What is really behind the hatred of the President?

[SmokeAndMirrors]

I see it. I recognize it. It is prevalent everywhere--among the Democrats in Congress and some Republicans, in the mainstream media, on social media, on message boards, etc. The President is stupid, ugly, hateful, racist, bigoted, sexist, inappropriate, arrogant, dangerous, etc. etc. etc. etc.

I get it.

But where is that coming from really?

Do all those people really believe Hillary was the better choice and think if they can destroy Trump they'll get somebody they can approve of? Or are they too partisan to see any positives in any conservative?

In what way is Trump a conservative? Or even remotely politically principled at all for that matter (please note: obviously the implication here is that I do believe actual conservatives have principles).

Do they get some kind of emotional satisfaction in singling out somebody to hate? Is using ugly imagery or 'clever' derogatory terms to describe him recreation for them?

Has it occured to you that some of us genuinely think he's bad for the country?

Do they think they look smart by dismissing all evidence to the contrary and continuing to recite the talking points to describe him as terrible, unacceptable even when it is intellectually dishonest to do so?

No, some people just think that the people who are ignoring the obvious might stop if they repeat it often enough. I personally am giving up hope on that theory. Ignoring the evidence as an act of will cannot be countered by knowledge.

Do they have no sense of justice or fair play when they are unwilling to acknowledge what was actually said or done and instead spin the accurate statement/situation into something they can attack?

Are you implying that it's "unfair" to voice an opinion about a leader in a democracy?

Is it impossible for them to see it any other way than from a highly prejudiced and biased leftist point of view?

I'm not a liberal, so... no. That's just what your pre-existing prejudice wants to believe.

Is it so impossible to support his idea or work with him to accomplish something good? How do rational people deal with such obvious fear that he might get credit for something good?

Has it occured to you some of us don't think he's done anything good to begin with?

And finally. . .

Is it possible to have a discussion about this in a civil, intelligent, philosophical manner that isn't derailed and destroyed by sound bites and other trollish methods?

Not when you're starting from the premise that your opponent is simply evil or only disagrees with you as a matter of ego. How ironic you accuse others of using trollish methods. So, would you like to try that again?

So from your best rational perspective, what is behind the hatred of President Donald J. Trump?

The fact that I think he is unfit to be president. It's that frickin' simple.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Nah its the same subject, just minus the "unbridled anger, contempt, disrespect, hatred" the OP has for the left. Your entire OP is nothing more than a trollish attack on the left. If I was on the left I would be offended. You set the tone right there and seem surprised now that many posters have called you on it. You cannot say all that crap and not expect someone to wtf.

The OP makes the delusional assumption that Trump is innocent of being an outright dickish president. The Trump base really likes it when Trump is being a dick and says mean things to the left.

And well it is the Trump supporters that call people snowflakes. It is hypocritical to attack anti-Trump people and complain about how they treat the president and his base.

If Trump and is base cannot take what they put out then they are bunch of hypocritical that think that they are the only people allowed to be all what you laid out in the OP.
Dont expect to be coddled, people are upset about what Trump is doing and saying. The only people still bitching about the election are Trump and his base.

But nothing to report as to exactly what he does or says that deserves the contempt, disrespect and hatred. Geez, I didnt realize how bad it was until I started this thread. This is amazing group think. So much to condemn, smear, verbally destroy, disrespect, hate. But not a single soul so far who can put into words exactly what his sins are.

 

[Rich123]

"I grab them by their ******s and I get away with it, because I'm a star." " Little Rocket man." How diplomatic. "Lock her up." But not Jared, Ivanka, Donald Junior and others for doing exactly the same thing. "I never said that" referring to the report that he said to the widow "He knew what he signed up for, but I guess it hurts anyway." But then Kelly says he told Trump to say that. Thus he disgraces a four star general who had no business being involved in it if Trump would have told the truth and apologized to the family. Not that I think Trump was wrong in that one instance but he was wrong for lying about it and fighting with a grieving family. Who fights with a grieving family? What is wrong with YOU for defending this man. Trying to spin this like it's some unreasonable hatred based personal bias. I didn't have to try hard for that amount. Do you want me to go further? Your a joke.

