When Will Trump Standup Against Bigotry and Racism?

[concernedpuma]

I asked you what would you have Trump do: you refused to answer. I repeat:

Now what would you prefer Trump do, wipe NK off the map and start WWIII and leave hundreds of thousands dead. But just maybe a better way would be diplomacy in and effort to pull in Rocket Man showing a different path to prosperity, rather than no prosperity if they continue to build out there nuke program.

Instead of all your BS. Answer the question.

I agree with your position, but disagree with your numbers. WWIII will leave millions upon millions, maybe in the billions dead and the survivors trying to live on a poisoned planet.
Another point that is lost in the shuffle, is that President Obama received votes because he promised to sit down with our enemies. Excepting the low octane attempt with Cuba, he never did as much as this voter thought he would. President Trump is.
Regards,
CP
Regards,
CP

 

[concernedpuma]

So give him what he wants up front, looks. And then what?

I can't give the weight to the art of negotiation in politics as is warranted. I negotiated in my former life(retired now) and I know what it took to get successful agreement. Sometimes it is agreeing when the other party is presenting a notion as their own, when it was what you were after the whole term. Do I think President Trump will change North Korea's treatment of their own people? Probably not at first, but the beginning of change might resemble an Arab Spring in that country. Then, again, it might not. That would up to the citizens of North Korea.
Regards,
CP

 

[Incredulous]

I asked you what would you have Trump do: you refused to answer. I repeat:

Now what would you prefer Trump do, wipe NK off the map and start WWIII and leave hundreds of thousands dead. But just maybe a better way would be diplomacy in and effort to pull in Rocket Man showing a different path to prosperity, rather than no prosperity if they continue to build out there nuke program.

Instead of all your BS. Answer the question.

Instead of all your BS. You answer the question you have avoided while dredging up all this Obama deflection:

To be clear, you have no issue with our POTUS fawning over the dictator of North Korea and further denouncing Kim Jung Un's responsibility for the torture and murder of an American student all on his word?

I'm not participating if you can't stay focused.

 

[Oborosen]

If you want to make yourself look sillier than usual. ....your call

Seeing as you already posted the silly bit, I though one of us should at least stick to reality.

So yes, I'm calling BS. Unless you actually have proof of what you posted?

 

[jet57]

Name the speaker....

All he does is blather words and lie; where's he standing up against racism and bigotry? Where's the call for laws against all that?


"I'm sorry , what? I didn't hear you".

 

[Oborosen]

This is the silly game zealots play. Play it with someone else.

Thank you for running away.

 

[Oborosen]

I just laugh. They toss out the "WHATABOUTISM" line whenever we point out Obama's faux pas, or his lying, hypocrisy and distain for others, but drag out "What about Reagan . . ." who hasn't been in office for thirty years.

(Gasp) Comparing a president to his predecessor?

Say it isn't so...

 

[Oborosen]

Seems obvious to me in those quotes and contexts that is exactly what he is doing. I have never stood for the thin defence that just because he didn't shout the N-word with a bullhorn then he can't be racist.

Trump promotes racism.

He's said everything he possibly could without crossing that line and even then there are leaks and rumors from his cohorts that he's used it in private. Regardless of whether those are true or not we know what he has said in public and apart from those in willful denial, those statements and comments are unequivocally racist in everyone else's estimation.

We heard what he said, know what he meant - he's not a complicated guy - and he's racist to the core. Or at least he's spent his political career trying to appeal to racists; same thing in this context.

So no, still no proof that he's promoted racism... great. Why do I even bother?

Then again this is coming from the same people that kept crying a wall was racist, or that if you didn't like a religion you were racist, or if you just had a difference of opinion. That alone made you racist as well.

I think you need to stop construing everything as a sign of racism.

 

[Oborosen]

Didn't you claim you were a therapist, or a counselor of sorts ? Were you never taught about dog whispering or reading between the lines when you are practicing your field of study ? How about body language or human profiling ? Maybe you missed those classes or you should request a refund from whatever institute ripped you off ?

So that's a no on actually supplying evidence and now you're just attacking my alma mater?

Pepperdine by the way. Just in case you were wondering.

