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Trumps Slither to Authoritariansim

bubbabgone said:
"while they’re not statutory crimes"
So what law was broken, as you claimed.
Might as well say there was no law broken (otherwise that means you'll have to cite the law) because I'm not going to let go of this until you admit it.
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You would have to ask Romney what law he felt would fit into the category of "high crimes and misdemeanors" that he felt the President broke.

Many people believe presidential abuse of power is far worse than any specific crime on the books.

You can keep asking and live in denial but you were clearly WRONG is stating that no Senate Republican stated Trump committed a crime. Romney did.

I would further add that you can take the remarks of Alexander, Collins and Murkowski and a reasonable person using their intelligence would fairly conclude all three were describing crimes Trump committed even though they did not use the specific word. In any case, you clearly were WRONG in your statement.
 
Condor060 said:
Really, What day was that and what witnesses did they call. I watched every single House Committee hearing day and I never saw it. In fact, almost every day their were objections being called out to Schiff for not allowing Republican witnesses and not allowing their minority day.

So please provide (out of the 17 that were called) the Republican witnesses called by Republicans.
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In impeachment hearings, even the GOP's witnesses are hurting Trump | MSNBC

Always happy to oblige with the evidence.
 
RealityNow said:
It's only trivial to those who disrespected the process and denied the truths that were put forth.... we understand!!! as a designated label of conservative, you were obsessed before, during and now after the process with a man... while having little regard for the nation, its Constitution, its Co-Equal Branches of Government and the vile acts of Trump repeating his 2016 Russian program, by trying to strong arm Ukraine to take blame for something Russia did, and then trying to repeat a Republican Benghazi Smear games, by trying the same tactic to smear Biden.

Supporting Evil... is the acts of many in the Republican Arena, as evil only moves by the supporters of evil...

The Good Democracy Respecting People of America... must stand up for the respect of America and American Democracy....... and stomp down the evil that has infected many people in the lands of this nation.
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Blah blah. blah( fell asleep half way though )
He was acquitted.
Next.
 
haymarket said:
In impeachment hearings, even the GOP's witnesses are hurting Trump | MSNBC

Always happy to oblige with the evidence.
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Those were not witnesses called by Republicans. They were called by Schiff. Try again.

Morrison, Kent, Volkner, and Taylor were all called by Schiff. And by the way, ALL testified that neither Zelenski or his staff knew anything about a hold on aid until about 45 days after the Zelenski call. They found out about the hold on aid through a Politico report that came out.

Thats why your provision is fake. They all testified to exonerate Trump. Which means you are providing fake news to support your theory.

Lets find out

VIDEO REFERENCE NUMBER 36:16 minute mark
Timothy Morrison (Vindmans boss) who was on the actual call with Zelenski, testifies The president never made any demand or bribed Zelenski and he was NEVER concerned that anything illegal was discussed.

VIDEO REFERENCE NUMBER 42:28 minute mark
Volker-Morrison-Taylor-Kent all
Testified the Ukrainians had no idea about any hold on aid until after the Politico report came out over a month after the Zelenski phone call. So how do you have extortion or bribery, when the extortee doesn't even know they are being extorted?


 
In 20 yrs... those who were teens during segregation, will be reaching their geriatric stages of life. and the first generational offspring's of post segregationist America will be headed fast into their late 70's and 80's.... and everything they have fought against of public services, they will be in the stage of life to desperate need the benefit they are now so eager to destroy. The offspring's of these types who have found themselves subjected to everything their parents tried to deny to other.. have found it resulted to deny the same to them. They will either awaken, or find solace within the squalor that will engulf them.

Technology, will not wait for them, and technology will create more of a society where information, knowledge and skill will merge with civics and the civil nature of civility will incorporate a higher respect for humanity. (These are thing the Right Winger have little concept of, as they fight desperate to try and create means and ways to try and give life to the old system of white nationalism, in their desperate aims to want white privilege, to give them what they did not prepare to pursue of opportunity. The old system of white privilege giving them access to associated nepotistic and skin color jobs in their networks, as is the programming of segregation, and no matter how many ways these types try and prolong such things... America is moving in the direction of full equality of person as individual and individual as citizen with all civic and civil rights and social continuity.. with equal opportunity within all things that make the societal structure of America's Community of Citizens.

In simple summary... "white people" as a whole will have to learn how to live in society with all other persons, without expecting some special privileges and special benefits based on their skin. It's as simple as that.

Generations ago their ancestry should have left that feudalistic mentality and its vicious motivations in Europe when they first decided to come to America...
 
Condor060 said:
Those were not witnesses called by Republicans. They were called by Schiff. Try again.

