What is a person entitled to demand having for free - paid for by other people working for them?

[concernedpuma]

Publically funded is not free. You people claim these policies are giving stuff away for free then in the same argument complain that it costs too much. Which is it?

Quite truthfully, if it is on someone else's dime, it can be both free and at the same cost time too much for those who had no prior interest or
obligation. If I avoid the Fair, but have to pay for someone else's ride, that surely seems wrong, doesn't it?
Regards,
CP

 

[phattonez]

As the Democrats now engage in picking between candidates who promise the most free stuff - meaning forcing other people work for them - what do you claim a person can demand other people buy for them?

MULTIPLE CHOICE POLL - check everything that you claim other people can demand you buy for them.

Any working American (or those willing to work) deserves to have decent food, housing, and medical care, especially in a country as wealthy as ours. The fact that this isn't happening and that people are going into debt just to meet basic needs is a travesty of justice.

By the way, your local public library is paid for by other people. I guess you'd want to dispense with that?

 

[phattonez]

Also, could you tell me why we should make a single mother of two work 8 hours a day running a cash register for $7/hour when it costs her $10/hr to send her two kids to day care? If a day care can charge $10/hour to watch your kids for you and that's considered legitimate work then why don't you consider a single mother watching her own children 24 hours a day to be "working?"

Because establishment conservatives are pro-corporation first. The pro-family stuff is rhetoric.

If you were pro-family, you'd support higher wages, better working conditions, and a lower cost of living. Of course, you'd also be anti-immigration, pro-tariff, and pro-life. Neither political party is pro-family, based on these qualifications.

 

[phattonez]

And just what enables her to make such a 'promise?' Was she planning on putting millions of people to work and paying them herself? No, I dont think so. So what sort of 'work' does she have in mind and from where does she expect to get the money to pay people to do, well, something?

There's a lot of good reasons to criticize Cortez. This isn't one. We've had millions of people out of work for more than a decade now, and millions more underemployed. I see no problem with a universal jobs guarantee where we give people a good decent paying job for infrastructure work and beautifying communities. Of course, this also presupposes that we dispense with welfare. A $15 per hour guaranteed job puts upward pressure on wages, gets us the infrastructure we need, decreases fraud, increases social outcomes (lower crime), and in general makes society a better place.

 

[concernedpuma]

Any working American (or those willing to work) deserves to have decent food, housing, and medical care, especially in a country as wealthy as ours. The fact that this isn't happening and that people are going into debt just to meet basic needs is a travesty of justice.

By the way, your local public library is paid for by other people. I guess you'd want to dispense with that?

I would only offer a change from willing to able. Otherwise, yes sir. We are a wealthy country and those who do their best are our best citizens. We ought support and protect our best citizens.
Regards,
CP

 

[concernedpuma]

There's a lot of good reasons to criticize Cortez. This isn't one. We've had millions of people out of work for more than a decade now, and millions more underemployed. I see no problem with a universal jobs guarantee where we give people a good decent paying job for infrastructure work and beautifying communities. Of course, this also presupposes that we dispense with welfare. A $15 per hour guaranteed job puts upward pressure on wages, gets us the infrastructure we need, decreases fraud, increases social outcomes (lower crime), and in general makes society a better place.

the real question is why do we geographically removed from her district care what she thinks? I am beginning to fear that some of my favorite news outlets are using her simplistic outbursts to tar well meaning members of the Democratic party. I am a Republican and seldom agree with the complete Democratic party platform, but they aren't nearly as ignorant as she comes across.
Regards,
CP

 

[phattonez]

I would only offer a change from willing to able. Otherwise, yes sir. We are a wealthy country and those who do their best are our best citizens. We ought support and protect our best citizens.
Regards,
CP

I have no sympathy for those who are able and choose not to work. I'm in favor of a universal job guarantee to cover exactly those people who are out of work because of economic conditions and not by choice.

 

[phattonez]

the real question is why do we geographically removed from her district care what she thinks? I am beginning to fear that some of my favorite news outlets are using her simplistic outbursts to tar well meaning members of the Democratic party. I am a Republican and seldom agree with the complete Democratic party platform, but they aren't nearly as ignorant as she comes across.
Regards,
CP

She's an easy target because she's young and has awful ideas on immigration/sovereignty, etc. The large companies that own our news outlets love setting her up for attack on precisely those issues that she's most correct about!

 

[concernedpuma]

I have no sympathy for those who are able and choose not to work. I'm in favor of a universal job guarantee to cover exactly those people who are out of work because of economic conditions and not by choice.

I would have to know more about how we could guarantee a job, but if it is self funding, I say go with it.
Regards,
CP

 

[phattonez]

I would have to know more about how we could guarantee a job, but if it is self funding, I say go with it.
Regards,
CP

Take your welfare spending and use it on a job guarantee instead for able bodied, adult men. The elderly, the injured, and mothers should be exempt from a job requirement.

Further, end the practice of giving any welfare at all to those who work. The job guarantee should have a wage high enough that companies increase their wages to the point that their employees no longer need welfare. The idea that companies as wealthy as Amazon and McDonalds and Wal-Mart have employees that use welfare is ludicrous. They don't need our subsidies. They need to pay their employees better.