I've seen no evidence so far that even suggest that Trump promotes racism. Despite all of the claims and all of the same repeated rhetoric that keeps getting thrown my way. I've seen nothing that even comes close to what people are trying to claim and I've seen people claim he was secretly transporting jews, latinos and gays into hidden death camps. So yes, forgive me if I am taking your opinion with more than a few grains of salt.

I've seen people like Pelosi claim that he is racist, because the wall was racist. I've got people in my facility right now that believe less crazy **** than that and several have Jesus listed as an emergency contact.

Pic one thing, just one and we can start from there.

 

[uptower]

I think you need to stop construing everything as a sign of racism.

Not everything. I just find the things Trump has said to be blatantly so.

The evidence speaks for itself: he said what he said and it's a matter of public record; white nationalists and other ne'er do wells are emboldened by his rhetoric.

 

[Oborosen]

Not everything. I just find the things Trump has said to be blatantly so.

The evidence speaks for itself: he said what he said and it's a matter of public record; white nationalists and other ne'er do wells are emboldened by his rhetoric.

Alright, pick one.

One quote, or one action and use that as a starting point for your claim that he promotes racism.

 

[uptower]

Alright, pick one.

One quote, or one action and use that as a starting point for your claim that he promotes racism.

"Good people on both sides" at Charlottesville.

I contend that because it was a Right Wing Nationalist rally, chanting the Jews will not replace us, there were no good people on that side of the rally. Their motives were impure, cruel, bigoted to begin with. Trump has to have been aware of this. Yet he paid lip service to them, presumably to curry favor with their many sympathizers who were watching. In that way he appealed to racists in a very overt and direct manner.

That's how I saw it. Is there another interpretation?

 

[Oborosen]

"Good people on both sides" at Charlottesville.

I contend that because it was a Right Wing Nationalist rally, chanting the Jews will not replace us, there were no good people on that side of the rally. Their motives were impure, cruel, bigoted to begin with. Trump has to have been aware of this. Yet he paid lip service to them, presumably to curry favor with their many sympathizers who were watching. In that way he appealed to racists in a very overt and direct manner.

That's how I saw it. Is there another interpretation?

There were more than just white nationalist at Charlottesville, people for and against the removal of the statue. Which was the actual event in question before the fighting started. Good people, who participated in the rally and protest and even people were just normal bystanders. Got pulled into that same conflict and harmed.

Trumps statement was conciliatory to all parties to say the least. He even had come out before and after the event decrying to acts of the alt right. So if you're just using this as proof that he's promoting racism, yet ignoring the fact that he's actually come out against the same racism you claim he is promoting. What does that say about your argument?

He wasn't wrong in his hatred on many sides comment as well. Because had the far-left activist not shown up and caused the conflict. Charlottesville would be little more than a footnote at this point.

 

[OpportunityCost]

All he does is blather words and lie; where's he standing up against racism and bigotry? Where's the call for laws against all that?


"I'm sorry , what? I didn't hear you".

He doesn't draft laws. There are laws against running people over with cars. There are hate crime laws already on the books. You are posturing, your point is completely hollow.

 

[uptower]

There were more than just white nationalist at Charlottesville, people for and against the removal of the statue. Which was the actual event in question before the fighting started. Good people, who participated in the rally and protest and even people were just normal bystanders. Got pulled into that same conflict and harmed.

Trumps statement was conciliatory to all parties to say the least. He even had come out before and after the event decrying to acts of the alt right. So if you're just using this as proof that he's promoting racism, yet ignoring the fact that he's actually come out against the same racism you claim he is promoting. What does that say about your argument?

He wasn't wrong in his hatred on many sides comment as well. Because had the far-left activist not shown up and caused the conflict. Charlottesville would be little more than a footnote at this point.

I fear any examination of Trumps lines will reveal something of a Rorschach test. We all think we know what we heard or what to expect from him. Those who see him as bigoted will find themselves vindicated by his words and deeds. Those who truly believe he is not will always find an alternative understanding.

