What is really behind the hatred of the President?

[AlbqOwl]

It is obvious that the only reason Trump went with the birther thing was to Pander to the uneducated lower class. Presidents have been confirmed as being American citizens for decades and decades by the elections commission but this is only something educated people know. Trump Pander to the racists and Trump Pandered to the uneducated in our society.

Wasn't obvious to me. I took it as a genuine curiosity and probably a bit competitive just to see if he could accomplish something nobody else had been able to do. That is one character trait of the man that I believe is quite evident but is not necessarily a bad trait to have in a President.

So what evidence do you have that he was pandering to anybody?

 

[devildavid]

Donald J. Trump is a self made object of hatred.

 

[AlbqOwl]

So you dismiss my reasons as anti_Trump spin, and ask me again for reasons?

How about you give us a list of the things he's done or is trying to do that make you want to support him? And no I don't want a link to the WH compiled list of his "accomplishments".

You haven't given me any reasons. You just keep repeating the complaints that we all have heard ad nauseum ever since he started winning primaries.

Yes, I want to see some evidence--honestly presented with no embellishments in its full context--that would justify the unbridled contempt, disrespect, hatred that the left imposes on President Donald J. Trump.

Example: I have proof of numerous instances in which President Obama went before the American people on record saying "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" over and over and over again. This to sell a healthcare plan though he knew what he was telling us was a bald faced lie for many of us. Is there any instance in which President Trump has done something like that? THAT would be worthy of contempt.

Since so many of you keep reciting the talking points and absolutely nobody has come up with the evidence, I have to conclude that you have no evidence? Would that be fair to say do you think?

 

[Greenbeard]

I'm giving you every chance to explain what you have against Trump.

Indeed, and your question is premature.

Until you understand why racism is bad, you're not going to understand what anyone has against Trump.

Until you understand why xenophobia and ethnic scapegoating are bad, you're not going to understand what anyone has against Trump.

Until you understand why sexual assault is bad, you're not going to understand what anyone has against Trump.

Until you understand why Nazis aren't "good people" and why it's disturbing to see a U.S. president so openly celebrated by white supremacists, you're not going to understand what anyone has against Trump.

So your question is in vain. Without the necessary moral foundation in place, you're not going to understand the disgust most decent people have for this ogre. As it is, this thread seems like a exercise to get in some practice in Trump apologism. But it's hard to believe you need the practice.

 

[katzgar]

Wasn't obvious to me. I took it as a genuine curiosity and probably a bit competitive just to see if he could accomplish something nobody else had been able to do. That is one character trait of the man that I believe is quite evident but is not necessarily a bad trait to have in a President.

So what evidence do you have that he was pandering to anybody?

Ok
Trying to pretend something isnt reality when it is truly in fact reality is all trump was doing so that again he could pander to lower class racists looks like it worked.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

That's fair. But does it justify the unbridled anger, contempt, disrespect, hatred directed toward the man?

Liberty justifies "unbridled anger, contempt, disrespect, hatred" towards any politician and especially the president. If you cannot handle that type of liberty, perhaps you need a safe place to hide from the people expressing their liberty to say and question the president.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Indeed, and your question is premature.

Until you understand why racism is bad, you're not going to understand what anyone has against Trump.

Until you understand why xenophobia and ethnic scapegoating are bad, you're not going to understand what anyone has against Trump.

Until you understand why sexual assault is bad, you're not going to understand what anyone has against Trump.

Until you understand why Nazis aren't "good people" and why it's disturbing to see a U.S. president so openly celebrated by white supremacists, you're not going to understand what anyone has against Trump.

So your question is in vain. Without the necessary moral foundation in place, you're not going to understand the disgust most decent people have for this ogre. As it is, this threads seems like a exercise to get in some practice in Trump apologism. But it's hard to believe you need the practice.

Noted that you are trying to make me the problem here--it isn't working by the way--but you won't/can't/maybe never can answer the question. Trying to demonize me just reinforces the premise of the OP. And reinforces my opinion that there is little or no substantive foundation of ANY kind for the unbridled contempt, disrespect, hatred of the President even as his haters try to change the subject, divert, obfusicate, or pretend they have justification.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Liberty justifies "unbridled anger, contempt, disrespect, hatred" towards any politician and especially the president. If you cannot handle that type of liberty, perhaps you need a safe place to hide from the people expressing their liberty to say and question the president.

Really? Liberty justifies unbridled anger, contempt, disrespect, hatred? Are you sure that is what you intended to say? Or are you playing devil's advocate here?

