Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden's Son

[W_Heisenberg]

Your premise is flawed, but keep up the Schrodinger mind games.

My premise? Are you kidding? My premise is that our society and government are able to function properly because we have a legal and political system that enforces a basic set of rules, and that everyone, especially those in positions of authority have an obligation to follow these rules. That's my premise. You think that premise is flawed? Is that why you won't answer my question?

 

[MTAtech]

Nice deflection. Now deflect from the NYer! Well, via Yahoo

Biden: I never talked to son Hunter about overseas business dealings

oh man, Biden said to his son, “I hope you know what you’re doing.” Well, Lock him up and throw away the key!
That’s the best you got? Meanwhile, you have no gripe about the Trump brats flying around the world on our dime, mixing U.S. policy with their side deals.

 

[apdst]

You're right. He's not, and neither his Trump.

Trump and Giuliani’s Quest for Fake Ukraine "Dirt” on Biden: An Explainer - Just Security

Trump didn't break the law.

 

[apdst]

If nothing untoward occurred POTUS can release the transcripts. Story over.

Unless they contain sensitive information. We know Congress can't be trusted not to leak the information.

 

[Acadia]

oh man, Biden said to his son, “I hope you know what you’re doing.” Well, Lock him up and throw away the key!
That’s the best you got? Meanwhile, you have no gripe about the Trump brats flying around the world on our dime, mixing U.S. policy with their side deals.

Oh, it's prime. Within hours of Biden spewing spittle at a FOX reporter, denying her EVER had a conversation with Hunter, his son, about his business with Ukraine, he was proven a liar or a failing, old fart.

 

[Acadia]

Unless they contain sensitive information. We know Congress can't be trusted not to leak the information.

Look, Schiffty can't be trusted. Period. So if this isn't credibly a whistleblower, and classified information and sources do not have to be exposed to the partisan hacks on the Democrat side, I'd protect the information.

 

[HAL9000]

You should focus on this: Missing piece to the Ukraine puzzle: State Department's overture to Rudy Giuliani | TheHill

I'll see that, and I'll raise you this: Meet the Florida Duo Helping Giuliani Investigate for Trump in Ukraine - OCCRP

 

[Mycroft]

I'll see that, and I'll raise you this: Meet the Florida Duo Helping Giuliani Investigate for Trump in Ukraine - OCCRP

Lots of speculation and misrepresentation in that article. For one thing, there is no indication that anything Rudy did was to target Biden for political purposes and the article claims that Biden's scandal has been "largely debunked by experts". What experts, it makes no mention of.

Your raise is going to be a loss for you when compared to facts from the State Department, actions from that US Ambassador to Ukraine and from statements from the Ukraine Foreign Minister, himself.

Ukraine minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call: report | Euronews

Be smart. Cut your losses. Fold.

 

[Acadia]

Lots of speculation and misrepresentation in that article. For one thing, there is no indication that anything Rudy did was to target Biden for political purposes and the article claims that Biden's scandal has been "largely debunked by experts". What experts, it makes no mention of.

Your raise is going to be a loss for you when compared to facts from the State Department, actions from that US Ambassador to Ukraine and from statements from the Ukraine Foreign Minister, himself.

Ukraine minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call: report | Euronews

Be smart. Cut your losses. Fold.

When they find themselves in a hole, they start digging.

 

[HAL9000]

Lots of speculation and misrepresentation in that article. For one thing, there is no indication that anything Rudy did was to target Biden for political purposes and the article claims that Biden's scandal has been "largely debunked by experts". What experts, it makes no mention of.

Your raise is going to be a loss for you when compared to facts from the State Department, actions from that US Ambassador to Ukraine and from statements from the Ukraine Foreign Minister, himself.

Ukraine minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call: report | Euronews

Be smart. Cut your losses. Fold.

Lol, I imaging Zelensky will say that Trump didn't put any pressure on him either. But he did say this:

“Now we can say we have very good relations with the US because now we will get not only $250m but [an additional] $140m. When you are waiting for $250m have the possibility to get $390m, I like this sort of relationship. I am sure we will have a meeting in the White House, because I was invited,” -Zelensky, shortly after this story broke, and funding to the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative was restored

$140 million can buy a lot of good will. Lets see what the transcripts say. Yah?

