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The One & Only Way To Reduce/Stop Abortions

Dragonfly said:
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The main reason women seek an abortion is due to some kind of financial hardship. Your 'solution' doesn't address that, so your 'solution' is worthless.
 
Tryingtogetit said:
I must say i agree with your list... yes stopping the issue before there is a issue is best....However i would like to add on and that is the bible, Our country falls further and further away from God with each generation taking therre kids to church less and less. (i am also guilty of this) my kids grew up with me having strong morals and they knew my morals were based on the bible and we did go on and off over the years so they are saved and know God, however so many today just don;t. And this may sound corney but i swear from my own experience can say when you go to church and read your bible it makes you a better person. You start to not do things that God says not to do and find your self doing more good things, making choices like to have sex or not to is easy when you believe it is in your best intrest not to because God says so, and so you kno wits true. i think if we all did more church maybe we could then look around and not see so much kayos. I dont know that is my 2 cents
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A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).
 
Wayne Jr said:
"While abortion rates were highest for single women, those who were married (including common-law and separated) accounted for over one-quarter of all abortions performed in 1994."
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It's a bit dated, but let's see:

"While abortion rates were highest for single women, those who were married (including common-law and separated) accounted for over one-quarter of all abortions performed in 1994. Since 1974, the age-standardized abortion rate per 1,000 married women aged 15 to 44 almost doubled from 6.6 to 11.2. For most of these women, it was their first abortion, and the majority had taken at least one pregnancy to term."

PMID: 9474504

11.2 women per thousand is a hair over the one per cent he claimed. Selective quoting to win a point is disingenuous.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It's a bit dated, but let's see:

"While abortion rates were highest for single women, those who were married (including common-law and separated) accounted for over one-quarter of all abortions performed in 1994. Since 1974, the age-standardized abortion rate per 1,000 married women aged 15 to 44 almost doubled from 6.6 to 11.2. For most of these women, it was their first abortion, and the majority had taken at least one pregnancy to term."

PMID: 9474504

11.2 women per thousand is a hair over the one per cent he claimed. Selective quoting to win a point is disingenuous.
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11.2% is 11.2 times the number he gave. He was attempting to trivialize married women's presence in the abortion argument. The difference in number invalidates his tactic.

Additionally, "About 14% of abortion patients were married, and an additional 31% were cohabiting."[sup]link[/sup]

14% or 11.2%, his attempt to dismiss the presence of married women in the abortion discussion fails.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
The main reason women seek an abortion is due to some kind of financial hardship. Your 'solution' doesn't address that, so your 'solution' is worthless.
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While answers to financial hardships were not addressed.

I disagree with your statement. His / her ideas are not worthless.

Preventing/ lowering the number of unplanned pregnancies by providing birth control to women will decrease the numbers of unplanned pregnancies and thus decrease the numbers abortions.

Women do not abort wanted pregnancies unless something went medically wrong with the pregnancy or her physical health is at risk if she continues the pregnancy.
 
Wayne Jr said:
The main reason women seek an abortion is due to some kind of financial hardship. Your 'solution' doesn't address that, so your 'solution' is worthless.
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Wait, what???

Explain to me how women who are NOT pregnant, unless they actually plan to be pregnant, will still have abortions?
 
Dragonfly said:
Wait, what???

Explain to me how women who are NOT pregnant, unless they actually plan to be pregnant, will still have abortions?
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Who was talking about unpregnant women?

All abortion patients are women, not all women are abortion patients. I have no idea why you think your post was relevant.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Who was talking about unpregnant women?

All abortion patients are women, not all women are abortion patients. I have no idea why you think your post was relevant.
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So you did NOT actually read the OP. Not even a little.

Got it.
 
Dragonfly said:
So you did NOT actually read the OP. Not even a little.

Got it.
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I read the whole thing, and also replied to it. Still, no idea why you think I was talking about unpregnant women.
 
minnie616 said:
Women do not abort wanted pregnancies unless something went medically wrong with the pregnancy or her physical health is at risk if she continues the pregnancy.
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Guttmacher advises me otherwise:
"...Having a baby would dramatically interfere with their education, work or ability to care for their dependents, or they could not afford a baby at the time. In addition, qualitative data from in-depth interviews portrayed women who had had an abortion as typically feeling that they had no other choice, given their limited resources and existing responsibilities to others. ..."

Women’s Reasons for Having an Abortion | Guttmacher Institute

Abortion for medical reasons is a minority. If we are to have a serious discussion about resolving abortion, then the TOP item of conversation is personal socio-economic opportunity, with sex ed and birth control being little more than a footnote.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Guttmacher advises me otherwise:
"...Having a baby would dramatically interfere with their education, work or ability to care for their dependents, or they could not afford a baby at the time. In addition, qualitative data from in-depth interviews portrayed women who had had an abortion as typically feeling that they had no other choice, given their limited resources and existing responsibilities to others. ..."

Women’s Reasons for Having an Abortion |

Guttmacher Institute

Abortion for medical reasons is a minority. If we are to have a serious discussion about resolving abortion, then the TOP item of conversation is personal socio-economic opportunity, with sex ed and birth control being little more than a footnote.
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I think you did not read my post correctly.

