Trump: I didn't record secret tapes of James Comey

[haymarket]

Ok-- so explain how justice can be obstructed if not being sought?

The pursuit of justice is at the heart ... at the very center ... is the very life blood of why we have government in the first place. The highest authority tells us so as the Founders carefully explained for us the very purpose of the US Constitution and the establishment of the government that flows from it.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

That is why the Constitution was written and government established and the various powers given to branches of the government - which includes Congress and which includes the Executive Branch - both of which are conducting investigations into the matter. Justice indeed is the key to everything here and it is being pursued every second of the day in the activities of government for such is the very purpose of our nation in the first place.

 

[MAGAnificent]

They are the primary driver of the national debt. We're done accepting cons lies.

You haven't the foggiest clue what you are talking about. You are just repeating DNC talking point drivel.

 

[Winston]

You haven't the foggiest clue what you are talking about. You are just repeating DNC talking point drivel.

No, you're just upset because I'm telling you that supply side is fraudulent and the ego is a fragile specimen.

 

[Athanasius68]

Justice is always being sought. That is one of the main purposes why man has government in the first place.

even Superman knew that when with every action he "fights a never ending battle for Truth, Justice and the American Way."

Justice is always being sought after and is a motivation of government and our very civilization.

I see. I thought you were going to cite something in the Constitution.
Instead you cite a comic book.

Yet again... The investigation was counterintelligence, to gather information as to what happened and how to prevent its reoccurrence. The objective was not prosecute in a court of law.
As such, legally, justice was not being sought. Thus it could not be obstructed.

 

[Athanasius68]

1. You seem to keep ignoring Flynn is under criminal investigation, of which Trump tried to abuse his power to obstruct justice. Der.

2. It's nice to see Trumpers come right out and say **** ethics or appropriateness. Obstruct away!

3. Legally, Nixon could fire Archibald Cox. It didn't work out too good for him. Should Trump order Mueller fired, whoa, Nelly, hang onto your horses.

1. So now it's abuse of power. Ok-- well, the investigation continues. Not sure what abuse exists.
2. Obstruction of justice is a legal term. Ethics and appropriateness are not.
3. Different issues. Nixon firing Cox created a political firestorm, not a legal one. Impeachment is possible without having actually violated a law.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Non-story.

Trump never claimed he ever made any direct recordings.

You're right. He didn't. Nor did he make any threats. He just planted a seed of doubt in Comey's mind that such recordings might exist to seriously encourage Comey to tell the truth when he appeared before Congress. Which Comey probably did.

The fact that the MSM and all the extremist wackos' on social media and message boards heads exploded as they fell all over themselves to come up with more creative ways to make it sound different than it was and to come up with new conspiracy theories just made it more fun.

 

[Fenton Lum]

You haven't the foggiest clue what you are talking about. You are just repeating DNC talking point drivel.

From a guy whose screen name is RNC talking point drivel. Classic.

 

[Fenton Lum]

You're right. He didn't. Nor did he make any threats. He just planted a seed of doubt in Comey's mind that such recordings might exist to seriously encourage Comey to tell the truth when he appeared before Congress. Which Comey probably did.

The fact that the MSM and all the extremist wackos' on social media and message boards heads exploded as they fell all over themselves to come up with more creative ways to make it sound different than it was and to come up with new conspiracy theories just made it more fun.

Don has no relationship with the truth and you can't even call the liar a liar. Everyone sees it, some just swallow-n-follow like you do. Stay in your safe space if you can't handle it.

 

[Paperview]

1. So now it's abuse of power. Ok-- well, the investigation continues. Not sure what abuse exists.
2. Obstruction of justice is a legal term. Ethics and appropriateness are not.
3. Different issues. Nixon firing Cox created a political firestorm, not a legal one. Impeachment is possible without having actually violated a law.

You're just heap a load plenty of strawmen, aren't you? When someone is high levels tries to Obstruct Justice in this manner this is, by definition, abuse of power to- joined at the hip. Derp.

O o J is also a political term - as one can see from the last two Articles of Impeachment drawn up.

In constructing your strawmen, you breezed right past what I said in #3, but you did get one term right: political firestorm. Created by Nixon for firing Cox. Think on that.

 

[MAGAnificent]

No, you're just upset because I'm telling you that supply side is fraudulent and the ego is a fragile specimen.