 

[Greenbeard]

Noted that you are trying to make me the problem here--it isn't working by the way--but you won't/can't/maybe never can answer the question. Trying to demonize me just reinforces the premise of the OP. And reinforces my opinion that there is little or no substantive foundation of ANY kind for the unbridled contempt, disrespect, hatred of the President.

When your response to Trump's casual, opportunistic racism is "I would've done the same," there is literally no chance anyone is going to answer your question to your satisfaction.

I don't know if it's a blind spot specific to your obvious devotion to Trump or a broader issue with your world view, but it's fairly obvious that in this context at least you can't tell right from wrong. So what could anyone say to you that you wouldn't simply shrug off?

 

[ecofarm]

Perhaps except for the racist part. John McCain and Ted Cruz were both questioned on their credentials to be President.

False equivalence apologizing for racism. Your difficulty understanding criticism of Trump is because you don't see what's wrong with bigoted statements and actions. That's clear. You need a new OP, "please explain to me what's wrong with bigotry." That would be a good first step. Denial will not help you understand.

 

[PTF]

Quoting...
" The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it. "
To our President, all he will say is "Sticks and stones will...". I think we all know the rest.
Putin had made a comment complaining about President Trump not getting what he needs done because of this liberal hysteria. All of this doesn't bother President Trump. He'll continue doing what he's does best... taking care of the American citizens.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Quoting...
" The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it. "
To our President, all he will say is "Sticks and stones will...". I think we all know the rest.
Putin had made a comment complaining about President Trump not getting what he needs done because of this liberal hysteria. All of this doesn't bother President Trump. He'll continue doing what he's does best... taking care of the American citizens.

Putin won't stand for his employees being mocked!

 

[devildavid]

Honest answer:
Respect for the voter
Respect for the common man.
Respect for the soldier and the veteran.
Respect for the flag.
Respect for the National Anthem.
Respect for Christians, Jews, Muslims, and the religious values people hold.
Respect for America and its self interests.
Respect for language, borders, culture.
Honesty in what is wrong in this country and in the world and why it is wrong despite how politically incorrect it is to say so.
Belief in the values of the Founders that a people given maximum liberty will do more, accomplish more, and be greater than those who live under the dictates of authoritarian government ever can.
Understanding how bad laws and unnecessary regulation infringe on the people's ability to do more, accomplish more, and be greater.
A contempt for and refusal to bow to political correctness and the vicious scourge it has become in the country.
A belief that Supreme Court Justices should be bound by the Constitution and the existing law and should not be making law.
A belief that peace through strength is the only lasting peace.
Refusing to be blindly partisan.
Refusing to be blindly ideological.

You have no evidence that Trump embodies any of these.

 

[PTF]

Putin won't stand for his employees being mocked!

Time for the liberal media to move on as Putin is now old news.

 

[AlbqOwl]

AS OF NOW. . .

Numerous people have repeated the talking points, sound bites, and accusatory and ugly rhetoric describing the President that we all have heard ad nauseum ever since he first started winning primaries.

But so far, not one brave soul has been able to present honest evidence demonstrating that those talking points, sound bites, and accusatory and ugly rhetoric is justified.

Two or three legitimate 'sins' of the President have been mentioned, but when asked if that alone was enough to condemn him, nobody will admit that.

So alas, it appears the OP will go unanswered except for the few conservatives who frame it as it is. The left can't really accuse the President of any high crimes or misdemeanors or even anything substantive that is truly objectionable, but they hate him simply because he stands for so much that they don't. Which of course is why he was elected instead of Hillary.

I'm not sure how we convince people to play fair or be intellectually honest when it comes to President Trump so that we can start moving the country forward to fix some problems and get some good stuff done. Maybe there is so much ideological nonsense and partisan loyalty out there that it will be impossible.

But I will keep hoping. . .

 

[YorkshirePete]

I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?

What ARE you talking about?
No one I know hates Don.
They just think he's a con man.
You're interpretation of hate is in your probably made up mind
Hating is a waste of time.
Now, hate, have you seen the hill haters?
Almost always peppered with 4 letter insults

 

[Northern Light]

Otherwise, again I get it. You don't like Trump. You hold him in contempt. You think he is mean, evil, racist, bigoted or add in any of the other ugly adjectives used by the left. I fully understand that.