Morrison, Kent, Volkner, and Taylor were all called by Schiff.
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From a list submitted by the Republican side.

You should learn how the system works.
 
KLATTU said:
Blah blah. blah( fell asleep half way though )
He was acquitted.
Next.
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you sound like the type sitting on a jury in the segregation era, that let white men go, when the evidence demonstrated their guilt of a racial based crime.

This man desecrated our Constitution and attacked the Co-Equal Branches of our Government, while trying to treasonous'ly engaged in acts and efforts of aim to bastardize our election process, on top of denigrating our Foreign Policy of Allied and Foreign Relations Agreements.

Then Obstructing Justice to cover it up, while Turing the Attorney General into a Mobsters Hack Man for a Mobster. All while parading the buffoon Guiliani around the globe.. trying to sell "treason acts" ... under the ruse as if he had some official capacity in our government.
 
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RealityNow said:
No one who respect the principle of what is a whistle-blower has any interest in exposing the person to the vile attacks from the Right Winger and Trump....

Those of us who paid attention, head the testimony that was conclusive of establishing the guilt of Trump, the malice and vile of Giuliani, and the abuse of process to have involved Giuliani in matters that should only be handled by the State Dept.

What we saw is a "wanna be crack pot dictator" trying to circumvent the government processes while being treasonous against and upon the election process, which is a vile act upon The Constitution and the people of America. We know it is a repeat of what he did with Russia...

The dignified, educated and informed people of America who respect the integrity of our institution of government, will stand up... only those who worship a man, as they disrespect the nation will cling to the Trump obsessions.


America won't go into the Confederacy Take Over that so many Right Winger, who call themselves Conservative Republican continue to pursue. That segment is basically older white people, many with a 9th and 10th grade comprehension when it comes to the world as it is today, because the type and level of education they received 40-60 yrs ago, does not inform them of the changed world we currently live within. They become a mass who are behind the times of civic society, they have less understanding of the political system that will not repeat the bias corruption of the segregationist politicians who want to try to capture and recreate the madness of their youth as children of segregationist.... many of such, who still have not figured out that America is a Liberal Nation and its March to Social, Civic and Civil Equality will continue marching forward.

The messages in the Nation among the educated, the aware and those who respect America Democracy... is to change the trajectory away from the Plutocratic aspirations of promoting authoritarian madness.
The message is to create an America where Equality reigns and opportunity has no reservation for white priviledge, and money does not over-ride the opportunities for all people.

Too bad ... Republicans can't respect that... they will only result to cry again, "we've been left behind", because they are obsessed with chasing the past.
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EVERY person accused of a crime has a right to face and question his accuser. This is a bedrock of jurisprudence in our system. That right extends to presidents as well as paupers. No person anywhere in America should ever be convicted of a crime based on the claims of an unchallenged anonymous accuser. That is what dictatorships and banana republics do, yet the left supports it. The only reason the WB wasn't brought forward was because his credibility would have crumbled as soon as he was exposed to adversarial questioning.

The rest of your post is the sort of tripe that's been drilled into all the products of the left controlled education system the last 60 years. First off, Trump did nothing with Russia. Had he done so, Mueller's Democrat bloodhounds would have found it. Or did you forget already? BTW, what the hell is the Confederacy takeover? That sounds like just the sort of idiotic drivel that the left traffics in. All we want is to be left alone to pursue our lives and take care of our families in a safe society. Let every other law abiding person do the same.

The real problem is not that we just want to run our lives but that power hungry leftists want to run our lives, too. Opposing that is not segregationism or white privilege or whatever other false label you want to apply to it but simply the defense of LIBERTY. The only "march" the left supports is the march toward ever more government control of everything which, inevitably, results in despotism. Just because the newly "educated' products of the left's brainwashing factories favor their own enslavement doesn't mean the rest of us favor it for ourselves. So, feel free to attack us as backwards for supporting freedom. We expect no less.
 
veritas1 said:
EVERY person accused of a crime has a right to face and question his accuser. This is a bedrock of jurisprudence in our system. That right extends to presidents as well as paupers. No person anywhere in America should ever be convicted of a crime based on the claims of an unchallenged anonymous accuser. That is what dictatorships and banana republics do, yet the left supports it. The only reason the WB wasn't brought forward was because his credibility would have crumbled as soon as he was exposed to adversarial questioning.

The rest of your post is the sort of tripe that's been drilled into all the products of the left controlled education system the last 60 years. First off, Trump did nothing with Russia. Had he done so, Mueller's Democrat bloodhounds would have found it. Or did you forget already? BTW, what the hell is the Confederacy takeover? That sounds like just the sort of idiotic drivel that the left traffics in. All we want is to be left alone to pursue our lives and take care of our families in a safe society. Let every other law abiding person do the same.