No, son. I am not upset at all. I am correct. You cannot defend your own argument. You know even less about the housing bubble then you do about taxes or debt. It shows. And it's clear tjhat you do not have the foggiest clue about supply side economics. It exists with or without tax cuts in any capitalist economy.

 

[MAGAnificent]

From a guy whose screen name is RNC talking point drivel. Classic.

But then, I am not a republican and I do not have any connection to the RNC My screen name is about that insanely stupid legislation known as Obamacare. if it has been designed and passed by republicans, I would be bashing it just as hard. Soon I will get to change it to "ObamacareFailed".

 

[Paperview]

You're right. He didn't. Nor did he make any threats. He just planted a seed of doubt in Comey's mind that such recordings might exist to seriously encourage Comey to tell the truth when he appeared before Congress. Which Comey probably did.

Trump two weeks ago: Comey told so many lies
Trump now: Threatening Comey with imaginary tapes made him tell the truth

Many Trump cultists have serious conflicts with reality and the truth.

 

[rocket88]

So Comey had to be " intimidated " not to perjur himself ?

It didnt fail at all, the Left and the Media played up Comey's testimony to epic proportions and bars opened up at 9 so all the millenials could celebrate Trumps impending impeachment.

MSNBC and CNN were talking impeachment prior to Comeys testimony, and what did he testify to ?
That Trump was never under investigation, and that Trump told him to look into his associates and get back to him.
Lol ! Yea it really failed miserably. It just killed the Russian collusion narrative thats all

Dems were forced to go to plan B, " obstruction " after Comeys testimony, yea good luck with that.

Trump thought Comey needed to be intimidated to tell the truth. Are you saying Trump was wrong?

 

[rocket88]

But then, I am not a republican and I do not have any connection to the RNC My screen name is about that insanely stupid legislation known as Obamacare. if it has been designed and passed by republicans, I would be bashing it just as hard. Soon I will get to change it to "ObamacareFailed".

So you'll be changing your name to TrumpCareFail? Forgive me for having doubts.

 

[haymarket]

I see. I thought you were going to cite something in the Constitution.

Oh but I did. See my post 501 which was here before you even posted this.

 

[Paperview]

Biographer On ‘Lying’ Donald Trump: He Tried To Intimidate Me With Tapes, Too
But he finally admitted that no tapes existed, said “TrumpNation” author Timothy O’Brien.

"Biographer Timothy O’Brien knows exactly what booted FBI Director James Comey is going through. Like Comey, O’Brien was accused of lying by Donald Trump — and Trump threatened to reveal tapes of the conversations. But the litigious real estate developer eventually admitted in a deposition that he was the one who had misrepresented the truth 30 times — and acknowledged that he had no tapes.

Trump sued O’Brien in 2005 for $5 billion over his book TrumpNation: The Art of Being The Donald. But Trump lost the case, and ended up admitting to a litany of lies at his 2007 deposition.

Trump has often said over the year to reporters, “I just want to let you know I’m taping you right now,’” O’Brien, formerly of HuffPost and now executive editor at Bloomberg View, said Sunday on CNN’s “Reliable Sources.” He also “said it multiple times during my interviews with him.”

When Trump finally admitted there were no tapes, O’Brien said his attorney asked him why he had lied. “He essentially said: ‘I wanted to intimidate him,’” O’Brien recalled."

Standard MO for the *****-grabber.

 

[MAGAnificent]

So you'll be changing your name to TrumpCareFail? Forgive me for having doubts.

I will lose no sleep over your doubts. As for Trumpcare, I will wait and see what the final passed bill looks like before judging it. I already know that Obamacare is an insanely bad bill. It will die regardless of whether or not the GOP bill passes.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Trump two weeks ago: Comey told so many lies
Trump now: Threatening Comey with imaginary tapes made him tell the truth

Many Trump cultists have serious conflicts with reality and the truth.

And Trump haters can't stand the idea that every evil thing that think about President Trump just isn't so.

 

[Fenton]

Trump thought Comey needed to be intimidated to tell the truth. Are you saying Trump was wrong?

Not perjuring himself should have been intimidation enough.
Or is being put under oath now a humab rights violation ?

 

[Fenton]

Biographer On ‘Lying’ Donald Trump: He Tried To Intimidate Me With Tapes, Too
But he finally admitted that no tapes existed, said “TrumpNation” author Timothy O’Brien.

