What "well regulated" means in the 2nd Amendment

[Rich2018]

It can be mounted, but it'll make the bumpstock useless.

So you're saying a person cannot operated bump stock if it's fitted to a rifle that's mounted on a tripod ?

 

[Rich2018]

I dont care who agrees

I do...often it involves my wife's opinion.

 

[VanceMack]

So that picture I posted is wrong...a bump stock equipped rifle cannot be mounted on a tripod, to the best of your knowledge ?

Did you look at that picture you posted? You should.

What you will see is that it isnt a 'bump stock' weapon. In fact there is no stock on the weapon at all.

A tripod is designed to provide a shooter accuracy and stability for a single shot. No...you arent using a tripod with a bump stock and no...you arent using a bipod with a bump stock. You also arent using a targeting scope with a bump stock. You arent using a sniper pad and taking wind and meter measurements with a bump stock.

 

[ataraxia]

Did you look at that picture you posted? You should.

What you will see is that it isnt a 'bump stock' weapon. In fact there is no stock on the weapon at all.

A tripod is designed to provide a shooter accuracy and stability for a single shot. No...you arent using a tripod with a bump stock and no...you arent using a bipod with a bump stock. You also arent using a targeting scope with a bump stock. You arent using a sniper pad and taking wind and meter measurements with a bump stock.

Well isn't it great news that the right to bump stocks was infringed?

 

[VanceMack]

Well isn't it great news that the right to bump stocks was infringed?

Why?





There were around 600k bumpfire stocks known in circulation before they were impacted. How many have you heard about being a problem and what difference do you think it makes?

 

[notquiteright]

Yep, and that certainly does not mean allowing the government to place restrictions on magazine capacity.

If we are being honest, the Founder's weapons lack magazines. Technically you can still have the firearm no matter the mag cap...

The you tube 'ex-spurt' plays out myths. True many times civilians showed up to fight with their privately owned firearms. These were shotguns and smooth bore muskets (glorified shotguns when it comes to accuracy) Time after time these civilians were driven from the field by British Regulars. 18th century warfare had the two sides packed shoulder to shoulder so the volley of round balls has a chance to hit. The range was very close. Professional troops fixed bayonets and charged. The militia (if it can be called that) lacked this essential feature so receiving the bayonet charge was fatal. Many times the militia fled before the British troops could close.

Not until the militias were STATE organized and issued MILITARY arms did the civilians begin to hold their own- training would be an issue till the very end.

The myth weavers like to pretend owning a military style weapon protects the citizenry from dictators, but fact is owning vs being able to stand up to intense combat and fire fights. There is a bit more to surviving a modern fire fight (much less winning) than firearm ownership and watching John Wayne war movies. Though I did get a chuckle out of very essential element of an 18th century weapon- the bayonet lug- being 'E-Vile', it would be extraordinary for anyone to be bayonetted in modern warfare.

Even with State (and local town) militia organizations the war record for militias is spotty at best. Google the Bladensburg races. I'd opine the Founding Fathers didn't fear their own government-they WERE the government and had to put down several revolts. Today our privately owned firearms are not for resisting the gubmint or invaders. They are for self defense from common criminals (ok some uncommon ones too)- you don't need 30 rounds, a 3 position selector switch, or for that matter a bayonet lug.

Oh ok, keep the lug... eace

 

[notquiteright]

There were around 600k bumpfire stocks known in circulation before they were impacted. How many have you heard about being a problem and what difference do you think it makes?

So how many need to die to be considered a problem??? eace

 

[apdst]

So you're saying a person cannot operated bump stock if it's fitted to a rifle that's mounted on a tripod ?

Exactly. The bumpstocks works off the rifle's recoil. If the rifle can't recoil, the bump stock isn't going to work. A tripod will stop the rifle's recoil.

 

[apdst]

So how many need to die to be considered a problem??? eace

How many people have died because of them?

 

[apdst]

If we are being honest, the Founder's weapons lack magazines. Technically you can still have the firearm no matter the mag cap...

The you tube 'ex-spurt' plays out myths. True many times civilians showed up to fight with their privately owned firearms. These were shotguns and smooth bore muskets (glorified shotguns when it comes to accuracy) Time after time these civilians were driven from the field by British Regulars. 18th century warfare had the two sides packed shoulder to shoulder so the volley of round balls has a chance to hit. The range was very close. Professional troops fixed bayonets and charged. The militia (if it can be called that) lacked this essential feature so receiving the bayonet charge was fatal. Many times the militia fled before the British troops could close.

Not until the militias were STATE organized and issued MILITARY arms did the civilians begin to hold their own- training would be an issue till the very end.

The myth weavers like to pretend owning a military style weapon protects the citizenry from dictators, but fact is owning vs being able to stand up to intense combat and fire fights. There is a bit more to surviving a modern fire fight (much less winning) than firearm ownership and watching John Wayne war movies. Though I did get a chuckle out of very essential element of an 18th century weapon- the bayonet lug- being 'E-Vile', it would be extraordinary for anyone to be bayonetted in modern warfare.

