Trump supporters are Elitists

[Praxas]

Actually he did. Some people were just too stupid to see it.

He did very selective interviews with prevetted interviewers on preselected topics. It was all access control at all times.

It was large volumes of blah blah blah without the slightest bit of pushback on any topic.

He got caught outside one time when Oreilly pinned him down because FOX was carrying the superbowl. There was no way around that except to skip it.
He also got blindsided with Joe Wilson during the state of the union.

Oh please that isn't a blackout and you know it. What trump has done is a blackout and you've condoned it.

 

[akyron]

Oh please that isn't a blackout and you know it. What trump has done is a blackout and you've condoned it.

A blackout of what? They will lie about him anyway. They dont need him for that.

At this point they just make stuff up on the fly.

It used to be top ten lies the press told of the year....Now its a weekly thing.

 

[Moderate Right]

Not really. I can play the long game and there is something absolutely delicious about pointing out the hypocrisy of Trumptards.

The long game? Now that's funny. History has shown that parties in power flip flop every so often so I guess that's what you're waiting for. But, you've had six years of very steep losses and so far since Trump has been president you lefties loudly explain how unpopular he is and how the party is crumbling under him and yet you are 0 for 4 in elections. You certainly aren't playing the short game. I'm playing the long game too. After several years Democrats will regain power and then when their policies are a total failure, like they always are, Republicans will be back in power again. By the way, the Supreme Court will lean to the right for decades to come, more than likely more to the right than it is now. No matter what happens to Trump or the Republicans, you can't change that fact.

 

[Moderate Right]

Yeah they trust it so much there will be no public hearings, no input and no ability to debate it. Again you support fascism . What a con you are.

Did I call it or not? Now you call me names again. A sign that you have nothing else to argue.

 

[Praxas]

Did I call it or not? Now you call me names again. A sign that you have nothing else to argue.

Did I call it or not? you can't refute what i said. Nuff said trumpbot

 

[Moderate Right]

Not really. I can play the long game and there is something absolutely delicious about pointing out the hypocrisy of Trumptards.

I think I can understand that. I find there is something absolutely delicious about pointing out the rabid liberal left losing every single thing they throw at Trump and going 0 for 4 in elections since Trump has become president. Nothing sticks. Trump is the Teflon president. It's all nothing but resistance and the left even admits it!

 

[trouble13]

Yeah they trust it so much there will be no public hearings, no input and no ability to debate it. Again you support fascism . What a con you are.

Awww its cute that the party and media of NO are upset for not being asked for their opinions. Absent a refredum on Trump it looks the voters agree that input from the left isnt needed or wanted.



Looks like the GOP got their own mops

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[CriticalThought]

The long game? Now that's funny. History has shown that parties in power flip flop every so often so I guess that's what you're waiting for. But, you've had six years of very steep losses and so far since Trump has been president you lefties loudly explain how unpopular he is and how the party is crumbling under him and yet you are 0 for 4 in elections. You certainly aren't playing the short game. I'm playing the long game too. After several years Democrats will regain power and then when their policies are a total failure, like they always are, Republicans will be back in power again. By the way, the Supreme Court will lean to the right for decades to come, more than likely more to the right than it is now. No matter what happens to Trump or the Republicans, you can't change that fact.

I am not too worried. You are laying quite an interesting framework for how government will function in the future. When Democrats are back in control they can pass sweeping legislation quickly and with incredible secrecy and no public debate. The Supreme Court? Why limit it to 9 seats? Maybe it needs 20. It can be discussed in a dark room by a handful of Democratic Senators and passed in days, and thanks to McConnell, only a simple majority is needed to put nominees on the bench.

That is how things go when you put pissing people off ahead of maintaining the civility of the system. Every move you excuse for Trump will be co-opted by the left and taken further.

 

[Praxas]

Awww its cute that the party and media of NO are upset for not being asked for their opinions. Absent a refredum on Trump it looks the voters agree that input from the left isnt needed or wanted.

Looks like the GOP got their own mops

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Except unlike the ACA the GOP scumbags won't have any public hearings or debate like the ACA for. You support party fascism but not surprised.

You think 4 special elections gives a free for all like the fascist you are .