The real problem is not that we just want to run our lives but that power hungry leftists want to run our lives, too. Opposing that is not segregationism or white privilege or whatever other false label you want to apply to it but simply the defense of LIBERTY. The only "march" the left supports is the march toward ever more government control of everything which, inevitably, results in despotism. Just because the newly "educated' products of the left's brainwashing factories favor their own enslavement doesn't mean the rest of us favor it for ourselves. So, feel free to attack us as backwards for supporting freedom. We expect no less.
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Not true. Julian Assange has been imprisoned for years without being able to face his accusers.
 
haymarket said:
Exactly. And the actions of Trump over the last few days in vicious retribution against both Vindman and Sondland prove that protecting the identity of the whistle blower was the right thing to do.
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Nonsense. Trump has a right to replace anyone serving under him and his only mistake was not having done it years ago. Also, this fairytale that that the WB has ever been in any danger is a joke. If this guy is going to make accusations which could lead to the removal of a duly elected POTUS, then he has to come forward and be questioned. It needn't be public but it must happen. But, of course, Schiff prevented that because he knew what would happen as soon as the WB was grilled by people not obsessed with anti-Trump mania.
 
haymarket said:
You would have to ask Romney what law he felt would fit into the category of "high crimes and misdemeanors" that he felt the President broke.

Many people believe presidential abuse of power is far worse than any specific crime on the books.

You can keep asking and live in denial but you were clearly WRONG is stating that no Senate Republican stated Trump committed a crime. Romney did.

I would further add that you can take the remarks of Alexander, Collins and Murkowski and a reasonable person using their intelligence would fairly conclude all three were describing crimes Trump committed even though they did not use the specific word. In any case, you clearly were WRONG in your statement.
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No, I'm asking you since Romney said "while they’re not statutory crimes" and you claimed there was.
Might as well say there was no law broken (otherwise that means you'll have to cite the law) because I'm not going to let go of this until you admit it.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Not true. Julian Assange has been imprisoned for years without being able to face his accusers.
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So what? Assange should be able to face his accusers as well. Of course, his situation was a bit different because he holed himself up in the Ecuadorian embassy.
 
veritas1 said:
So what? Assange should be able to face his accusers as well. Of course, his situation was a bit different because he holed himself up in the Ecuadorian embassy.
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Shoulda, coulda, woulda. You deal in theory, I deal in reality.

Assange has been vilified, tortured and imprisoned in violation of numerous laws and you rationalize it. You're not the lone ranger there. Manning sits in prison here in the land of the free and home of the brave for speaking truth to power and remaining silent as is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

Yessir, reality bites, eh?
 
RealityNow said:
you sound like the type sitting on a jury in the segregation era, that let white men go, when the evidence demonstrated their guilt of a racial based crime.

This man desecrated our Constitution and attacked the Co-Equal Branches of our Government, while trying to treasonous'ly engaged in acts and efforts of aim to bastardize our election process, on top of denigrating our Foreign Policy of Allied and Foreign Relations Agreements.

Then Obstructing Justice to cover it up, while Turing the Attorney General into a Mobsters Hack Man for a Mobster. All while parading the buffoon Guiliani around the globe.. trying to sell "treason acts" ... under the ruse as if he had some official capacity in our government.
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Broken record.Act's stale.
Time to move on.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. You deal in theory, I deal in reality.

Assange has been vilified, tortured and imprisoned in violation of numerous laws and you rationalize it. You're not the lone ranger there. Manning sits in prison here in the land of the free and home of the brave for speaking truth to power and remaining silent as is protected by the Fifth Amendment.

Yessir, reality bites, eh?
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Where did I rationalize Assange's treatment? All I said is that he voluntarily holed himself up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London. IOW, he basically imprisoned himself rather than face his accusers. Manning went to trial and plead guilty. After commutation Manning subsequently was found guilty of contempt for refusing a summons to testify and sentenced to 18 months. You may disagree with the verdicts against Manning but she had her day in court.
 
veritas1 said:
EVERY person accused of a crime has a right to face and question his accuser. This is a bedrock of jurisprudence in our system. That right extends to presidents as well as paupers. No person anywhere in America should ever be convicted of a crime based on the claims of an unchallenged anonymous accuser. That is what dictatorships and banana republics do, yet the left supports it. The only reason the WB wasn't brought forward was because his credibility would have crumbled as soon as he was exposed to adversarial questioning.