Even with State (and local town) militia organizations the war record for militias is spotty at best. Google the Bladensburg races. I'd opine the Founding Fathers didn't fear their own government-they WERE the government and had to put down several revolts. Today our privately owned firearms are not for resisting the gubmint or invaders. They are for self defense from common criminals (ok some uncommon ones too)- you don't need 30 rounds, a 3 position selector switch, or for that matter a bayonet lug.

Oh ok, keep the lug... eace

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say anything about firearms without magazines.

you don't need 30 rounds, a 3 position selector switch, or for that matter a bayonet lug.

I need those to achieve superior firepower, or at least parody of firepower and a bayonet if the attacker is too close, or I have a stoppage.

 

[vegas giants]

Exactly. The bumpstocks works off the rifle's recoil. If the rifle can't recoil, the bump stock isn't going to work. A tripod will stop the rifle's recoil.

Only of the tripod is engaged

 

[apdst]

Only of the tripod is engaged

The tripod prevents recoil. The bumpstock won't work without recoil.

 

[vegas giants]

The tripod prevents recoil. The bumpstock won't work without recoil.

It does not prevent recoil when it is folded up

 

[apdst]

It does not prevent recoil when it is folded up

Why have it, then?

 

[notquiteright]

How many people have died because of them?

How many did Paddock kill? He had a dozen weapons using a bump stock with him.... eace

 

[apdst]

How many did Paddock kill? He had a dozen weapons using a bump stock with him.... eace

You tell us. How many?

 

[Rexedgar]

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say anything about firearms without magazines.



I need those to achieve superior firepower, or at least parody of firepower and a bayonet if the attacker is too close, or I have a stoppage.

*parity*


I recommend a 30 minute laxative!


On second thought, maybe “parody” is what you meant!...........:lamo

 

[notquiteright]

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say anything about firearms without magazines. I need those to achieve superior firepower, or at least parody of firepower and a bayonet if the attacker is too close, or I have a stoppage.

Quibbling??? Imagine that.... :roll:

The weaponry of the 18th century didn't have magazines and no where does it say accessories for firearms.

No you WANT to have 'superior' firepower and how many burglars or muggers carry ARs??? Not even the NRA/ILA argues this... :roll:

Now do you own any weapons with a bayonet lug and do you routinely attach that bayonet??? (hell do you even own a bayonet???)

How dirty do you keep a civilian weapon and how crappy is your ammo you suffer stoppages???

30 years of owning an AK clone and 10 owning a DPMS 308 (no forward assist) have I had such issues. while at it, 20 years with a XD45.

Perhaps you have a training, not equipment issue.... eace

 

[VanceMack]

So how many need to die to be considered a problem??? eace

Death by automobile - 36,560

So...cars next?

or dont you care?

 

[apdst]

Quibbling??? Imagine that.... :roll:

The weaponry of the 18th century didn't have magazines and no where does it say accessories for firearms.

No you WANT to have 'superior' firepower and how many burglars or muggers carry ARs??? Not even the NRA/ILA argues this... :roll:

Now do you own any weapons with a bayonet lug and do you routinely attach that bayonet??? (hell do you even own a bayonet???)

How dirty do you keep a civilian weapon and how crappy is your ammo you suffer stoppages???

30 years of owning an AK clone and 10 owning a DPMS 308 (no forward assist) have I had such issues. while at it, 20 years with a XD45.

Perhaps you have a training, not equipment issue.... eace

And, you're incorrect. The idea of a repeating rifle, with a magazine existed as early as the 1750's.

Cookson repeater - Wikipedia

No you WANT to have 'superior' firepower

Hence my need for an AR15.

Now do you own any weapons with a bayonet lug and do you routinely attach that bayonet??? (hell do you even own a bayonet???)

Yes, yes and yes.

How dirty do you keep a civilian weapon and how crappy is your ammo you suffer stoppages???

Firearms malfunction. That's just reality.

Anyone that says they've never had a malfunction is either lying about owning a firearm, or just doesn't shoot enough.

 

[notquiteright]

You tell us. How many?

Paddock killed 58 and over 800 hurt in an attack that lasted 11 minutes and he fired over 1000 rounds according to the Los Vegas Police.

So I'll ask you how many need to die before bump stocks are an issue???? eace

 

[vegas giants]

Why have it, then?

You see it folds and unfolds. The bump stock comes off too. So you have options.

 

[ataraxia]

RE: bump stocks

There were around 600k bumpfire stocks known in circulation before they were impacted. How many have you heard about being a problem and what difference do you think it makes?

I don't know. It was president Trump who asked the ATF to outlaw them. Why don't you ask him?

 

[VanceMack]

RE: bump stocks



I don't know. It was president Trump who asked the ATF to outlaw them. Why don't you ask him?

Because he didnt make your comment...you did.

 

[apdst]

You see it folds and unfolds. The bump stock comes off too. So you have options.

Let's see.