Trump: I didn't record secret tapes of James Comey

[Fenton]

One, he considered it a big nothing burger, and two, he was virtually certain that Hillary Von Pantsuit was going to be the next president and did not give a flip about it.

Or, he exploited it to build a political narrative that would challenge and undermine Trump prior to and just in case, after the election if he won. A narrative that kicked into high gear after Trump won the primary as unmaskings increased exponetially in 2016.

He called for a investegation into Russion meddling and changed the rules for how the NSA could share its raw data with other agencies right before he left office and then the leaks soon followed. The media was complict and since Trumps inaugeration CNN and MSNBC have devoted 90% of their programing to it.

His excuse of not wanting to taint Hillary's win is typical BS from Obama

 

[MAGAnificent]

The bar ... the standard ... the criteria .... that you yourself attempted to set in your post.

here it is again to remind you of what you previously said



Why is that your standard?

Russians attempt to hack us all the time. We likely attempt to hack them as well. It is called spying. It has gone on since the dawn of man. I don't like it, however it is not earthshaking. And it had absolutely no effect whatsoever on the 2016 election.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Glad to see you agree with my statement and we can dispense with silly and ridiculous and inexact comparative levels of human weakness then.

Your weaknesses are your problem. Not mine.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Or, he exploited it to build a political narrative that would challenge and undermine Trump prior to and just in case, after the election if he won. A narrative that kicked into high gear after Trump won the primary as unmaskings increased exponetially in 2016.

He called for a investegation into Russion meddling and changed the rules for how the NSA could share its raw data with other agencies right before he left office and then the leaks soon followed. The media was complict and since Trumps inaugeration CNN and MSNBC have devoted 90% of their programing to it.

His excuse of not wanting to taint Hillary's win is typical BS from Obama

Agreed...though I think they felt Trump gave them an opening when he jokingly suggested that perhaps Russia could help find Hillary's missing 30,000 emails. That is at least when the libruls on the talk boards went nuclear with the tin foil hat collusion narrative.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Its a non-answer as its not illegal for a president to be an idiot.

True....if it were illegal for a president to be an idiot....Obama would have served prison time.

 

[Fenton]

Agreed...though I think they felt Trump gave them an opening when he jokingly suggested that perhaps Russia could help find Hillary's missing 30,000 emails. That is at least when the libruls on the talk boards went nuclear with the tin foil hat collusion narrative.

I remember that, plus there was the story of the computer scientist ( A Hillary Donor) that started the whole Russian Bank narrative back in the fall, but now we know Obama found out about Russian meddling back in August

Hillary Clinton donor pushed Trump-Russia computer narrative investigated by FBI | Circa News - Learn. Think. Do.

 

[haymarket]

Its a non-answer as its not illegal for a president to be an idiot.

Its the definitive answer to the nonsense that we have not proven any collusion. The investigation is ongoing and there is much ahead to be discovered before findings are made .... in words everybody can understand ... its not over until the fat lady sings. Which is why I keep asking who won the ball game in the second inning. The investigation(s) are only in the early stages - especially the one headed up by Mueller.

For the Trump apologists and right wing to keep saying 'but you have not proven any collision' is utterly inane, ridiculous and senseless because its not evidence of anything other than the investigation(s) are far from finished and collusion could still be proven down the road.

This reminds me of the stupidly inane "Trump is not under investigation" that the right kept repeating like some kind of mantra of spiritual purity. It means nothing because at any time Trump could be the target of any investigation and indeed we now have many reports that he is including his own admission in tweets. And the White House tells us repeatedly that when Trump tweets it - it his his official position.

Plus the "Trump is not under investigation" sad excuse conveniently ignores the reality that Trump is far far more than just a person. When we say TRUMP - it can mean the campaign, the business empire , the administration in addition to the individual who bears that last name and is President.

 

[haymarket]

Your weaknesses are your problem. Not mine.

Except you already conceded the truth of my statement applying to all humanity - yourself included. You only wanted to quibble about degrees with some more than others.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Except you already conceded the truth of my statement applying to all humanity - yourself included. You only wanted to quibble about degrees with some more than others.

Well.....the side with the biggest weaknesses is the side that is still crying and whining over the results of the 2016 election.