Those two clients of Giuliani, who helped him make connections for this purpose, are trying to sell American natural gas to Ukraine, while Giuliani is trying to reopen and investigation into Ukraine's largest natural gas producer. Does that seem like a conflict of interest to you? Plus durin his Chris Cuomo interview, Rudy said that he asked about reopening the investigation, he even said he was proud of it.

Why don't you look up Shokin, see how good of a dude he is. He didn't prosecute a single person from the ultra-corrupt Yanukovych administration. It wasn't just the US, the EU wanted him gone to for hindering progress on anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. People in his own office said he was corrupt and unfit for his job.

Here are some people protesting in the streets, burning effigies, calling for Shokin's removal(he's the mask on the left).

I'm sure they just really, really wanted to protect Joe Biden's son.

 

[Mycroft]

Lol, I imaging Zelensky will say that Trump didn't put any pressure on him either. But he did say this:



$140 million can buy a lot of good will. Lets see what the transcripts say. Yah?

Those two clients of Giuliani, who helped him make connections for this purpose, are trying to sell American natural gas to Ukraine, while Giuliani is trying to reopen and investigation into Ukraine's largest natural gas producer. Does that seem like a conflict of interest to you? Plus durin his Chris Cuomo interview, Rudy said that he asked about reopening the investigation, he even said he was proud of it.

Why don't you look up Shokin, see how good of a dude he is. He didn't prosecute a single person from the ultra-corrupt Yanukovych administration. It wasn't just the US, the EU wanted him gone to for hindering progress on anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. People in his own office said he was corrupt and unfit for his job.

Here are some people protesting in the streets, burning effigies, calling for Shokin's removal(he's the mask on the left).
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I'm sure they just really, really wanted to protect Joe Biden's son.

LOL!!

Speculating about a couple hundred million opposed to Biden admitting a billion dollars in pressure. Good luck with that.

Has it occurred to you that Rudy is just interested in political corruption? From the Obama administration? From the DNC? After all, that's where all the evidence is pointing to. In fact, the Ukrainian government has been trying to get information to the US for more than a year.

Aren't you interested in justice?

 

[HumblePi]

LOL!!

Speculating about a couple hundred million opposed to Biden admitting a billion dollars in pressure. Good luck with that.

Has it occurred to you that Rudy is just interested in political corruption? From the Obama administration? From the DNC? After all, that's where all the evidence is pointing to. In fact, the Ukrainian government has been trying to get information to the US for more than a year.

Aren't you interested in justice?

Here's the difference and I'll type it out plainly so you get it. Trump was essentially holding $250 million dollars hostage from Ukraine threatening their president that he won't release it until and when the Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky agreed to investigating Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. That's extortion and bribery.

Joe Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion U.S dollars in aid to Ukraine because of rampant corruption and that 1 billion dollars would have gone into the pocket of corrupt politicians, namely Victor Shokin. Not only Joe Biden but the EU and the IMF also insisted that Shokin be investigated and removed --- which he ultimately was, and the loan guarantee funds were released to Ukraine.

 

[Airyaman]

LOL!!

Speculating about a couple hundred million opposed to Biden admitting a billion dollars in pressure. Good luck with that.

Has it occurred to you that Rudy is just interested in political corruption? From the Obama administration? From the DNC? After all, that's where all the evidence is pointing to. In fact, the Ukrainian government has been trying to get information to the US for more than a year.

Aren't you interested in justice?

Where is this extra $140M coming from? Congress did not approve it.


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[HAL9000]

LOL!!

Speculating about a couple hundred million opposed to Biden admitting a billion dollars in pressure. Good luck with that.

Has it occurred to you that Rudy is just interested in political corruption? From the Obama administration? From the DNC? After all, that's where all the evidence is pointing to. In fact, the Ukrainian government has been trying to get information to the US for more than a year.

Aren't you interested in justice?

Yeah I'm interested in having law enforcement conduct an investigation into Joe Biden, not some weird mishmash of stooge diplomats, oil investors, A noun, a verb, and 9/11. If they find anything, I hope they put him in jail. If they find anything on his son, I hope they put him in jail too. If Obama's involved, or Hillary, or Pocahontas, or whoever, I hope they go to jail too.

Is that fair? To want people to be held accountable for corruption and abuses of power?