 

[Moderate Right]

When you agree with the senate being so secretive so they can ram a bill through that affects 100s of millions without debate or public hearings it is fascism on display. You've supported such a method.

There you go again not understanding how government works. It must be voted on by the full Senate and the full House and signed into law by the president - all exactly the same as what happened to Obamacare. You just have sour grapes that the shoe is now on the other foot.

 

[Praxas]

There you go again not understanding how government works. It must be voted on by the full Senate and the full House and signed into law by the president - all exactly the same as what happened to Obamacare. You just have sour grapes that the shoe is now on the other foot.

No you just have party lines that you hope will agree to it just like the house voted on the bill without many reading it first. It's ok your GOP will face the same consequences the Dems did only worse for supporting a bill that was so secretive and without any public input. Your party faccism is noted con. Again you defend the undefendable. Don't let us ever catching you complain about the Aca and how it was passed since you agree with worse.

 

[trouble13]

Except unlike the ACA the GOP scumbags won't have any public hearings or debate like the ACA for. You support party fascism but not surprised.

You think 4 special elections gives a free for all like the fascist you are .

No i think the piss poor behavior being put on display by the left has disqualified them from any consideration.

I will judge trump for what he puts his signature on.

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[Praxas]

No i think the piss poor behavior being put on display by the left has disqualified them from any consideration.

I will judge trump for what he puts his signature on.

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And if he puts his signature on something that didn't get debated, didn't get a public hearing and didn't get time? I guessing you will excuse it like the ***** grabber in chief is used to from you. Wanna bet?

Trump got elected by less than 30% of the population and you think that gives him a mandate.

 

[trouble13]

And if he puts his signature on something that didn't get debated, didn't get a public hearing and didn't get time? I guessing you will excuse it like the ***** grabber in chief is used to from you. Wanna bet?

Trump got elected by less than 30% of the population and you think that gives him a mandate.

I will judge him on his merits. Your shaming tactics dont impress me in the slightest.

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[Praxas]

I will judge him on his merits. Your shaming tactics dont impress me in the slightest.

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Most trumpbots don't care what he does unluss he has an d in front of his name
And then you guys fly into actions!.

 

[trouble13]

Most trumpbots don't care what he does unluss he has an d in front of his name
And then you guys fly into actions!.

Nice talk

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[Bergslagstroll]

you believe that the pie is finite and that being rich prevents the poor from gaining wealth?

Increasing the income of the rich isn’t a good way to make the economy growth and increaing the income for the rest of the population.

In a new report, Causes and Consequences of Income Inequality: A Global Perspective, the IMF aims to show why policymakers need to focus more on the poor and the middle class. The report determined that income inequality and income distribution matter for growth and its sustainability in a country.

To blame for the rising inequalities are a few different factors, which differ whether in emerging markets or developed economies. Technological progress that led to higher salaries and resulted in some labor market declines, is a big factor in both types of economies and globalization has also reinforced the trend.

It also found that when the income share of the top 20% increases, the country’s GDP declines over the medium term. On the other hand, GDP growth is associated with income increase among the poorest 20% of the population.

IMF study on income inequality - Business Insider

You can also look at USA their after decades of tax cuts for rich, weaker unions and more inequality American workers have barely gotten any real wage increases and in some cases gotten lower real wages.

What gains have been made, have gone to the upper income brackets. Since 2000, usual weekly wages have fallen 3.7% (in real terms) among workers in the lowest tenth of the earnings distribution, and 3% among the lowest quarter. But among people near the top of the distribution, real wages have risen 9.7%.

For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades | Pew Research Center

While the richest 1 % in the world soon own almost half of the worlds wealth.

Richest 1% to own more than rest of world, Oxfam says - BBC News

That even if my country Sweden is also affected by the neo liberal policies we still have strong unions and collective agreement that apply to most workers so we at least have gotten real wages increases for both blue and white color workers.

https://translate.google.se/transla...i/Aktuell-Pong/31243/EK0203/70546/&edit-text=

Also, Sweden combine strong unions and more left wing policies with a strong economy. For example, that Sweden is the best country for business according to Forbes.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...ost-other-countries-at-just-about-everything/

 

[TurtleDude]

Increasing the income of the rich isn’t a good way to make the economy growth and increaing the income for the rest of the population.