 

[Athanasius68]

Its the definitive answer to the nonsense that we have not proven any collusion. The investigation is ongoing and there is much ahead to be discovered before findings are made .... in words everybody can understand ... its not over until the fat lady sings. Which is why I keep asking who won the ball game in the second inning. The investigation(s) are only in the early stages - especially the one headed up by Mueller.

For the Trump apologists and right wing to keep saying 'but you have not proven any collision' is utterly inane, ridiculous and senseless because its not evidence of anything other than the investigation(s) are far from finished and collusion could still be proven down the road.

This reminds me of the stupidly inane "Trump is not under investigation" that the right kept repeating like some kind of mantra of spiritual purity. It means nothing because at any time Trump could be the target of any investigation and indeed we now have many reports that he is including his own admission in tweets. And the White House tells us repeatedly that when Trump tweets it - it his his official position.

Plus the "Trump is not under investigation" sad excuse conveniently ignores the reality that Trump is far far more than just a person. When we say TRUMP - it can mean the campaign, the business empire , the administration in addition to the individual who bears that last name and is President.

The investigation by the FBI is NOT a criminal investigation. It is a COUNTERINTELLIGENCE investigation. The objective was not to find evidence to put somebody in jail. The objective was to find out what Russia was doing and what could be done to prevent in the future. That's why they went to the FISA courts last year for warrants. That's the kind of stuff those courts do.

It's also why there is no obstruction of justice in the firing of Comey. As there was no justice being sought, judtice could therefore not be obstructed.

But you are right that the special counsel is nothing more than a fishing expedition against anything Trump or connected to Trump. And of course, something will be found. Whether it has anything to do with these issues remains to be seen.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Lol......I think Comey should have gotten the memo notarized.
Most Banks offer notary servives for free if your'e a account holder ! He could have got it done there.

Its worthless as evidence, not to mention he shared its contents after the fact with the intention of it being leaked to the press.

If I was head of the FBI top investigator in the land I would record everything. I would want to make sure there was no confusion or this nonsense of he said she said crap. Of course I would not want to record meetings where what I was saying or doing was not above board and legal.

 

[haymarket]

Well.....the side with the biggest weaknesses is the side that is still crying and whining over the results of the 2016 election.

Which is both unprovable and irrelevant to the point being discussed.

 

[haymarket]

The investigation by the FBI is NOT a criminal investigation. It is a COUNTERINTELLIGENCE investigation. The objective was not to find evidence to put somebody in jail. The objective was to find out what Russia was doing and what could be done to prevent in the future. That's why they went to the FISA courts last year for warrants. That's the kind of stuff those courts do.

It's also why there is no obstruction of justice in the firing of Comey. As there was no justice being sought, judtice could therefore not be obstructed.

But you are right that the special counsel is nothing more than a fishing expedition against anything Trump or connected to Trump. And of course, something will be found. Whether it has anything to do with these issues remains to be seen.

That is beyond absurd. Trump can well be charged with obstructing justice if it is found he attempted to impede any investigation of which he was a part of.

 

[Anthony60]

Budgets under Republican leadership have been arguably more irresponsible than under Obama. The whole idea that Democrats differ from Republicans on the issue of deficits and national debt, is a fiction. GWB had the highest % increase of deficit spending of all times.. mostly because the Bush Tax Cuts punched a golem sized hole in revenue.. as a % of GDP revenue went as low as 15%, even before the crash. Bush and Reagan fiscal policy was more irresponsible than anything Obama did. Obama actually reduced the deficits 2/3 from what he was given. Republicans just put their spending on a credit card, because they don't want to fund the government with tax revenue. You believe in a fiction Anthony60.

You need to move out of Fantasy Island and check into Realville. Save that "Obama cut spending" BS for the world class morons. And, please, I'm a Conservative and I don't care for the spending of either party.

Yup, I said spending, because that's where the debt comes from, not tax cuts. That's another one you can save for the low information types. The real gullible ones.


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[Winston]

You need to move out of Fantasy Island and check into Realville. Save that "Obama cut spending" BS for the world class morons. And, please, I'm a Conservative and I don't care for the spending of either party.

Yup, I said spending, because that's where the debt comes from, not tax cuts. That's another one you can save for the low information types. The real gullible ones.


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Modern Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than Enron.

 

[Captain America]

This is a standard tactic of the left. Trump says Comey better hope their aren't any tapes. As the left is prone to do, they set out on a misinformation campaign and proceed as if Trump said "I have tapes."

