We Already Know There Was Collusion

[What if...?]

At the risk of seeming sardonic, it's plausible that Trump is too stupid to have known "what was what" regarding the nature of the collusion that transpired and of which he was a part.

Yes.

I've been saying he was just a literal "useful idiot" for some time.

I won't be surprised to see some of trumpco get the "Hillary pass" because what they got from the Russians for free was just the same thing people pay companies like Fusion GPS for.

Nobody in politics and nobody in the media wants to talk about it because they all depend on it.

 

[What if...?]

This must be nothing but a big fat troll thread. We all know the big "Russian collusion" story was untrue and unproven.
There is no Russian collusion! Who did Muller charge with Russian collusion? waiting.... Crickets.......

Nobody is going to he hmcharged with "collusion".

If anybody is charged it will be "conspiracy" which is criminal "collusion".

 

[Fletch]

I didn't realize that you received an advanced copy of Mueller's report to base that conclusion.

I don’t know what’s in the report. I don’t want to speculate on what the worst-case scenario might be. But we do know that the special counsel had been investigating whether the president obstructed justice when he fired James B. Comey, then the F.B.I. director, in May 2017.

Mr. Mueller had also been examining Mr. Trump’s ties to Russia and whether anybody associated with his campaign conspired with the Russians during the 2016 election. Mr. Mueller’s investigation led to charges against more than 30 people, so far. This report has an importance that goes well beyond partisan politics, reflecting an investigation that yielded substantial results -- not least in establishing the degree of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Don’t forget that half a dozen Trump aides have been indicted or convicted.

Explain how a charge of collusion or conspiracy can be demonstrated when Mueller has indicted no one for conspiracy. You want to believe trump colluded/conspired? Explain how that happened without co-conspirators.

 

[Fletch]

Nobody is going to he hmcharged with "collusion".

If anybody is charged it will be "conspiracy" which is criminal "collusion".

Yet no one has. How come?

 

[Fletch]

At the risk of seeming sardonic, it's plausible that Trump is too stupid to have known "what was what" regarding the nature of the collusion that transpired and of which he was a part.

And yet Mueller has charged no one with conspiracy and it seems no one will be. So, at the risk of seeming sardonic, it's plausible that democrats are too stupid to have ever understood that no collusion took place in spite of the fact that people on the right have spent two years trying to get you guys to understand.

 

[pinqy]

No, the witch hunt was pretending their was a link between Trump and these Russians.

The investigation was about “links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump...”

I believe that unreported contacts between individuals with access to the President or classified information and a foreign government or its agents is s big problem. Especially when the individuals lie or mislead U.S. intelligence about those contacts.

 

[Xelor]

Yes.

I've been saying he was just a literal "useful idiot" for some time.

I won't be surprised to see some of trumpco get the "Hillary pass" because what they got from the Russians for free was just the same thing people pay companies like Fusion GPS for.

Nobody in politics and nobody in the media wants to talk about it because they all depend on it.

Red:
What? Is the underlying premise of your "red" remark that the public, in the main, is, in contravention of federal law, indifferent about foreign contributions to US federal/presidential election campaigns?

 

[dobieg]

So you've seen the report? What's in it?

No indictments for colluding with Russia?

 

[Athanasius68]

The investigation was about “links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump...”

I believe that unreported contacts between individuals with access to the President or classified information and a foreign government or its agents is s big problem. Especially when the individuals lie or mislead U.S. intelligence about those contacts.

Well, then we have reduced the outrage to Mr. Flynn, who was NSC director for all of about two weeks and misled folks during the transition, not the campaign.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign AND the Obama Admin used information from anonymous Russian sources to open up an investigation on its political opponent.

I mean if we are going to start fretting about unknown foreign influences on American government, that's exhibit 1.

 

[Fletch]

Well, then we have reduced the outrage to Mr. Flynn, who was NSC director for all of about two weeks and misled folks during the transition, not the campaign.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign AND the Obama Admin used information from anonymous Russian sources to open up an investigation on its political opponent.

I mean if we are going to start fretting about unknown foreign influences on American government, that's exhibit 1.

Liberals dont care about that. They dont even care about Russian interference. If they did, they would be outraged over Putins involvement in the dossier.

 

[joko104]

The clintons and Uranium one again. Look when the report gets leaked, or sent to congress and shared and made public, there won't be any mention of Uranium One.

Don't you believe the report will talk about Trump involved in "collusion?"

My point is simple. You don't actually care about collusion and dealing with Russia. You only care about hating President Trump.

 

[Grand Mal]

No, the witch hunt was pretending their was a link between Trump and these Russians.

Nobody involved in the investigation did that. Not to my knowledge. Do you still call Mueller a witch-hunter? Do you think the investigation shouldn't have happened?

 

[What if...?]