 

[jet57]

More recitation of the sound bites and assigned talking points. And still nobody has some up with a single complaint in its full context and related intellectually honestly to explain why he deserves the contempt, disrespect, and hatred. It is like everybody on the left hates him and tears him down because that is what they have been told to do, and they don't care that nobody has a reason to do it. At least one they would dare say in a public forum.

There are plenty of Republicans that feel the same way about Trump. Are they just hating him and tearing him down with on intellectual competency as well?

 

[AlbqOwl]

I always said from the very beginning that I wouldn't give Trump a chance and why. He ran a campaign saying Muslims should be banned and registered. As an immigrant and a member of the Muslim faith, I will NEVER give him a chance. I said that from day first, and I will always say it now. His campaign gave Muslims and many other groups in this country every reason to not give him a chance. I really think Trump supporters have no empathy or understanding of us to constantly insist otherwise.

The day after he won, I literally looked at all the Trump supporters around me and questioned how they felt about me being their coworker, their neighbor, etc.

I am not dumb. I know people often say things like, "Islam is not compatible with American values." How and I supposed to take that? How is my family supposed to take that? I can't give that kind of rhetoric a chance. I can't give a registry or a ban a chance.

How would you feel if a candidate for president wanted to ban and register Christians? That's unacceptable.

If he wanted to put a temporary travel ban on travelers from a predominantly Christian nation that was on the record as exporting terrorism until a means to vet and weed out the terrorists was in place, I would consider it a wise move. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't want that.

 

[AlbqOwl]

In what way is Trump a conservative? Or even remotely politically principled at all for that matter (please note: obviously the implication here is that I do believe actual conservatives have principles).



Has it occured to you that some of us genuinely think he's bad for the country?



No, some people just think that the people who are ignoring the obvious might stop if they repeat it often enough. I personally am giving up hope on that theory. Ignoring the evidence as an act of will cannot be countered by knowledge.



Are you implying that it's "unfair" to voice an opinion about a leader in a democracy?



I'm not a liberal, so... no. That's just what your pre-existing prejudice wants to believe.



Has it occured to you some of us don't think he's done anything good to begin with?



Not when you're starting from the premise that your opponent is simply evil or only disagrees with you as a matter of ego. How ironic you accuse others of using trollish methods. So, would you like to try that again?



The fact that I think he is unfit to be president. It's that frickin' simple.

Sorry but I don't respond to chopped up posts that destroy context and introduce a lot of diversion or straw men or whatever and are boring as hell to read. Thanks for understanding.

 

[Lovebug]

If he wanted to put a temporary travel ban on travelers from a predominantly Christian nation that was on the record as exporting terrorism until a means to vet and weed out the terrorists was in place, I would consider it a wise move. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't want that.

You should just give up. When people don't recognize their own hatred and see it as criticism, when they take one statement to judge an entire presidency, you might as well not waste your time.
People have made up their minds.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Sorry but I don't respond to chopped up posts that destroy context and introduce a lot of diversion or straw men or whatever and are boring as hell to read. Thanks for understanding.

I answered all of your questions directly.

If you did not want any answers to your questions, why did you ask them? Seems like a mighty trollish tactic to me.

 

[AlbqOwl]

There are plenty of Republicans that feel the same way about Trump. Are they just hating him and tearing him down with on intellectual competency as well?

I am pretty sure why those Republicans in the permanent political class hate him. He threatens to shake up the status quo that has made them or is making them unbelievably wealthy people and they definitely don't want that.

But this isn't a question directed at Republicans or Democrats or any other group other than anti-Trump people in general.

The question is what specifically has he done to deserve the unbridled contempt, disrespect, hatred? So far not a single anti-Trump person has even tried to answer that question. They just keep repeating the generalities of spin, sound bites, assigned talking points and attacking me whenever I ask for specifics.

Very predictable.

One or two folks have given respectful thoughtful responses from the left--several conseratives have given thought out coherant posts.

But the hard core anti-Trump people so far just keep repeating the list of assigned insults.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Sorry but I don't respond to chopped up posts that destroy context and introduce a lot of diversion or straw men or whatever and are boring as hell to read. Thanks for understanding.

Yeah you did the same to me.

That's just the real problem, as a Trump supporter you've built an alternative world of facts and reality itself, and any attempt to pick it apart will be met stonewall, because the thing is there is no way you are intellectually capable of taking on anything SmokeAndMirrors said there without the Trump fantasy world being ripped apart.