Then Trump says no, there aren't any tapes. Now, they leave behind what he factually/actually said and call him a liar, in an effort to get people to believe, ironically, their lie about him lying. Just say it, over, and over, and over... hoping that people don't know the facts.

You really have to question a party that needs to do this to try and win elections.

Yes you do. And there is no shortage of misinformation that has come from the right-wing propaganda machine as well. You should not take a condescending viewpoint as your side of the peanut gallery has absolutely no moral high-ground to stand on. (Although I do not blame the right for Russia's part in all the fake news and propaganda submitted during the last election. They merely fell for and benefited from it.)

As we all can see, spin, half-truths and outright lies can get a fellow elected to the highest offices in our land. Almost can't blame the lefty's for also utilizing the tactic but it's still wrong. That's why I called it out.)

But I do find it somewhat curious to see the left starting to utilize this tactic more and more. It's hard to tell them apart from the ditto-heads anymore. I was hoping they would be above such bad form.

 

[Winston]

You need to move out of Fantasy Island and check into Realville. Save that "Obama cut spending" BS for the world class morons. And, please, I'm a Conservative and I don't care for the spending of either party.

Yup, I said spending, because that's where the debt comes from, not tax cuts. That's another one you can save for the low information types. The real gullible ones.


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The Tax Cuts are the primary drivers of the national debt. Republicans are responsible for the debt. It's a fairly simple concept. If the government needs 4 trillion to function, and you cut taxes so, the government only collects 3.5 Trillion, then you gave 1/2 Trillion away, and put it on the public's credit card.

 

[Winston]

You need to move out of Fantasy Island and check into Realville. Save that "Obama cut spending" BS for the world class morons. And, please, I'm a Conservative and I don't care for the spending of either party.

Yup, I said spending, because that's where the debt comes from, not tax cuts. That's another one you can save for the low information types. The real gullible ones.


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[Athanasius68]

That is beyond absurd. Trump can well be charged with obstructing justice if it is found he attempted to impede any investigation of which he was a part of.

There was NO criminal investigation. There was NO JUSTICE to obstruct.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

That is beyond absurd. Trump can well be charged with obstructing justice if it is found he attempted to impede any investigation of which he was a part of.

Comey told Trump he was not under investigation. That means Trump was not obstructing an investigation and has every right as Comey's boss to fire him. Case closed.

 

[Athanasius68]

Comey told Trump he was not under investigation. That means Trump was not obstructing an investigation and has every right as Comey's boss to fire him. Case closed.

The counter argument would be that, during the counterintelligence investigation, evidence of a criminal nature would be found. The government would therefore be obligated to investigate that. Thus, the firing of Comey was to prevent the discovery of criminal activity in the midst of a non criminal investigation.
The problem here is:
1. Trump had said he wants the Russua investigation.
2. The firing of Comey did not end the investigation.
3. Trump has the authority to end the investigation himself.
4. Trump has done nothing to block the investigation beyond firing Comey (if one wishes to claim the firing Comey was exactly for that purpose).

 

[Anthony60]

Modern Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than Enron.

I really don't care about Enron.

 

[Fenton Lum]

I really don't care about Enron.

Good point, its Goldman Sachs who is always running the white house.

 

[Paperview]

There was NO criminal investigation. There was NO JUSTICE to obstruct.

There is a criminal investigation into Flynn. That is who Trump was intervening on behalf of.

Let me ask you: If I'm a governor -- and I have a cousin who is being investigated by the Chief of Police in Townsville for a potential felony -- if I call up that Chief, ask him to a private dinner at the Governor's mansion, and at that dinner, ask him “I hope you can see your way clear to letting my cousin go"

do you think that would be an attempt of obstruction of justice?

 

[Anthony60]

The Tax Cuts are the primary drivers of the national debt. Republicans are responsible for the debt. It's a fairly simple concept. If the government needs 4 trillion to function, and you cut taxes so, the government only collects 3.5 Trillion, then you gave 1/2 Trillion away, and put it on the public's credit card.

That's small-minded reasoning there, son. Who says the government needs $4 trillion to run? Go ahead, tell us how the government is really cutting it to the bone and can do with no less. Psst... there's an entire economy out there that reacts to things like tax cuts.