 

[concernedpuma]

She's an easy target because she's young and has awful ideas on immigration/sovereignty, etc. The large companies that own our news outlets love setting her up for attack on precisely those issues that she's most correct about!

I agree, but would include liberal outlets that present her as a valid voice and the new direction of the Democratic party. They too are looking for rebounds. It is so very unfortunate that we as a nation have a reached a low that requires paying attention to radicals on either side.
Regards,
CP

 

[uptower]

Morally nobody is entitled to a free ride. There will always be those who abuse welfare systems. However as a society, with the stated goal of living together and supporting one another there will always be those in need who cannot manage for themselves. They may be old, sick, recovering from mental illness or addiction. I won't strictly say free, sometimes subsidised is fine - but as a society in order to keep the peace and give everyone a chance, I don't mind seeing my tax dollars going into a fair amount of entitlements.

I'm also a fan of work requirements, means testing and other schemes to wean people off welfare however. There has to be a certain amount of give and take or we end up like some countries with high levels of desperation and resulting crime statistics.

 

[concernedpuma]

Take your welfare spending and use it on a job guarantee instead for able bodied, adult men. The elderly, the injured, and mothers should be exempt from a job requirement.

Further, end the practice of giving any welfare at all to those who work. The job guarantee should have a wage high enough that companies increase their wages to the point that their employees no longer need welfare. The idea that companies as wealthy as Amazon and McDonalds and Wal-Mart have employees that use welfare is ludicrous. They don't need our subsidies. They need to pay their employees better.

Got ya, but I don't know who is going to make those folks work, who are just not going to do that. That pool of folks are likely what has kept us from fixing the problem in the past. I recognize that there are those(probably both you and I) that want to help, but refuse to be used. How do we address that?
Regards,
CP

 

[phattonez]

Got ya, but I don't know who is going to make those folks work, who are just not going to do that. That pool of folks are likely what has kept us from fixing the problem in the past. I recognize that there are those(probably both you and I) that want to help, but refuse to be used. How do we address that?
Regards,
CP

"If a man will not work, neither shall he eat."

 

[concernedpuma]

"If a man will not work, neither shall he eat."

Brother, I am with you. What I am concerned with is not so much the man who won't work, but instead his progeny. I can tell from your writings that you are not that cold. But, then, how we do protect the children of the lazy bum?
Regards,
CP

 

[phattonez]

Brother, I am with you. What I am concerned with is not so much the man who won't work, but instead his progeny. I can tell from your writings that you are not that cold. But, then, how we do protect the children of the lazy bum?
Regards,
CP

A father's primary role is to provide for and protect his children. If he is unwilling to do this, then his children will become the wards of the state.

 

[Waddy]

A father's primary role is to provide for and protect his children. If he is unwilling to do this, then his children will become the wards of the state.

We call that situation single mothers.

 

[CommunityStanda]

The Democratic party destroyed the trade unions with mass illegal immigration. They so much want to trash working class wages they literally have cities that hide illegal migrants to keep wages as low as possible. The Democratic Party is the worst enemy working people ever had.

You can say that again.

 

[CommunityStanda]

People who receive money from the government without working for it should be forced into labor camps to fix our infrastructure as a repayment to the government.

 

[CommunityStanda]

Brother, I am with you. What I am concerned with is not so much the man who won't work, but instead his progeny. I can tell from your writings that you are not that cold. But, then, how we do protect the children of the lazy bum?
Regards,
CP

Take away his children and put them up for adoption by people who work hard for their money.

 

[it's just me]

As the Democrats now engage in picking between candidates who promise the most free stuff - meaning forcing other people work for them - what do you claim a person can demand other people buy for them?

MULTIPLE CHOICE POLL - check everything that you claim other people can demand you buy for them.

"Promise" is the operative word. They have no intention of "giving" anybody anything.

 

[DaveFagan]

As the Democrats now engage in picking between candidates who promise the most free stuff - meaning forcing other people work for them - what do you claim a person can demand other people buy for them?

MULTIPLE CHOICE POLL - check everything that you claim other people can demand you buy for them.

They are entitled to their share of the patrimony of the Nation. Oil sales, timber sales, land sales, mining rights, minerals, etc.
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[Lovebug]

Food
Housing
Medical care
Prescription drugs
Electricity
air conditioning and heat

basically life's necessities. I don't want to be responsible for someone becoming ill or dying because they lack the above mentioned. While ac/heat may seem as a luxury to some, denying such is cruel.
Ideally, those receiving help should be willing to give something back, to the best of their ability. I draw the line at lazy leeches who are able bodies and have choices.

 

[Serenity]

I work and pay my share of taxes without complaint as I'm fine with helping those less fortunate than myself. I certainly wasn't raised to be a selfish asshole. We always understood that we were so fortunate in many ways. A loving enviroment with food on the table and a roof over our heads which is so much more than some folks have.

I also understand that peoples lives can be changed in an instant. I can't think of one good reason why we shouldn't help those who need assistance. That could be every one of us one day.

 

[Mason66]

Also, could you tell me why we should make a single mother of two work 8 hours a day running a cash register for $7/hour when it costs her $10/hr to send her two kids to day care? If a day care can charge $10/hour to watch your kids for you and that's considered legitimate work then why don't you consider a single mother watching her own children 24 hours a day to be "working?"

Who made her become a single mother of two?