 

[AlbqOwl]

You should just give up. When people don't recognize their own hatred and see it as criticism, when they take one statement to judge an entire presidency, you might as well not waste your time.
People have made up their minds.

I don't think some think at all. I think they just parrot the assigned talking points, mantras, sound bites and they couldn't support what they are saying with anything substantive if their lives depended on it.

But I think the exercise is worth it if it accomplishes nothing more than encourage a few folks who aren't entirely brainwashed yet to think critically about it.

And I want to encourage those who like most of the President's agenda and share his vision, regardless of how they feel about him personally, to know they aren't alone and to speak out. If we allow the trolls and numbnuts and other haters to drown out reason and possibilities, none of us have a chance.

 

[eohrnberger]

I think that would have happened, anyway.

Hmm. Compare and contrast how the 'news' (political propaganda) media treated a far more reserved and establishment politician such as President Bush with how they treated President Obama, fawning all over him. Then compare and contrast how that same media is treating President Trump.

True to form, Trump gets a double helping of derision and disrespect from this media as he is neither an establishment politician nor reserved.

This is not to say that the media's, or others, criticism of Trump isn't legitimate. Some of it is. Yes, he is bombastic. Yes he always speak in superlatives about himself. Yes, he Tweets stream of consciousness which should have had greater consideration before being Tweeted. Yes, there are Legitimate criticisms of Trump, but the vast majority of the media aren't hammering away at those, they are hammering and yammering away at ridiculous ****, delicious innuendos from single instance anonymous sources.

My conclusion is that the media are leftists and unfairly treat any non-leftist based on their political preferences and agenda, left we forget that the vast majority of this national media is embedded in the two bi-coastal blue slivers.

That some of these media outlets have the audacity to call themselves 'unbiased' is a joke, just as much of a joke as they themselves are rapidly becoming, by their own hand no less, such delicious irony.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Yeah you did the same to me.

That's just the real problem, as a Trump supporter you've built an alternative world of facts and reality itself, and any attempt to pick it apart will be met stonewall, because the thing is there is no way you are intellectually capable of taking on anything SmokeAndMirrors said there without the Trump fantasy world being ripped apart.

And here's another one that just keeps affirming that my arguments are spot on.

 

[Lovebug]

I don't think some think at all. I think they just parrot the assigned talking points, mantras, sound bites and they couldn't support what they are saying with anything substantive if their lives depended on it.

But I think the exercise is worth it if it accomplishes nothing more than encourage a few folks who aren't entirely brainwashed yet to think critically about it.

And I want to encourage those who like most of the President's agenda and share his vision, regardless of how they feel about him personally, to know they aren't alone and to speak out. If we allow the trolls and numbnuts and other haters to drown out reason and possibilities, none of us have a chance.

I don't like Trump, at all; Bernie is my man. What I can't stand is the blind following a template of hatred and resistance and the outright bs. What's the prize these days for being a partisan fool?

 

[SheWolf]

If he wanted to put a temporary travel ban on travelers from a predominantly Christian nation that was on the record as exporting terrorism until a means to vet and weed out the terrorists was in place, I would consider it a wise move. I don't understand why anybody wouldn't want that.

It's the larger scope of the rhetoric. When people start saying, Islam and America are not compatible, "banning Muslims" is a matter of fearing all muslims, equating all muslims with terrorism. "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims." That kind of right wing talk has ramifications.

So there you have it. You asked how people could have such a negative attitude of Donald Trump, and I told you. You don't comprehend how other's feel about the rhetoric you support and you are totally unempathic about it.

My Mexican neighbors, feel the same.

We look at your party and Trump supporters, it's mostly all white people. We talk about the way we feel, and we are called snowflakes. That division is real, and it's not by our choice. It's not because we blindly dislike Trump and his supporters, it's because when we voice and concerns are scoffed at, mocked, dismissed, and ignored not only by the Trump Admin but by Trump supporters. I swear, I have had this conversation with a dozen other Trump supporters. It often leads to me getting told that I am brainwashed by the MSM or some kind of none sense. Again, I was never going to give Trump a chance, and I never will. He doesn't deserve that from me or any other group he insulted on his way to the White House.

