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Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden's Son

MTAtech said:
Rudy already confessed the whole plot months ago. We just weren't paying attention.
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"Confessed" is an interesting term. How about "cooperated".

But there is a missing part of the story that the American public needs in order to assess what really happened: Giuliani’s contact with Zelensky adviser and attorney Andrei Yermak this summer was encouraged and facilitated by the U.S. State Department.

Giuliani didn’t initiate it. A senior U.S. diplomat contacted him in July and asked for permission to connect Yermak with him.

Then, Giuliani met in early August with Yermak on neutral ground — in Spain — before reporting back to State everything that occurred at the meeting.

That debriefing occurred Aug. 11 by phone with two senior U.S. diplomats, one with responsibility for Ukraine and the other with responsibility for the European Union, according to electronic communications records I reviewed and interviews I conducted.

When asked on Friday, Giuliani confirmed to me that the State Department asked him to take the Yermak meeting and that he did, in fact, apprise U.S. officials every step of the way.
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Missing piece to the Ukraine puzzle: State Department's overture to Rudy Giuliani | TheHill
 
lwf said:
What if Ukraine had been recording that call? (Hint: they were.) What if they then told Trump that if he didn't give them something they wanted, they would release that recording to the public during the 2020 election?
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It would be a nothingburger, just like it is now.
 
apdst said:
It would be a nothingburger, just like it is now.
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There is a whole buffet of nothing burgers to go with Mueller's smoked side of nothing important.


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apdst said:
Biden isn't above the law.
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I agree, and if he did something wrong he should be put in jail for it. It just seems to me, like if these allegations are such a big deal, maybe, an investigation into his behavior should have been opened somewhere closer to 1/21/17, as opposed to starting to explore this once everyone knows Joe Biden is gonna enter the race.

And why use Rudy Giuliani to do it? I mean, two of his clients:
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Men who, in regards to the topic at hand, helped him make his Ukrainian connections, are trying to sell American natural gas to Ukraine. All while Giuliani is trying to get Ukraine to re-open an investigation into its largest private natural gas firm.

Why not involve American law enforcement, instead of a private citizen with obvious conflicts of interest?
 
apdst said:
It would be a nothingburger, just like it is now.
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Now learning that the whistleblower complaint wasn't based on the whistleblower's personal knowledge of a phone call between President Trump and President Zelensky, but rather was based on information provided to him/her by a third party who doesn't work for the intelligence community.
Hearsayblower?
 
If nothing untoward occurred POTUS can release the transcripts. Story over.
 
Mycroft said:
Forget I mentioned it...at least, until the time comes when the undeniable facts are revealed and even your Trump hating, Obama loving media can't ignore them.

We all know what "sources" you consider "reputable".
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Perfect! Meanwhile the rest of us living I'm reality will focus on what's actually happening NOW.
 
Vern said:
poor fletch. You used to be one of the more intelligent conservatives here. Sadly now you're just another Mycroft or Conservative. anyhoo, unlike Mc or Con, you know the difference between having probable cause and Trump's continued stain on America.
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He's not that far down yet, but he's close.
 
Parrish said:
If nothing untoward occurred POTUS can release the transcripts. Story over.
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Not exactly. There might be classified information contained within. Not everything should or will be made public because once again, a failed coup attempted to bring Trump down.
 
Acadia said:
Not exactly. There might be classified information contained within. Not everything should or will be made public because once again, a failed coup attempted to bring Trump down.
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The president can release things without making them public. Say, for example, he could release transcripts to the House Intel Committee, they deal with classified information all the time. Easy peasy.
 
Acadia said:
You know what your problem is? Trump gives a ****.
I say shine a light on what this is all about. To the best of the government's ability, tell us all everything. Let it ALL out.
What exactly was Trump after? Let's hear it.

Then let's watch the Trump haters spew their usual hypocrisy when they don't get the answer they want.

Let's touch base once we know the fact, ok? Then let's see who's willing to accept what, shall we?

Right now, you don't know **** and I don't know ****. Pretending that you're having some high-minded conversation while I'm not is ridiculous.

You. Don't. Know. Squat.
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Why can't you answer the question?

I'll ask again:

What violation of the Constitution or the law by Trump would you not accept? What crime could Trump commit that would turn you against him?
 
Acadia said:
Now learning that the whistleblower complaint wasn't based on the whistleblower's personal knowledge of a phone call between President Trump and President Zelensky, but rather was based on information provided to him/her by a third party who doesn't work for the intelligence community.
Hearsayblower?
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Do you have a source for this?
 
HAL9000 said:
The president can release things without making them public. Say, for example, he could release transcripts to the House Intel Committee, they deal with classified information all the time. Easy peasy.
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Oh, I agree, but that's the same as releasing it to the public what with Schiffty leaking and all.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Why can't you answer the question?

I'll ask again:

What violation of the Constitution or the law by Trump would you not accept? What crime could Trump commit that would turn you against him?
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Your premise is flawed, but keep up the Schrodinger mind games.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Do you have a source for this?
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The whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN. Instead, the whistleblower's concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work, and those details have played a role in the administration's determination that the complaint didn't fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law, the official said.
It is hard to know the potential exposure faced by the President.
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Trump whistleblower: New revelations deepen scandal over complaint - CNNPolitics
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Okay...thanks.

Now, is it safe to assume you accept CNN as a credible source? Can I use CNN as a reference in my arguments with you, or is CNN only credible when it helps your argument?
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Nice deflection. Now deflect from the NYer! Well, via Yahoo;)

Hunter Biden, however, told the New Yorker in an interview for an article published in July that he discussed Burisma, the Ukrainian natural gas producer, with his father in December 2015. At the time, Hunter Biden sat on Burisma‘s board of directors.

Around the time of the conversation, Biden was preparing for a trip to the Ukraine and the Obama administration special envoy had raised the issue with the Vice President, according to the article. Hunter Biden told the New Yorker he and his father spoke about Burisma just once.

“‘Dad said, ‘I hope you know what you’re doing,” and I said, ‘I do,’ ” the younger Biden is quoted as saying in the article.
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Biden: I never talked to son Hunter about overseas business dealings
 
Acadia said:
Oh, I agree, but that's the same as releasing it to the public what with Schiffty leaking and all.
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The law requires them to be released to the “gang of eight”.

You know, the law.

Something that Trump thinks he can simply ignore.
 
Trump’s Ukraine Call: A Clear Impeachable Offense - The Atlantic
The president of the United States reportedly sought the help of a foreign government against an American citizen who might challenge him for his office. This is the single most important revelation in a scoop by The Wall Street Journal, and if it is true, then President Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office immediately.
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Now, however, we face an entirely new situation. In a call to the new president of Ukraine, Trump reportedly attempted to pressure the leader of a sovereign state into conducting an investigation—a witch hunt, one might call it—of a U.S. citizen, former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son Hunter Biden.
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If this in itself is not impeachable, then the concept has no meaning. Trump’s grubby commandeering of the presidency’s fearsome and nearly uncheckable powers in foreign policy for his own ends is a gross abuse of power and an affront both to our constitutional order and to the integrity of our elections.
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