IMF study on income inequality - Business Insider

You can also look at USA their after decades of tax cuts for rich, weaker unions and more inequality American workers have barely gotten any real wage increases and in some cases gotten lower real wages.



For most workers, real wages have barely budged for decades | Pew Research Center

While the richest 1 % in the world soon own almost half of the worlds wealth.

Richest 1% to own more than rest of world, Oxfam says - BBC News

That even if my country Sweden is also affected by the neo liberal policies we still have strong unions and collective agreement that apply to most workers so we at least have gotten real wages increases for both blue and white color workers.

https://translate.google.se/transla...i/Aktuell-Pong/31243/EK0203/70546/&edit-text=

Also, Sweden combine strong unions and more left wing policies with a strong economy. For example, that Sweden is the best country for business according to Forbes.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017...ost-other-countries-at-just-about-everything/

lots of libs don't understand or ignore the obvious. Most of us who are rich are rich because of investments. What happens or what is happening if investments no longer make money or taxes are so high as to confiscate what we earn? that is the two alternatives that would prevent that. if the former happens, the country is screwed. If the latter happens, the rich are going to take their money some place else. either cases the "poor" are going to be in far worse shape.

freedom never seems to figure into the grandiose egalitarian nonsense left-wingers want

 

[Bergslagstroll]

lots of libs don't understand or ignore the obvious. Most of us who are rich are rich because of investments. What happens or what is happening if investments no longer make money or taxes are so high as to confiscate what we earn? that is the two alternatives that would prevent that. if the former happens, the country is screwed. If the latter happens, the rich are going to take their money some place else. either cases the "poor" are going to be in far worse shape.

freedom never seems to figure into the grandiose egalitarian nonsense left-wingers want

Well my country Sweden show that you can have a lot more taxes, stronger unions and regulation than USA and still have a strong economy.

Also it's not Sweden that for example on the list of most innovative countries and best countries for business you have countries that are a lot more left wing than USA at the top.

Sweden and Finland are ranked amongst the 15 most innovative countries in the world - Business Insider Nordic

https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/#tab:overall

While you are right that it's a problem that wealth also means more power. Both for example to threathen to move your investment or companies to other countries or places. Money to spend on PR, lobbying, marketing, owning media companies and scientific research to get laws that benefit your interests. Or to use legal and illegal ways to hide your money in tax havens. This also not only hurt the workers but also small business that don't have the same money to spend on lobbying or means to hide their money in tax havens.

Also you see the negative consequences of that power today their USA workers got stagnated or lower real income wages while the richest 1 % in world soon own 50 % of the world's wealth.

While USA companies alone have estimated 1 400 billion dollar hidden i tax havens.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/14/us-corporations-14-trillion-hidden-tax-havens-oxfam

 

[TurtleDude]

Well my country Sweden show that you can have a lot more taxes, stronger unions and regulation than USA and still have a strong economy.

Also it's not Sweden that for example on the list of most innovative countries and best countries for business you have countries that are a lot more left wing than USA at the top.

Sweden and Finland are ranked amongst the 15 most innovative countries in the world - Business Insider Nordic

https://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/#tab:overall

While you are right that it's a problem that wealth also means more power. Both for example to threathen to move your investment or companies to other countries or places. Money to spend on PR, lobbying, marketing and scientific research to get laws that benefit their interests. Or to use legal and illegal ways to hide your money in tax havens. This also not only hurt the workers but also small business that don't have the same money to spend on lobbying or means to hide their money in tax havens.

Also you see the negative consequences of that power today their USA workers got stagnated or lower real income wages while the richest 1 % in world soon own 50 % of the world's wealth.

While USA companies alone have estimated 1 400 billion dollar hidden i tax havens.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/14/us-corporations-14-trillion-hidden-tax-havens-oxfam

IIRC at one time the top rock and sports starts in Sweden moved out because of the confiscatory tax laws. we used to joke that Monti Carlo had the best tennis team in the world because -among others-the top Swedish (when Sweden had several stars like Borg, Edberg, Nystrom, Jaryd, etc) all moved to Monte Carlo

 

[akyron]

it looks the voters agree that input from the left isnt needed

We may not like the tyranny and insanity of the left/democrats but it needs to be heard.

