Bernie hasn't had the benefit of his national campaign for them yet.

Sanders Crushes Trump by 18 Points Among Independent Voters in New National General Election Poll | Common Dreams News

Heck a good many Bernies and varies and sundry other Lefties do not care about this Republic... If anything, those Independents that might be attracted to a Dem won't be attracted to Bernie.

Garbage. You deserve trump.
 
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