The division in America, it's real and is going to stay the same. Unfortunately, this conversation proves it. We talk like we have two different presidents, but we don't, we have the same president, and you said a few months ago to me, that this respects everybody. I don't believe that. Ask around, and that's not true in the minds of many groups of people in the country.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I answered all of your questions directly.

If you did not want any answers to your questions, why did you ask them? Seems like a mighty trollish tactic to me.

No. You didn't. Just more of the usual sound bites, insults, talking points, that all the anti-Trump people have been posting again and again and again, but not a single example in its full context, intellectually honestly stated to show as an example of why all that contempt disrespect, and hatred is justified.

 

[apdst]

Hmm. Compare and contrast how the 'news' (political propaganda) media treated a far more reserved and establishment politician such as President Bush with how they treated President Obama, fawning all over him. Then compare and contrast how that same media is treating President Trump.

True to form, Trump gets a double helping of derision and disrespect from this media as he is neither an establishment politician nor reserved.

This is not to say that the media's, or others, criticism of Trump isn't legitimate. Some of it is. Yes, he is bombastic. Yes he always speak in superlatives about himself. Yes, he Tweets stream of consciousness which should have had greater consideration before being Tweeted. Yes, there are Legitimate criticisms of Trump, but the vast majority of the media aren't hammering away at those, they are hammering and yammering away at ridiculous ****, delicious innuendos from single instance anonymous sources.

My conclusion is that the media are leftists and unfairly treat any non-leftist based on their political preferences and agenda, left we forget that the vast majority of this national media is embedded in the two bi-coastal blue slivers.

That some of these media outlets have the audacity to call themselves 'unbiased' is a joke, just as much of a joke as they themselves are rapidly becoming, by their own hand no less, such delicious irony.

The Liberals see President Trump as the biggesr threat to their agenda, ever. It's because he isn't a member of the political class.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

No. You didn't. Just more of the usual sound bites, insults, talking points, that all the anti-Trump people have been posting again and again and again, but not a single example in its full context, intellectually honestly stated to show as an example of why all that contempt disrespect, and hatred is justified.

I don't know how many times you need to be shown Trump goading for nuclear war or laughing about molesting women to understand why we think he's unfit, but evidently we're not there yet.

At any rate, that isn't what you asked for. You asked, specifically, about the psychological source of why people are anti-Trump. I answered directly, at least for myself. And your only response was to just curl up in a ball and run away.

 

[Perotista]

They weren't very covert when Bush 43 was in office. Granted not nearly as crazed as they are now, but they made it clear which side they were on.

True, crazed is a good word for it. Problem is Trump gives the media with his tweets hip boots full of ammo to use.

 

[AlbqOwl]

It's the larger scope of the rhetoric. When people start saying, Islam and America are not compatible, "banning Muslims" is a matter of fearing all muslims, equating all muslims with terrorism. "Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims." That kind of right wing talk has ramifications.

So there you have it. You asked how people could have such a negative attitude of Donald Trump, and I told you. You don't comprehend how other's feel about the rhetoric you support and you are totally unempathic about it.

My Mexican neighbors, feel the same.

We look at your party and Trump supporters, it's mostly all white people. We talk about the way we feel, and we are called snowflakes. That division is real, and it's not by our choice. It's not because we blindly dislike Trump and his supporters, it's because when we voice and concerns are scoffed at, mocked, dismissed, and ignored not only by the Trump Admin but by Trump supporters. I swear, I have had this conversation with a dozen other Trump supporters. It often leads to me getting told that I am brainwashed by the MSM or some kind of none sense. Again, I was never going to give Trump a chance, and I never will. He doesn't deserve that from me or any other group he insulted on his way to the White House.

The division in America, it's real and is going to stay the same. Unfortunately, this conversation proves it. We talk like we have two different presidents, but we don't, we have the same president, and you said a few months ago to me, that this respects everybody. I don't believe that. Ask around, and that's not true in the minds of many groups of people in the country.

I get it. You hold him in contempt, disrespect, hate or whatever and want me to believe that everybody around you is the same. His vision is unimportant. It is politically correct to hate him.

But I know that many black, Hispanics, Mexican-Americans, black people, Muslims etc. don't hate him, but have the capacity to understand where he is coming from.