I said wanted pregnancies ...meaning the woman wanted to become pregnant and was looking forward to giving birth.

Why would she abort a planned for and wanted pregnancy unless something went wrong and the health of the unborn or her health was in danger from the pregnancy ?
 
minnie616 said:
I think you did not read my post correctly.
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I read your post correctly. Many women who want to keep the pregnancy often feel that they have no choice but to abort, for the reasons quoted. Just because a woman has an abortion doesn't mean she wanted to. Since people are having reading comprehension issues today, no, I did not just say she was forced by someone to have an abortion. Adults often have to do things we don't want to do.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I read the whole thing, and also replied to it. Still, no idea why you think I was talking about unpregnant women.
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Basically half of all pregnancies in the US are unplanned or unintended.

So you’re suggesting that a large percentage of all abortions are from the half that actually planned to get pregnant, but then changed their minds roughly 3 months in to getting pregnant, and that’s mostly due to financial difficulties?

So they never thought about the cost of having a baby while they planned to have it, so they then decided to abort it?

That’s what you’re saying? Correct?


Whereas what I’m saying is that it’s the larger group of the unplanned pregnancy folks that get abortions for the simple fact that they didn’t plan to have a baby. Which is obviously then a rather huge financial burden that wasn’t planned for. So they get an abortion.

So you prevent that from happening, by preventing the unplanned pregnancy from happening in the first place.

How do you NOT see that as the perfect solution to the whole problem?
 
Dragonfly said:
That’s what you’re saying? Correct?
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No. Not correct. My statement was only about the women who seek an abortion, not about pregnant women who do not seek abortion or women who are not pregnant. Also, my statement was not about anyone's thoughts on the cost of raising a child since I have no data on that.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It's a bit dated, but let's see:

"While abortion rates were highest for single women, those who were married (including common-law and separated) accounted for over one-quarter of all abortions performed in 1994. Since 1974, the age-standardized abortion rate per 1,000 married women aged 15 to 44 almost doubled from 6.6 to 11.2. For most of these women, it was their first abortion, and the majority had taken at least one pregnancy to term."

PMID: 9474504

11.2 women per thousand is a hair over the one per cent he claimed. Selective quoting to win a point is disingenuous.
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And it went on and on, he wouldnt let it go. It was 26 yrs old AND he didnt interpret it correctly.
 
Dayton3 said:
To the former, there are plenty of laws both now and historically in the U.S. that are based on religion.

To the latter, agree to disagree.
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How can you disagree? It is fact that I am Christian. I don't tell you that you aren't Christian, so please give me the same courtesy.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It's a bit dated, but let's see:

"While abortion rates were highest for single women, those who were married (including common-law and separated) accounted for over one-quarter of all abortions performed in 1994. Since 1974, the age-standardized abortion rate per 1,000 married women aged 15 to 44 almost doubled from 6.6 to 11.2. For most of these women, it was their first abortion, and the majority had taken at least one pregnancy to term."

PMID: 9474504

11.2 women per thousand is a hair over the one per cent he claimed. Selective quoting to win a point is disingenuous.
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He is talking about percent of all abortions. You are talking about percent of all women in that age bracket.
 
Scrabaholic said:
How can you disagree? It is fact that I am Christian. I don't tell you that you aren't Christian, so please give me the same courtesy.
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Kinda hypocritical of him to say you're not a Christian when he posts things like this:

Dayton3 said:
Look everyone!! We have yet another mind reader on this forum.
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Wayne Jr said:
I read your post correctly. Many women who want to keep the pregnancy often feel that they have no choice but to abort, for the reasons quoted. Just because a woman has an abortion doesn't mean she wanted to. Since people are having reading comprehension issues today, no, I did not just say she was forced by someone to have an abortion. Adults often have to do things we don't want to do.
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Maybe some do feel they have no choice but I disagree with your many women.
The following December 2018 article says only 7.5 percent of all women of childbearing years in United States is pregnant, postpartum or trying to conceive .

Almost Two-Thirds of Women in the U.S. Use Some Form of Birth Control | SELF







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Wayne Jr said:
The main reason women seek an abortion is due to some kind of financial hardship. Your 'solution' doesn't address that, so your 'solution' is worthless.
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Okay, let's try this again.


The main reason women seek an abortion is due to some kind of financial hardship.
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Nothing to dispute there.

Your 'solution' doesn't address that
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Yeah, it actually does. Rather nicely too.

so your 'solution' is worthless.
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I disagree, but if you think so, tell me a better solution.
 
Dragonfly said:
Okay, let's try this again.




Nothing to dispute there.



Yeah, it actually does. Rather nicely too.



I disagree, but if you think so, tell me a better solution.
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I gave up trying to persuade Democrats. Want to know why? This same crap was happening the day I first joined a forum. When was that? Gee,. how about when Clinton was president.

So even then Democrats defended the execution of humans in the womb. And I see no change even here in 2020. Back then Democrats were positive when it became 2000, we all had to rush out to purchase supplies to keep us alive. We did not. We survived.
 
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