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What is a person entitled to demand having for free - paid for by other people working for them?

What is a person entitled to demand having for free - paid for by other people working for them?

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lwf said:
Why not have it withheld from your wages?
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Only an idiot has it withheld from their wages. That is a very bad investment.
 
Mason66 said:
Only an idiot has it withheld from their wages. That is a very bad investment.
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What are you talking about? It's mandatory. Do you have a job?
 
joko104 said:
As the Democrats now engage in picking between candidates who promise the most free stuff - meaning forcing other people work for them - what do you claim a person can demand other people buy for them?

MULTIPLE CHOICE POLL - check everything that you claim other people can demand you buy for them.
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The question should be: what should people have as rights.
 
lwf said:
What are you talking about? It's mandatory. Do you have a job?
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It is not mandatory. You can claim as many exemptions as you need so they don't take the money out, then invest that money all year earning interest and pay what you need to at the end of the year.

Paying up front for your taxes and then getting a refund, which has no interest paid on, is a bad investment.
 
Mason66 said:
It is not mandatory. You can claim as many exemptions as you need so they don't take the money out, then invest that money all year earning interest and pay what you need to at the end of the year.

Paying up front for your taxes and then getting a refund, which has no interest paid on, is a bad investment.
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Speaking of bad investments, people lose tons on what they thought was a good investment. I would surely hate to book a dual-loss, investment+taxes due. It would seem wiser to pay as you go. Considering it would be a piecemeal contribution to some fund or the other, how much interest do you think you will make if you went that route?
What I would like is a rate that is paid during the year(on payroll), and fulfills the tax obligation. I don't know why there has to be a true up every tax season.
Regards,
CP
 
@OP We have the 1st Amendment in the U.S., so obviously an individual has the right to demand everything be free. Whether or not that demand is accommodated or not is another issue.
 
joko104 said:
Inherently, the price of personal freedom is the price of personal responsibility. Eliminate personal responsibility turning it over to the government and to the exact same degree it will eliminate each our own personal freedom.
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Succinct and well stated. Rights come with responsibilities, not the other way around. I would add, if someone is doing the best they are able, and it still isn't enough, as fellow American's, they are worthy of our help.
Regards,
CP
 
concernedpuma said:
Speaking of bad investments, people lose tons on what they thought was a good investment. I would surely hate to book a dual-loss, investment+taxes due. It would seem wiser to pay as you go. Considering it would be a piecemeal contribution to some fund or the other, how much interest do you think you will make if you went that route?
What I would like is a rate that is paid during the year(on payroll), and fulfills the tax obligation. I don't know why there has to be a true up every tax season.
Regards,
CP
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My point was that it is a bad investment to pay in all year to get a big refund. The US does not pay you interest for using your money all year long.
 
You forgot all of the above which is how I voted. BTW, none of us really pays for others with our taxes at the federal level. At the state and local level it is true that tax payers must pay for services because there really is no other mechanism to get money. The federal government though has the power to create money. Use it for something good like improving the lives of us all.
 
Vadinho said:
You forgot all of the above which is how I voted. BTW, none of us really pays for others with our taxes at the federal level. At the state and local level it is true that tax payers must pay for services because there really is no other mechanism to get money. The federal government though has the power to create money. Use it for something good like improving the lives of us all.
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do you think that power to create money is unlimited?

isnt that created money "borrowed" from someone? and we are paying interest on it?

do you know what our interest payments in 2019 amount to? and our total revenue?

it is not a unending game to keep borrowing....our debt HAS to be serviced...and that interest payment keeps rising every year

and with rates as low as they have been, it is manageable...what happens when rates arent manageable anymore? and we revert back to prime rates @ 11-12% again

it has happened before....what then?
 
gdgyva said:
do you think that power to create money is unlimited?

isnt that created money "borrowed" from someone? and we are paying interest on it?

do you know what our interest payments in 2019 amount to? and our total revenue?

it is not a unending game to keep borrowing....our debt HAS to be serviced...and that interest payment keeps rising every year

and with rates as low as they have been, it is manageable...what happens when rates arent manageable anymore? and we revert back to prime rates @ 11-12% again

it has happened before....what then?
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The payment of the interest is paid in the same way as everything else, its an entry in a ledger resulting in a keystroke. If we want more money, it is there for us to get. There is nothing set in stone regarding interest payments. We could set it up without paying interest if we wanted to, its just that bankers set it up this way back in the early 1900s so we would always pay interest to get money.
 
joko104 said:
As the Democrats now engage in picking between candidates who promise the most free stuff - meaning forcing other people work for them - what do you claim a person can demand other people buy for them?

MULTIPLE CHOICE POLL - check everything that you claim other people can demand you buy for them.
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I don't believe in entitlements, or rights, or objective morality. What I do believe in are policies that best benefit the people. And if requires higher taxes in the rich to benefit the people, then so be it. If those taxes will backfire and hurt the people more than it helps them, then I oppose them.
 