Red:
What? Is the underlying premise of your "red" remark that the public, in the main, is, in contravention of federal law, indifferent about foreign contributions to US federal/presidential election campaigns?

I see folks talking about what the Russians did (minus the hacking) in conferences I operate the AV gear on all the time. "Opposition research" is a multibillion dollar industry. Bots, fake accounts, etc. Its talked about pretty openly in marketing. Much quieter in politics and corporate PR.

Personally I don't think it should be legal to exploit my hardwiring to manipulate folks. The things you can't really learn to screen coming in as they're cognitive "glitches". And no one is going to teach us how to do what can be done because it would cost the media ad revenue and put a bunch of poly sci people out of work. Make it harder for places like sea world to implement the next "crisis management" program when they screw up.

We spent a lot of time talking about collusion and little talking about what and how the trolls wicked with our election. Probably intentionally. If folks get mad at the Russians for doing it...

 

[Mongidig]

The libs loved Comey then hated Comey. Then they loved Mueller and now they hate Mueller. Do you see a pattern?

Do you think the liberals need to look inward as to where the problem lies?

 

[madasheck]

Supposedly , there are no more seal indictments.

The investigations aren't over.

 

[madasheck]

Liberals dont care about that. They dont even care about Russian interference. If they did, they would be outraged over Putins involvement in the dossier.

Where did you get the silly idea that no one cared about that?

 

[uptower]

Don't you believe the report will talk about Trump involved in "collusion?"

My point is simple. You don't actually care about collusion and dealing with Russia. You only care about hating President Trump.

What you think of me is unimportant. The topic here is the potential contents of the report.

I expect the report will address whatever went on at the Trump Tower meetings and any others involving campaign officials and russian agents. What was discussed in these meeting will or will not amount to various forms of conspiracy. Manafort has already been convicted under this.

The word 'collusion' is merely a catchall used by the media unlikely to appear as a legal term in the report. Conspiracy is the word to look out for - which actually sounds far worse.

 

[RAMOSS]

The investigations aren't over.

The investigations aren't totally over, yes.. but most of that will be state level and the SDNY.

 

[madasheck]

The investigations aren't totally over, yes.. but most of that will be state level and the SDNY.

And plenty of problems could still be in the works for the Trump mob family.

 

[Common Sense 1]

The libs loved Comey then hated Comey. Then they loved Mueller and now they hate Mueller. Do you see a pattern?

Do you think the liberals need to look inward as to where the problem lies?

Don't forget McCain.... They loved McCain, then they hated him and now they love him again because they can use him to hate president Trump! The big circle

 

[rocket88]

Don't forget McCain.... They loved McCain, then they hated him and now they love him again because they can use him to hate president Trump! The big circle

And Republicans lived him in 2008, but then Trump told them to hate him, so now they do. Because partisans have zero brains.

 

[rocket88]

The investigations aren't over.

Trumpettes loved Cohen now they hate him. Trumpettes loved George W. Bush, now they hate him. Yeah, there's a pattern and righties are equally stupid. Congratulations

 

[ludin]

It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."

do you care to recant now?

"The Special Counsel did not find that any U.S. person or Trump campaign official or associate conspired or knowingly coordinated" with Russians who worked on those hacking efforts, according to Barr's letter, "despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

Aaccording to Barr's letter, "The special counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its effort" to interfere with the 2016 presidential election in that manner.

no there is no fact of collusion in fact there is no evidence of collusion at all.
you are 100% wrong.

also no evidence of obstruction either.

so you are wrong there as well.

 

[Integrityrespec]

It is more or less established fact now that the Trump Campaign colluded with foreign agents. What we're waiting on is answers as to what extent Trump himself knew about this and was involved, and therefore the reasons for the other thing we already know: why he has been obstructing justice the whole time.

From the first story:

"The president’s shouts of “no collusion” cannot be accurately applied to the man he picked to chair his campaign. Manafort was in cahoots with a fellow alleged to have ties with Russian intelligence, and through this person Manafort was apparently communicating with a Putin ally about a policy issue crucial for the Kremlin, as Putin was underhandedly assisting the Trump campaign. This all comes across as a secret orgy of back-scratching—that is, collusion."

I guess you forgot to pass your evidence along to Mueller.

 

[Integrityrespec]

And Republicans lived him in 2008, but then Trump told them to hate him, so now they do. Because partisans have zero brains.

Not all Republicans loved McCain. To honor the man for his service in the military and to believe he was a good Congressman or made good or bad decisions are two separate things. McCain wasn't my first or eve second pick to be the nominee for Republicans. I voted for him because he was the nominee and I prefer Republican/Conservative policies above Liberal/Democrats. I didn't care for how he ran his campaign, and I didn't like some of his voting decisions in the Senate.
To be fair, I think Trump should let the McCain thing go at this point. The two men did not like each other and I think both are to blame in that relationship.