Given the context I don't think a conciliatory gesture was needed and he should have taken the opportunity to stand firm against bigotry from day one. Instead he gave mealy-mouthed platitudes to 'both sides' and waited until after it had resulted in at least one murder to 'condemn' the racists.

And then there's the long list of his other statements included in the links I first provided.

 

[ecofarm]

Because had the far-left activist not shown up and caused the conflict. Charlottesville would be little more than a footnote at this point.

A nazi mudered someone and injured many and only he is responsible. Don't apologize for and promote nazi violence by pointing fingers.

 

[Oborosen]

I fear any examination of Trumps lines will reveal something of a Rorschach test. We all think we know what we heard or what to expect from him. Those who see him as bigoted will find themselves vindicated by his words and deeds. Those who truly believe he is not will always find an alternative understanding.

Given the context I don't think a conciliatory gesture was needed and he should have taken the opportunity to stand firm against bigotry from day one. Instead he gave mealy-mouthed platitudes to 'both sides' and waited until after it had resulted in at least one murder to 'condemn' the racists.

And then there's the long list of his other statements included in the links I first provided.

He did take the chance to stand against bigotry and he was attacked by mostly every democrat and any other leftist who even remotely heard about it.

The same people who openly ignored, or even protected Antifa's involvement in that whole ordeal. Because had they not shown up to the protest, it would've been the normal fair for such an event. No violence, no damages. Just a bunch of idiots walking around and crying about something that isn't even happening.

There is no way to draw out that he was promoting racism. By acknowledging that there were actually good people on both sides of the conflict that day.

Try another.

 

[Oborosen]

A nazi mudered someone and injured many and only he is responsible. Don't apologize for and promote nazi violence by pointing fingers.

I'm doing no such thing. So you can take that insanity with you back where you came from.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Simple question. When will Trump standup and speak out against racism and bigotry of all kinds?

He may be doing the best thing to end it. Stop dwelling on it. Put a stop to it where it is happening but the unending focusing on white, brown, black, red, etc. just makes things worse. I went to a mostly black school in first grade. I didn't know there was a problem until the racist parents black and white kept focusing on the fact we were different colors. It was the parents who taught us to hate each other. We just wanted to play together.

 

[ecofarm]

I'm doing no such thing. So you can take that insanity with you back where you came from.

Blaming others for nazi violence is promoting nazi violence.

 

[Oborosen]

Blaming others for nazi violence is promoting nazi violence.

Then you may need to find a supported standard, or relevant definition. Because at this point, all you have is your opinion on the matter.

What I'm doing is pointing out an actual factor that took part in causing such violence to happen. I've given no suggestion that the man who committed such a crime was in the right, nor suggested he was not to be held accountable.

Can you, beyond any reasonable doubt tell me that had the leftist thugs not shown up. Heather HeYer, much less anyone else would've still been killed that day?

 

[ecofarm]

Then you may need to find a supported standard, or relevant definition. Because at this point, all you have is your opinion on the matter.

What I'm doing is pointing out an actual factor that took part in causing such violence to happen. I've given no suggestion that the man who committed such a crime was in the right, nor suggested he was not to be held accountable.

Can you, beyond any reasonable doubt tell me that had the leftist thugs not shown up. Heather HeYer, much less anyone else would've still been killed that day?

You're promoting nazi violence by blaming others. You're telling nazis, ~"if you're opposed, murder. And I will defend you. I will blame them for being there."

 

[Oborosen]

You're promoting nazi violence by blaming others. You're telling nazis, ~"if you're opposed, murder. And I will defend you. I will blame them for being there."

So no you're just going to keep running back into this corner, not actually confront the question and keep saying that I'm actually promoting Nazi violence, when it's very easy to see that I'm not?

Are you even going to answer the question?

 

[ecofarm]

So no you're just going to keep running back into this corner, not actually confront the question and keep saying that I'm actually promoting Nazi violence, when it's very easy to see that I'm not?

Are you even going to answer the question?

"She shouldn't have worn that dress. Don't worry, nazis, I got your back."

 

[Oborosen]

"She shouldn't have worn that dress. Don't worry, nazis, I got your back."

Thanks for running away, yet again Eco. You never fail to disappoint.