Vadinho said:
The payment of the interest is paid in the same way as everything else, its an entry in a ledger resulting in a keystroke. If we want more money, it is there for us to get. There is nothing set in stone regarding interest payments. We could set it up without paying interest if we wanted to, its just that bankers set it up this way back in the early 1900s so we would always pay interest to get money.
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so the debt payments NEVER have to be made...that is your response?

really?

do you understand what happens if the bonds are defaulted upon?
 
This is how low the nature of Political debate has gone.Not to be confused with
the really good Robert Duval/Bill Murray movie - Get Low - { 2009 }
The year Obama the Meek took over America.
There are only a few things an American should have the right for free.
Free representation as far as a member of congress and Free Speech
and possibly Free air.Little else.Freedom of Movement,maybe.
Also Free advice as in first visit to a lawyer.
Education is not Free.Property taxes pay for it.
Food,Housing or Shelter and clothes should never be free.
Protection as with the Police should be free,but City hall has to budget for.
A bed in a shelter should be free but only with strings attached.
Soup Kitchens ... same deal.
 
gdgyva said:
so the debt payments NEVER have to be made...that is your response?

really?

do you understand what happens if the bonds are defaulted upon?
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You mean like when Obama had the novel Idea'r to make hisself the Car Czar.
Took over GM.Those GMAC Bond holders had to settle for 2o cents on the dollar.
Ford,conversely,made no such arrangement with Mr. Car Czar.
 
gdgyva said:
so the debt payments NEVER have to be made...that is your response?

really?

do you understand what happens if the bonds are defaulted upon?
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I never said don't pay them. I said the money to pay them can be created out of thin air anytime we decide to do it.
 
foolardi said:
You mean like when Obama had the novel Idea'r to make hisself the Car Czar.
Took over GM.Those GMAC Bond holders had to settle for 2o cents on the dollar.
Ford,conversely,made no such arrangement with Mr. Car Czar.
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Well corporate debt has a risk, they paid it. A conservative would worry about paying bond holders. A liberal worries about paying people and keeping them in jobs.
 
foolardi said:
You mean like when Obama had the novel Idea'r to make hisself the Car Czar.
Took over GM.Those GMAC Bond holders had to settle for 2o cents on the dollar.
Ford,conversely,made no such arrangement with Mr. Car Czar.
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those are company bonds

completely different than sovereign bonds

company goes belly up, the investors take it in the shorts

the USA doesnt pay for its bonds, the world enters an immediate depression...and the financial markets collapse

the worlds currencies are mostly backed by the dollar...if there is a threat that the USA will not meet its obligations, it will be financial armageddon
 
Vadinho said:
I never said don't pay them. I said the money to pay them can be created out of thin air anytime we decide to do it.
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your quote "The payment of the interest is paid in the same way as everything else, its an entry in a ledger resulting in a keystroke. If we want more money, it is there for us to get. There is nothing set in stone regarding interest payments. We could set it up without paying interest if we wanted to, its just that bankers set it up this way back in the early 1900s so we would always pay interest to get money."

Exactly....what did you mean by that statement
 
gdgyva said:
your quote "The payment of the interest is paid in the same way as everything else, its an entry in a ledger resulting in a keystroke. If we want more money, it is there for us to get. There is nothing set in stone regarding interest payments. We could set it up without paying interest if we wanted to, its just that bankers set it up this way back in the early 1900s so we would always pay interest to get money."

Exactly....what did you mean by that statement
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I mean that our entire banking system was created to favor banks. It is a system created by bankers to reward bankers. People do not truly grasp how fixed the system is in favor of bankers and interest. I have few hopes it will ever change but it could if all of us finally said enough is enough. Did you know that the Catholic Church forbid interest up until sometime in the 1300s or so? Why? Because the ancients understood that if you allow money to be lent at interest, one never can escape it.
 
gdgyva said:
your quote "The payment of the interest is paid in the same way as everything else, its an entry in a ledger resulting in a keystroke. If we want more money, it is there for us to get. There is nothing set in stone regarding interest payments. We could set it up without paying interest if we wanted to, its just that bankers set it up this way back in the early 1900s so we would always pay interest to get money."

Exactly....what did you mean by that statement
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Doesn't necessarily work that a way.Take Greece for example.Banks could not make a go
of it w/o having negative Interest rates.Meaning you pay the Bank for letting it store your
money as in Savings or Checking accounts.Thankfully that phenonema dint work but in
a few places in Europe.But It was headed to the U.S.A.
If not for the Election of Donald Trump it may have took root here.
Hillary sure enough wouldn't give a crap.Her Clinton Foundation was used to pay itself
their own salaries.Like 90 % of their operating costs went to paying Clinton salaries
and expenses.Around 10% or less ended up going to charities.
There are no more Andrew Carnegie.He promised to only take a meager salary in order
to live normally.President Trump forgo'd his Presidential salary.
 
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