The rest of your post is the sort of tripe that's been drilled into all the products of the left controlled education system the last 60 years. First off, Trump did nothing with Russia. Had he done so, Mueller's Democrat bloodhounds would have found it. Or did you forget already? BTW, what the hell is the Confederacy takeover? That sounds like just the sort of idiotic drivel that the left traffics in. All we want is to be left alone to pursue our lives and take care of our families in a safe society. Let every other law abiding person do the same.

The real problem is not that we just want to run our lives but that power hungry leftists want to run our lives, too. Opposing that is not segregationism or white privilege or whatever other false label you want to apply to it but simply the defense of LIBERTY. The only "march" the left supports is the march toward ever more government control of everything which, inevitably, results in despotism. Just because the newly "educated' products of the left's brainwashing factories favor their own enslavement doesn't mean the rest of us favor it for ourselves. So, feel free to attack us as backwards for supporting freedom. We expect no less.
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Maybe you should first learn what the Whistleblower Protect Act is and why that process was put in place. You are advocating a violation of the Whistleblower Protection Act, in your aim to try and protect Trump. Your deceptive devotion is only a cult like act of trying to protect him from facing the justice in congress, as well as justice under the law of the and and the duty of congress to hold the President accountable , as no person is above the law. You demonstrate yourself as one of those whom Trump was referring to when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his cult followers would stick with him.. we know conclusively that such types will deny that he was the shooter, when the smoking gun is in his hand and gunpowder residue on him as well, and blood spatter from the victim he shot is splattered all over his face.

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989'.
SEC. 2. FINDINGS AND PURPOSE.
(a) FINDINGS- The Congress finds that--
(1) Federal employees who make disclosures described in section 2302(b)(8)
of title 5, United States Code, serve the public interest by assisting in the
elimination of fraud, waste, abuse, and unnecessary Government expenditures;
(2) protecting employees who disclose Government illegality, waste, and
corruption is a major step toward a more effective civil service; and
(3) in passing the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, Congress established
the Office of Special Counsel to protect whistleblowers (those individuals
who make disclosures described in such section 2302(b)(8)) from reprisal.
(b) PURPOSE- The purpose of this Act is to strengthen and improve protection
for the rights of Federal employees, to prevent reprisals, and to help
eliminate wrongdoing within the Government by--
(1) mandating that employees should not suffer adverse consequences as a
result of prohibited personnel practices; and
(2) establishing--
(A) that the primary role of the Office of Special Counsel is to protect
employees, especially whistleblowers, from prohibited personnel practices;
(B) that the Office of Special Counsel shall act in the interests of
employees who seek assistance from the Office of Special Counsel; and
(C) that while disciplining those who commit prohibited personnel practices
may be used as a means by which to help accomplish that goal, the protection
of individuals who are the subject of prohibited personnel practices remains
the paramount consideration.
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You don't support freedom, you submit yourself to gerrymandered containment within a Party that is now a Cult.
 
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RealityNow said:
You don't support freedom, you submit yourself to gerrymandered containment.
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Hilarious. Both parties gerrymander wherever they are in charge. Living in MD, I've seen a lifetime of it up close. The truth is that the Democrats were the masters of gerrymandering for decades while the GOP were like clueless grade schoolers. It's only been since the GOP started to get a bit more effective that the Dems started whining about gerrymandering. When they had a monopoly on it, it was all good.
 
RealityNow said:
Maybe you should first learn what the Whistleblower Protect Act is and why that process was put in place. You are advocating a violation of the Whistleblower Protection Act, in your aim to try and protect Trump for facing the justice in congress, as well as justice under the law of the and and the duty of congress to hold the President accountable , as no person is above the law. You demonstrate yourself as one of those whom Trump was referring to when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his cult followers would stick with him.. we know conclusively that such types will deny that he was the shooter, when the smoking gun is in his hand and gunpoweder residue on him as well, and blood spatter from the victim he shot is splattered all over his face.


You don't support freedom, you submit yourself to gerrymandered containment.
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Hmm... is getting a subpoena to appear in court now considered to be a reprisal or a prohibited presonnel action?
 
veritas1 said:
Hilarious. Both parties gerrymander wherever they are in charge. Living in MD, I've seen a lifetime of it up close. The truth is that the Democrats were the masters of gerrymandering for decades while the GOP were like clueless grade schoolers. It's only been since the GOP started to get a bit more effective that the Dems started whining about gerrymandering. When they had a monopoly on it, it was all good.
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You are talking about a period of time of the Dixiecrats did their gerrymandering to promote and sustain their segregationist programming... who became the Modern Day Republicans, and they brought with them the same gerrymandering they did as Dixiecrats.
 
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