Many Mexican-Americans are as opposed to illegal immigrants as anybody else because they see how destructive it has become. Many Muslims understand that the President is actually trying to help the truly oppressed in Muslim countries where ISIS and groups like it are murdering and oppressing Muslims far more than any other people. Many black people are unwilling to be shackled on the liberal plantations any longer and realize that the President is right about the inner cities and what needs to happen to start fixing the problems.

Such people don't get bogged down in the petty stuff, the poorly phrased statement, the inadvertent stumble, that is going to happen to anybody who is in the public eye a great deal. They have the ability to look at the big picture and the possibilities and hope for a better deal that isn't made up of the same empty promises they have gotten from politicians most of their lives.

The vision offered by a non politician, non partisan, non ideologue, is very attractive to those of us who are no longer willing to just accept a status quo that serves so many so poorly.

 

[apdst]

True, crazed is a good word for it. Problem is Trump gives the media with his tweets hip boots full of ammo to use.

It isn't "ammo" for them to use. It's them working themselves up into a tizzy over his twitter comments.

I can't help but believe that he signs onto Twitter and says, "hold my beer...watch this"...lol

 

[Mustachio]

My rationale hatred of Donald Trump is that he's a liar, narcissistic womanizing bully who would do and say anything to get what he wants. All of those things are particular pet peeves of mine. Having to have the last word, name calling, exaggerating, egotistical, etc.

As a politician, were I a liberal one, I would try to work with him. I work with people I hate every day. I also would passionately block any attempt to remove him from office, because Pence would never need to work with Democrats to talk about he's the greatest President of all time. Trump might, because policy to him is about winning and losing, not the American people winning or losing. For instances of such, examine everything he's ever done and said since winning the election.

There are things I'm fine with him having done, but they're mostly things Obama would have done too, like the latest ISIS attacks.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I don't know how many times you need to be shown Trump goading for nuclear war or laughing about molesting women to understand why we think he's unfit, but evidently we're not there yet.

At any rate, that isn't what you asked for. You asked, specifically, about the psychological source of why people are anti-Trump. I answered directly, at least for myself. And your only response was to just curl up in a ball and run away.

I'm still here still listening to you reciting the assigned talking points and wondering whether, maybe if it was necessary to save your life, you could actually put one of your complaints into an actual honestly stated context to justify the complaint. I'm guessing that you could not.

 

[Perotista]

Trump hit back when the media hit him. He absolutely didn't start it.

But are you saying that the unbridled contempt, disrespect, and hatred of the president comes from Trump's failure to unite the Republicans and/or get the independents on his side? Does that really compute?

In my opinion he was elected because he is neither Republican nor Democrat nor any other partisan and he is no ideologue. He has no respect for a status quo that is not working for the American people and he doesn't care whether something has always been done a certain way. He is interested in solving problems, fixing what's broken, and doing what works--everything the permanent political class in Washington doesn't want and in a way that is against everything the neo-left in America preaches.

The American people are fed up with government and a neo-liberalism that is destroying us slowly but surely and are sick of politicians who are politically correct, poll tested, scripted and slick but who don't give flying fig for anybody other than their own benefit.

And it is because I think President Trump understand that and actually does want to do what is right and profitable to the country to do that provokes the rage from the status quo and politically correct left. He is not one of their own. And that is why they hate him.

The question is, is he doing and saying things that only his base appreciate or is it America as a whole. As of today the only way to tell is by the polls. Come November of next year after the midterms, we have the answer. Trump is certainly unconventional. While I agree that the Democrats hate him, perhaps hate is too strong a word. But they are in the mind frame to bring him down. But in the end it won't be the democrats that define his presidency or wins or loses elections to come. It'll be how independents view him, whether they side with Trump or against him. What is interesting is that they, independents don't like either political party. 55% of all independents view the congressional democrats in a very negative way while 59% of independents view the congressional Republicans negatively.

Close enough to last year in how Americans view Trump and Clinton. Still do.

 

[Jetboogieman]

I'm still here still listening to you reciting the assigned talking points and wondering whether, maybe if it was necessary to save your life, you could actually put one of your complaints into an actual honestly stated context to justify the complaint. I'm guessing that you could not.

You do realize he very rarely pays his contractors so you're unlikely to get paid the 5 cents a post you've been promised for your full throated defense of the idiot in chief right?