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Try to look at Islam academically.

Islam and the ME were the epicentre of science and mathematics in the middle ages. Then religion and conservatism took over. History repeats itself in America as we speak.
 
stevecanuck said:
Are you saying you know Mohamed's teachings? I'm pretty sure you don't, and this thread is about Islam.
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I certainly do and you still dismiss anything with which you disagree no matter how well supported.

There's a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
 
stevecanuck said:
Are you saying you know Mohamed's teachings? I'm pretty sure you don't, and this thread is about Islam.
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I have clearly shown that the bible promotes violence as bad as anything from islam.


That's why Christian armies killed so many people
 
vegas giants said:
I have clearly shown that the bible promotes violence as bad as anything from islam.


That's why Christian armies killed so many people
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Where in the Christian Greek Scriptures would I find that?
 
Elvira said:
Where in the Christian Greek Scriptures would I find that?
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The old testament....followed by millions and millions of Christians to this day.
 
vegas giants said:
The old testament....followed by millions and millions of Christians to this day.
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That is specifically how God dealt/interacted with the nation of Israel, not Christians...those millions of Christians are not following Christ's teachings...
 
Elvira said:
That is specifically how God dealt/interacted with the nation of Israel, not Christians...those millions of Christians are not following Christ's teachings...
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In your opinion. They disagree. And for centuries they fought and killed under those teachings
 
vegas giants said:
In your opinion. They disagree. And for centuries they fought and killed under those teachings
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Find me one scripture...just one in the OT that says the 1st thing about Christians...:waiting:
 
Elvira said:
Find me one scripture...just one in the OT that says the 1st thing about Christians...:waiting:
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Ask the Christian's who killed in his name. Maybe they misinterpret what he meant.....just like ISIS does with islam.



And thus my point
 
Kiwimac said:
I certainly do and you still dismiss anything with which you disagree no matter how well supported.

There's a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
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Such as? You forgot that part.

Stay vague, my friend. That way you can feign having an argument.
 
vegas giants said:
I have clearly shown that the bible promotes violence as bad as anything from islam.


That's why Christian armies killed so many people
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You made a comparative statement. Implicit in that is enough knowledge of both things compared. And you don't have that.
 
vegas giants said:
Ask the Christian's who killed in his name. Maybe they misinterpret what he meant.....just like ISIS does with islam.



And thus my point
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Never said differently...but I did admit my lack of knowledge about ISIS and called you on yours about Christianity...
 
vegas giants said:
The old testament....followed by millions and millions of Christians to this day.
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The OT is also believed by Muslims. In fact, and of course your extensive knowledge of Islam should have told you this, the first chronological 2/3 of the Qur'an is exclusively a rehash of the OT. But, like I said, you know that. Right?
 
stevecanuck said:
The OT is also believed by Muslims. In fact, and of course your extensive knowledge of Islam should have told you this, the first chronological 2/3 of the Qur'an is exclusively a rehash of the OT. But, like I said, you know that. Right?
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Why rehash it? Why not just accept the OT?


Because they do not accept the OT
 
vegas giants said:
Why rehash it? Why not just accept the OT?


Because they do not accept the OT
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Wow. Not only is your ignorance of Islam total, but you seem to have no qualms about displaying it. Un-frigging-believable.

Anyway, now that you've exposed without doubt your utter lack of knowledge, I free you to blather to your hearts content, but not here.
 
stevecanuck said:
Wow. Not only is your ignorance of Islam total, but you seem to have no qualms about displaying it. Un-frigging-believable.

Anyway, now that you've exposed without doubt your utter lack of knowledge, I free you to blather to your hearts content, but not here.
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Ahhhhh. Got you. You have no response. Ask any muslim if they accept the OT as the word of god.


Dude....busted. lol
 
Visbek said:
You can start by looking at what the VAST majority of Muslims are doing today, which is leading peaceful lives. There are almost a billion Muslims in the world, and only a tiny handful are engaged in violence -- and it's actually almost all political violence, where religion is primarily a proxy. (That was also the case with many of the endless wars involving and between Christians in Europe.)

We should note that it wasn't long ago that Westerners shared many of the social mores that we claim to find reprehensible in today's extreme Muslims. Many right-wingers and social conservatives still choke on civil rights, especially women's rights; long for a fantasy world in which Christians were so dominant they could use government to impose their religion on others; some are now advocating the use of government power to enforce their own Christian morality on others (e.g. William Barr, Sohrab Ahmari) or trying to withdraw from mainstream politics to set up their own little Christian theocracies (SSPX in Kansas).

Those radical Islamist groups, by the way, aren't all that much worse than extreme right-wing groups, which routinely incorporate their Christian identity into their violent and terrorist activities. There are lots of Christian white supremacist groups in the US, for example, that want to start a race war and/or take over entire sovereign nations.

And of course, so far Muslim groups haven't engaged in the kind of large-scale genocide we saw committed by Christians for much of their history, most obviously during WWII. In fact, through the centuries, Christians have committed a large share of genocides, and Muslims have been the targets of quite a few such efforts, especially in recent years -- e.g. "ethnic cleansing" attacks on Muslims during the Bosnian War, or China's suppression of Uighurs, or attacks on the Rohingya Muslims in Southeast Asia.

Again, it is clear that you're not interested in a truly "academic" or neutral interpretation of Islam (or Christianity). You just want to attack a religion, as well as ignore the terrible things done in the name of or by members of your own religion.
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This is getting boring, but here it is one more time.

Yes, there are Christians that behave horribly. There are Muslims who behave horribly. Is there a difference? Yes:

- Christians who commit atrocities do so in spite of the teachings of Jesus according to Christian mythology.
- Muslims who commit atrocities do so because of the teachings of Mohamed according to the Qur'an and historical fact.

If you don't want to discuss that difference, then we're done here.
 
stevecanuck said:
This is getting boring, but here it is one more time.

Yes, there are Christians that behave horribly. There are Muslims who behave horribly. Is there a difference? Yes:

- Christians who commit atrocities do so in spite of the teachings of Jesus according to Christian mythology.
- Muslims who commit atrocities do so because of the teachings of Mohamed according to the Qur'an and historical fact.

If you don't want to discuss that difference, then we're done here.
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Christian's killed for centuries following the words of the Christian God
 
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