 

[MTAtech]

Here's the difference and I'll type it out plainly so you get it. Trump was essentially holding $250 million dollars hostage from Ukraine threatening their president that he won't release it until and when the Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky agreed to investigating Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. That's extortion and bribery.

Joe Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion U.S dollars in aid to Ukraine because of rampant corruption and that 1 billion dollars would have gone into the pocket of corrupt politicians, namely Victor Shokin. Not only Joe Biden but the EU and the IMF also insisted that Shokin be investigated and removed --- which he ultimately was, and the loan guarantee funds were released to Ukraine.

It’s difficult to get someone to understand who is invested in not understanding.

 

[beefheart]

Can you imagine the nuclear meltdown liberals would be having if instead of Biden arranging a BILLION dollar bribe for his son, it was Trump?

If it weren't for double standards, what standards would liberals have?

Could you imagine the meltdown conservatives would have had if Obama didn't release his tax returns and did everything possible to keep them from being seen?

 

[HumblePi]

It’s difficult to get someone to understand who is invested in not understanding.

The thing is, has anyone noticed that this big conspiracy that Rudy Giuliani has contrived just happens to coincide with the release of the whistle-blower news? The allegation of the whistleblower was made public on Sept.19th and Rudy Giuliani appeared on Chris Cuomo Sept. 19th. Is it possible that's merely a coincidence?

Trump knows that he's in deep **** if this whistle-blower is allowed to go to Congress, so his friend Rudy goes on CNN --which he knows most democrats will see, and push out this outrageous conspiracy against Hunter and Joe Biden. Hunter was paid $50k for having his name on the board of directors. There's nothing illegal about that. The natural gas company was being investigated, not Hunter Biden.

Many people lend their name to board of directors, because of their public profile. Ivanka Trump has been on the board of directors of Signature Bank which provided financial backing to Trump's Florida golf course, and financial backing to Michael Cohen, Jared Kushner and Kushner's father, Charles Kushner. The bank also provided Trump and the Trump Organization with checking accounts while Ivanka Trump, sat on its board of directors. Just this past April, Trump confirmed that he had considered Ivanka to head the World Bank (because she's good with numbers) and also considered her for the role of U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. In March last year, Ivanka Trump effectively acted, if only briefly, as de facto interim secretary of state, after Rex Tillerson was fired. She also sat in for her father at a G20 summit in Hamburg in July 2017, to widespread consternation.

Where was the outrage on the right then?

 

[HAL9000]

The thing is, has anyone noticed that this big conspiracy that Rudy Giuliani has contrived just happens to coincide with the release of the whistle-blower news? The allegation of the whistleblower was made public on Sept.19th and Rudy Giuliani appeared on Chris Cuomo Sept. 19th. Is it possible that's merely a coincidence?

Trump knows that he's in deep **** if this whistle-blower is allowed to go to Congress, so his friend Rudy goes on CNN --which he knows most democrats will see, and push out this outrageous conspiracy against Hunter and Joe Biden. Hunter was paid $50k for having his name on the board of directors. There's nothing illegal about that. The natural gas company was being investigated, not Hunter Biden.

Many people lend their name to board of directors, because of their public profile. Ivanka Trump has been on the board of directors of Signature Bank which provided financial backing to Trump's Florida golf course, and financial backing to Michael Cohen, Jared Kushner and Kushner's father, Charles Kushner. The bank also provided Trump and the Trump Organization with checking accounts while Ivanka Trump, sat on its board of directors. Just this past April, Trump confirmed that he had considered Ivanka to head the World Bank (because she's good with numbers) and also considered her for the role of U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. In March last year, Ivanka Trump effectively acted, if only briefly, as de facto interim secretary of state, after Rex Tillerson was fired. She also sat in for her father at a G20 summit in Hamburg in July 2017, to widespread consternation.

Where was the outrage on the right then?

Remember when Trump offered his daughter the World Bank Presidency and she thankfully turned the offer down?

 

[HumblePi]

Remember when Trump offered his daughter a nomination to head the World Bank and she thankfully turned the offer down?

The corruption has reached levels this country has never seen and maybe it's because it's right there in our faces and it stuns our sensibilities. Running after every illegal and unethical thing that Trump and the rest of the Royal Family does would take a stable full of legal minds continually chasing it down and proving it's all illegal and contaminating the Constitution. Congress won't do it and every republican Congressman should feel the sting of their wrongly placed allegiance to a crook in Nov. 2020.