We should hope they can recover from the massive psychotic breakdown the rejection of the the last 8 years of socialism experiments have triggered and welcome them back to the land of empowerment and common sense.

A generation of entitled fatherless protesters have placed too many like minded mind numbed commune sympathetic people in positions of influence and generated a tragedy of epic wrong headed thinking in the nation.

Iron sharpens iron and everything is better with competition.

Look at the losers on a CNN panel and you will find a who's who of epic wrong headed thinkers.

Once they they can get beyond the elitist narcissistic identity politics and start thinking logically then hopefully the trump Derangement syndrome will begin to go into remission.

 

[trouble13]

We may not like the tyranny and insanity of the left/democrats but it needs to be heard.

We should hope they can recover from the massive psychotic breakdown the rejection of the the last 8 years of socialism experiments have triggered and welcome them back to the land of empowerment and common sense.

A generation of entitled fatherless protesters have placed too many like minded mind numbed commune sympathetic people in positions of influence and generated a tragedy of epic wrong headed thinking in the nation.

Iron sharpens iron and everything is better with competition.

Look at the losers on a CNN panel and you will find a who's who of epic wrong headed thinkers.

Once they they can get beyond the elitist narcissistic identity politics and start thinking logically then hopefully the trump Derangement syndrome will begin to go into remission.

Of course, i was responding to a snarky post with one of my own.

I am by no means hard right. I have views that range from hard left to hard right. I believe both ideologies have merit and both have pitfalls.

My current gripe with the left is how they attempt to shut down opposition and force change. Even when i agree with what they are fighting for i cant support how they fight for it.

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[akyron]

Even when i agree with what they are fighting for i cant support how they fight for it.

This is how they lose millions of everyday common sense voters.

When they smashed the Starbucks, when they wanted to blow up the whitehouse, when they cheer as anarchy reigns in the streets they bleed themselves of law and order voters of all color, race, and creed. I would hope we could stand united for law and order, peace, and safety but even that is somehow controversial these days.

I think you are dead on. When the message starts with violence, insults, and general snark it's unlikely there will be any meaningful dialogue that follows.

 

[Bergslagstroll]

IIRC at one time the top rock and sports starts in Sweden moved out because of the confiscatory tax laws. we used to joke that Monti Carlo had the best tennis team in the world because -among others-the top Swedish (when Sweden had several stars like Borg, Edberg, Nystrom, Jaryd, etc) all moved to Monte Carlo

Yes some Swedish sport stars have moved to the sun and lower taxes in Monte Carlo while you also have a lot who stayed in Sweden both then and today. Also you Swedish celebrities that have moved back to Sweden. For example Nina Persson from the band Cardigans that moved from New York to Malmö.

What is the big difference between raising a child in New York compared to Sweden?
- It's my child and we breed it. There is no difference, we are our family anyway. But being a parent in the United States, being a mother, it's not so heaven of course. You are not so encouraged can you say, says Nina Persson.
She struggled with her identity as a mother in New York and found it strange to be in the playground among housewives and nannys.
"Motherhood while having a life and work as a woman is nothing that the United States thinks should be of course combining," she says.

Why did not you feel encouraged?
- Everything! Parental insurance, the school system and, as I said, the mothers roll. I became confused when there was no one I recognized in the playground, because no one worked there. In Malmö, I feel more that I am among parents who receive respect.
"It's incredibly fun to live in Malmö again, it's still a great city so it's crazy," she says

https://translate.google.se/transla...rfor-hon-flyttade-hem-till-sverige&edit-text=

The swedish welfare state can be one of the reason swedish sport and music star succeded. That Sweden todays is the world's biggest music exporter per capita and also the world's biggest music exporter in total. That the welfare state contribute to give children a good upbringing with good public school, free health care and also there every child can have access to sport, music and other activities.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/10/why-is-sweden-so-good-at-pop-music/280945/

While countries like Monte Carlo doesn't in the same way contribute to world or produce things. Instead there are a place their the wealthy can get away from paying taxes on their earnings. Earnings they have created in other countries thanks to goverments services paid by taxes in those countries.

 

[fmw]

Nya Nya. Your guys are more elitist than my guys.