"Biographer Timothy O’Brien knows exactly what booted FBI Director James Comey is going through. Like Comey, O’Brien was accused of lying by Donald Trump — and Trump threatened to reveal tapes of the conversations. But the litigious real estate developer eventually admitted in a deposition that he was the one who had misrepresented the truth 30 times — and acknowledged that he had no tapes.

Trump sued O’Brien in 2005 for $5 billion over his book TrumpNation: The Art of Being The Donald. But Trump lost the case, and ended up admitting to a litany of lies at his 2007 deposition.

Trump has often said over the year to reporters, “I just want to let you know I’m taping you right now,’” O’Brien, formerly of HuffPost and now executive editor at Bloomberg View, said Sunday on CNN’s “Reliable Sources.” He also “said it multiple times during my interviews with him.”

When Trump finally admitted there were no tapes, O’Brien said his attorney asked him why he had lied. “He essentially said: ‘I wanted to intimidate him,’” O’Brien recalled."

Standard MO for the *****-grabber.

I think the Left is a little upset that Comey didnt give them exactly what they wanted, what they expected during his testimony.
The only intimidation Comey should have been feeling at the time was to not lie under oath, to not perjur himself.
Thats usually enough to get the truth out of any witness.

 

[Athanasius68]

You're just heap a load plenty of strawmen, aren't you? When someone is high levels tries to Obstruct Justice in this manner this is, by definition, abuse of power to- joined at the hip. Derp.

O o J is also a political term - as one can see from the last two Articles of Impeachment drawn up.

In constructing your strawmen, you breezed right past what I said in #3, but you did get one term right: political firestorm. Created by Nixon for firing Cox. Think on that.

1.obstruction of justice is a specific legal term. Abuse of power isn't. It is absolutely true obstruction of justice could be abuse of power. But since the Flynn investigation never stopped, it's to tough to see how either could be true.
2. Both articles of impeachment specified what was being obstructed.
3. Not sure what I breezed through. We both seemed to agree that these were massive political problems as opposed to legal ones.

 

[rocket88]

Not perjuring himself should have been intimidation enough.
Or is being put under oath now a humab rights violation ?

I'm just saying that you are questioning if he needed to be intimidated. Trump thought so. Do you question His wisdom?

 

[Winston]

No, son. I am not upset at all. I am correct. You cannot defend your own argument. You know even less about the housing bubble then you do about taxes or debt. It shows. And it's clear tjhat you do not have the foggiest clue about supply side economics. It exists with or without tax cuts in any capitalist economy.

Here's a chart so you can see..

As you can see after Reagan cut taxes revenue as a % of GDP dropped off and it never really picked back up until Clinton raised taxes. The numbers bare out. I've done the calculations personally. Reagan averaged a lower revenue as a % of GDP than under Bill Clinton's tax increases. So did Bush. You're just.. wrong. Tax Cuts did not create booming revenues. It's a common misconception conservatives have and conservatives, almost without exception can't accept that they've been wrong this whole time.. hence the upset ego needing to denigrate an opponent with false accusations of ignorance.

 

[Athanasius68]

The pursuit of justice is at the heart ... at the very center ... is the very life blood of why we have government in the first place. The highest authority tells us so as the Founders carefully explained for us the very purpose of the US Constitution and the establishment of the government that flows from it.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

That is why the Constitution was written and government established and the various powers given to branches of the government - which includes Congress and which includes the Executive Branch - both of which are conducting investigations into the matter. Justice indeed is the key to everything here and it is being pursued every second of the day in the activities of government for such is the very purpose of our nation in the first place.

Ok-- so you are using the term in its generic sense. Fair enough.
But let's understand that justice is not simply the ends, it's also the means. Justice can be served in a conviction, an aquittal, or not even investigating.

So to that end:
1. Nothing has been produced that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that Trump is guilty of a crime, and would be then subject to the appropriate penalties.
2. Nothing has been produced that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that Mr. Trump should be subject to a court proceeding to determine his guilt on the subject.
3. Nothing has been produced to that would lead a reasonable person to weigh whether criminal proceedings should proceed.
4. Nothing has been produced that would lead s reasonable person to start an investigation as to whether criminal proceedings should even exist.
Considering that Mr. Trump is an American citizen, and entitled to justice as well, where is the justice on going on a fishing expedition?

 

[Parrish]

What you deem a "fishing expedition" is called an on-going investigation. They happen every day to determine probable cause, guilt or innocence.

So to that end,since we are not privy to all of the evidence and testimony it might be better to wait for the final result.