 

[MTAtech]

The thing is, has anyone noticed that this big conspiracy that Rudy Giuliani has contrived just happens to coincide with the release of the whistle-blower news? The allegation of the whistleblower was made public on Sept.19th and Rudy Giuliani appeared on Chris Cuomo Sept. 19th. Is it possible that's merely a coincidence?

Trump knows that he's in deep **** if this whistle-blower is allowed to go to Congress, so his friend Rudy goes on CNN --which he knows most democrats will see, and push out this outrageous conspiracy against Hunter and Joe Biden. Hunter was paid $50k for having his name on the board of directors. There's nothing illegal about that. The natural gas company was being investigated, not Hunter Biden.

Many people lend their name to board of directors, because of their public profile. Ivanka Trump has been on the board of directors of Signature Bank which provided financial backing to Trump's Florida golf course, and financial backing to Michael Cohen, Jared Kushner and Kushner's father, Charles Kushner. The bank also provided Trump and the Trump Organization with checking accounts while Ivanka Trump, sat on its board of directors. Just this past April, Trump confirmed that he had considered Ivanka to head the World Bank (because she's good with numbers) and also considered her for the role of U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. In March last year, Ivanka Trump effectively acted, if only briefly, as de facto interim secretary of state, after Rex Tillerson was fired. She also sat in for her father at a G20 summit in Hamburg in July 2017, to widespread consternation.

Where was the outrage on the right then?

It is typical of Trump to distract from a damning news story. When the access Hollywood tape broke, that’s when Wikileaks released Hillary emails.
It is telling that Rudy’s timing to go on Cuomo show. He’s been traveling to the Ukraine for a month but he goes on TV to damage control with their distraction.

 

[Mycroft]

Here's the difference and I'll type it out plainly so you get it. Trump was essentially holding $250 million dollars hostage from Ukraine threatening their president that he won't release it until and when the Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky agreed to investigating Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. That's extortion and bribery.

You have absolutely no evidence that this is anything more than your own wild speculation.

Joe Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion U.S dollars in aid to Ukraine because of rampant corruption and that 1 billion dollars would have gone into the pocket of corrupt politicians, namely Victor Shokin. Not only Joe Biden but the EU and the IMF also insisted that Shokin be investigated and removed --- which he ultimately was, and the loan guarantee funds were released to Ukraine.

So...Biden and Obama, by Biden's own admission, commit extortion and it's okay. You speculate that Trump commits extortion, with absolutely no evidence, and you assign guilt.

Political hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Acadia]

Could you imagine the meltdown conservatives would have had if Obama didn't release his tax returns and did everything possible to keep them from being seen?

Or his school transcripts?

 

[Jay Falcon]

So far the left has no proof of any illegal action and no proof of a quid pro quo. Just another democrat attempt to discredit Trump because they can't win an election. Their hatred of Trump will drive them to do anything legal or not to try to remove him from office. They do not care if it hurts the country or not. It's power they want in order to implement their extreme socialist policies.

What a complete load of crap. Only a troll or robot could write something so brain dead. Reads like a copy paste from some extreme right-wing site aimed at people with very low intelligence.

 

[beefheart]

Or his school transcripts?

You doubt that Obama graduated? How inane.

 

[HumblePi]

It is typical of Trump to distract from a damning news story. When the access Hollywood tape broke, that’s when Wikileaks released Hillary emails.
It is telling that Rudy’s timing to go on Cuomo show. He’s been traveling to the Ukraine for a month but he goes on TV to damage control with their distraction.

This is all taken right out of the Roy Cohn book of sleazy lawyering. Roy Cohn was a homosexual and he did everything in his power to hide it from anyone and the method he used to conceal that fact was to directly contradict his own sexuality through his work alongside McCarthy persecuting homosexuals. The Roy Cohn handbook says when you're confronted with a crime you've committed there's 3 things to do immediately. 1. Deny 2. Deflect 3. Dismiss. Donald Trump was a prodigy of the 'Lyin King' and that's why he idolized Roy Cohn, it was because Cohn got away with everything by fighting it with lies, denials, deflective accusations. Roy Cohn was even connected to a vast, dark undercover CIA pedophile ring that I don't even want to think of. But anyone can google it. 'Roy Cohn CIA pedophile ring'.