This right here betrays your agenda in this thread. You get a reasoned out response, and you respond to it with proscribed, categorical thinking that is typical of the polemicization of America. I brought up Trump being evil, racist, bigoted, and I'm not a member of the left -- but you did. Your deafness is a result of your own political bias, pride and denial. You create strawmen rather than looking beyond right vs left, which is the exact thing I was trying to do. Until Americans like yourself can come to reframe the discussion, it's not possible to really have one. You demonstrated in the OP that you are seeking answers but then your own programming prohibits you from seeing them.

If you want to know why people hate Trump and can't stand his ilk, look no further.

I see no reason to further qualify my opinion to you. Others will read and judge accordingly. Good day.

 

[YorkshirePete]

Time for the liberal media to move on as Putin is now old news.

Sounds like a typical trumpette who doesn't know the def of liberal.
Latin, free, for the individual and small gov.
Might help if you knew the def of the words you spout

 

[YorkshirePete]

This right here betrays your agenda in this thread. You get a reasoned out response, and you respond to it with proscribed, categorical thinking that is typical of the polemicization of America. I brought up Trump being evil, racist, bigoted, and I'm not a member of the left -- but you did. Your deafness is a result of your own political bias, pride and denial. You create strawmen rather than looking beyond right vs left, which is the exact thing I was trying to do. Until Americans like yourself can come to reframe the discussion, it's not possible to really have one. You demonstrated in the OP that you are seeking answers but then your own programming prohibits you from seeing them.

If you want to know why people hate Trump and can't stand his ilk, look no further.

I see no reason to further qualify my opinion to you. Others will read and judge accordingly. Good day.

Well stated.
No one I know hates trump or anyone. They just think he's a C grabber as they say in the ROW
That's reserved from our hill white high school venomous boys.
Dons uneducated cult never heard of accusing someone what you are guilty of

 

[PTF]

Sounds like a typical trumpette who doesn't know the def of liberal.
Latin, free, for the individual and small gov.
Might help if you knew the def of the words you spout

You misspelled trumpet but that's okay.

 

[YorkshirePete]

AS OF NOW. . .

Numerous people have repeated the talking points, sound bites, and accusatory and ugly rhetoric describing the President that we all have heard ad nauseum ever since he first started winning primaries.

But so far, not one brave soul has been able to present honest evidence demonstrating that those talking points, sound bites, and accusatory and ugly rhetoric is justified.

Two or three legitimate 'sins' of the President have been mentioned, but when asked if that alone was enough to condemn him, nobody will admit that.

So alas, it appears the OP will go unanswered except for the few conservatives who frame it as it is. The left can't really accuse the President of any high crimes or misdemeanors or even anything substantive that is truly objectionable, but they hate him simply because he stands for so much that they don't. Which of course is why he was elected instead of Hillary.

I'm not sure how we convince people to play fair or be intellectually honest when it comes to President Trump so that we can start moving the country forward to fix some problems and get some good stuff done. Maybe there is so much ideological nonsense and partisan loyalty out there that it will be impossible.

But I will keep hoping. . .

Why don't you list an example.
Does C grabber as they say in Europe qualify?
Or "my Vietnam was avoiding STDs "

 

[Kal'Stang]

It's because we're exhausted from the never ending onslaught of outright stupidity, ignorance on the issues and unbelievably childish behavior from Donald. The guy can't go 5 minutes without shooting himself in the dick politically and proving to everyone he's not equipped for the job he was elected for. Trump is burning bridges with our allies and enemies alike and making it embarrassing to be an American. This is not normal partisan politics. I didn't agree with either of the Bush's or Reagan, but they were at least rational adults that attempted to look out what's best for Americans and in that regard I respected them as our duly elected leaders.

I think that if after 18 months of daily shenanigans from Trump you're still completely baffled as to why most Americans loathe him, we should be worried about you and your observational abilities. Trump is completely unpalatable to anyone but his most feverish supporters and the real Americans are sick of it. This is NOT normal.

Exhausted? The left has been treating Trump the same since the day he announced that he was running. The day he won the primary the left went full on ballistic. The left never even attempted to give Trump a chance.

 

[YorkshirePete]

You misspelled trumpet but that's okay.

Thanks, I thought trumpette was the female

 

[Perotista]

So because he is unlikable justifies the unbridled anger, contempt, disrespect, hatred? Is that what you are saying?

What I'm saying is it didn't matter who won. The same hostility directed against Trump today would have been directed towards Hillary had she won. Only that hate would have been coming from a different crowd. This should be expected when both parties nominate candidates held in disdain by approximately 60% of all Americans.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Really? Liberty justifies unbridled anger, contempt, disrespect, hatred? Are you sure that is what you intended to say? Or are you playing devil's advocate here?

Yes, I mean to say liberty is more important than your whining.