The One & Only Way To Reduce/Stop Abortions

[Robertinfremont]

Congress *cannot make any laws* that do not conform to the Constitution. So they cannot make abortion illegal. Women have a right to abortions based on many Constitutional rights spelled out in its amendments.

This is why I keep asking you to tell me HOW you see them doing so, legally. They cannot create laws that violate the Const.

Congress *cannot* create or recognize any rights for the unborn. They cannot declare "personhood" for the unborn. They do not have that power.

As such, they cannot make laws that protect the unborn at the expense of women's rights.

Do you get this now? Your continual asking for 'new laws' is not where the major changes you want can be made.

We have bumped into a very tall concrete wall. I know plenty about law. But I simply quit trying to accommodate your thinking.

This frankly reminds me of the tactic used by Adam Schiff vs the Defense of Trump. Repeats over and over praying this time the argument wins.

Schiff will soon lose. I wont take up residence in this rabbit hole for you or any other person.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I understand that . I had 6 known pregnancies.
My husband and I have 4 children all grown.

I had 2 miscarriages between our 2ed and 3rd child.

The first was an early miscarriage about 5 to 6 weeks.
I was about 20 weeks pregnant when during my fourth pregnancy when I had very hard contractions.
My husband rushed me to the ER We knew it was too early but hoped somehow doctors could delay the labor and our little one could born at a latter date alive healthy. That was not to be . A pregnancy test given and we told the little one had died within my womb.

So yes I know human life is involved in abortions and in miscarriages but sometimes things are not to be.

My husband and I had two more children after those miscarriages.

They are total joys to us.

If I had not had two miscarriages between our 2ed and 3rd child I probably never would have had our two youngest.

My husband had hope for and planned for 4 children. After our forth child was born my husband had a vasectomy because our family was complete.

I miscarried a very malformed little one.

I complete respect your story and doubt if you could have reversed history, your 4 kids would have suffered the fate of abortion Minnie. I know your lost children meant something to you.

 

[Robertinfremont]

No. Not even close.

To me, SCOTUS solved the problem just fine.

It's the religious talibornagain bible-thumpers who want to change what SCOTUS solved.

We are finished here.

 

[minnie616]

My kidney is an integral part of my body as is my heart.

The Baby is not a lung nor even a leg, She knows if she does not abort, she will bear a child who can then grow to be an adult.She deprives the child of liberty and all future rights as adults.

Bear in mind that the ruling justices did not make the argument you make.

Do you notice the word privacy in the 14th amendment?

Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Footnote by Robert

notice the word privacy is not there? Notice it says not to deprive others of life liberty or property with no due process? Does the unborn have equal protection?

Did you notice the key word

BORN also there is the key word person.

All persons born

The unborn are not persons and have never been persons in the U.S.

The unborn have never been a part of US Census.

 

[minnie616]

I frankly want you to explain why you prefer Guttmacher vs an actual Government site?

But I shall review what you are trying to accomplish. So far on Guttmacher it seems you want me to learn all of the states laws.

Again, my claim to begin with is if properly handled by the US congress this can all end sooner than later.

The CDC stats are government stats.

It is the CDC that collect most of the US stats regarding abortions.

Guttmacher took the state laws and put together to form an easy to read list.

 

[minnie616]

We have laws against murder (********) and we can't stop those either so lets get rid of the laws? Is that your reasoning?

As you have pointed laws do not stop actions.

Laws are there so the state may punish /prosecute and jail a person who broke said law .

 

[Robertinfremont]

As you have pointed laws do not stop actions.

Laws are there so the state may punish /prosecute and jail a person who broke said law .

As I have repeatedly commented, thousand of times, the problem with Democrats is not that the population is evil nor unkind. The people in Government are. I do not wish this to be 100 percent wet blanket, but the few decent Democrats can't stop laws and regulations etc from formulating into such hateful laws.

They are a device of punishment.

 

[AGENT J]

We are finished here.

Wow your dodge train never stops lol

Ill ask you again
A.) when did i say otherwise? (SCOTUS is not in charge of legislation) or was it just a meaningless strawman
B.) when did I say otherwise? (Roe v Wade has never been made as part of the legal code.) or was it just a meaningless strawman
C.) please quote what i actually said and show how im factually slithering away from it now
D.) how does fighting for something equal being thrilled?
E.) Please post the facts that show "I" believe a solution is name-calling
F.) Please quote me calling you a liar
G.) Please tell us all the states that allow abortion to occur by birthing a healthy baby and just leaving it to die
H.) Please quote me saying "I didn't say you lie"
I) show me factually attacking you as a person
J) What rights would you give to the unborn?
K.) who said its a constitutional right to kill your own children for the crime they are not yet born.
l.) How would you make the rights factually equal between unborn and mother

let us know, thanks!

 

[Razorsedge64]

The whole abortion topic as well as immigration is another identity politics wedge issue that will never be settled because it works to divide us and encourage rage voters.

Lets look at the logic of banning abortion. To Repubs it’s all those crazy Dems murdering their babies. So if that’s true which of course it isn’t what would the result be if not more crazy Dems? The logic Repubs use on this issue is nonexistent.

And the fact it’s mainly Republican males spewing this ridiculous narrative sure makes them look like the only way they can possibly reproduce is by banning abortion.

Hilarious isn’t it ?


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[Lursa]

We have bumped into a very tall concrete wall. I know plenty about law. But I simply quit trying to accommodate your thinking.

This frankly reminds me of the tactic used by Adam Schiff vs the Defense of Trump. Repeats over and over praying this time the argument wins.

Schiff will soon lose. I wont take up residence in this rabbit hole for you or any other person.

So you have no answers? No way to further your own arguments? You would just like to see Congress pull unConstiutional laws out of the butts to accommodate your view?

That's pretty much all you've provided here so far. In a discussion, perspectives and opinions need to be supported by arguments. You apparently cannot do so...that's fine but do not denigrate me or my solid arguments (yes...you certainly have not proven otherwise).

 

[Lursa]

You and I too are at loggerheads, We have no path forward.

This is now your reply to everyone and esp. all people that have civilly responded to you and taken the time to provide arguments.

You should just admit you are in over your head here...you dont have an argument to make...only a belief that you would like to see supported.

This is very poor behavior on a discussion forum.

 

[Robertinfremont]

This is now your reply to everyone and esp. all people that have civilly responded to you and taken the time to provide arguments.

You should just admit you are in over your head here...you dont have an argument to make...only a belief that you would like to see supported.

This is very poor behavior on a discussion forum.

I did not insult you when I said we are at loggerheads. No, you have not trapped me in living in this Rabbit hole with your taunts.

 

[Robertinfremont]

So you have no answers? No way to further your own arguments? You would just like to see Congress pull unConstiutional laws out of the butts to accommodate your view?

That's pretty much all you've provided here so far. In a discussion, perspectives and opinions need to be supported by arguments. You apparently cannot do so...that's fine but do not denigrate me or my solid arguments (yes...you certainly have not proven otherwise).

I am not denigrating you to refuse to live in this rabbit hole.

Think what you want. But I am not bugs bunny.

 

[soylentgreen]

My kidney is an integral part of my body as is my heart.

The Baby is not a lung nor even a leg, She knows if she does not abort, she will bear a child who can then grow to be an adult.She deprives the child of liberty and all future rights as adults.

Bear in mind that the ruling justices did not make the argument you make.

Do you notice the word privacy in the 14th amendment?

Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Footnote by Robert

notice the word privacy is not there? Notice it says not to deprive others of life liberty or property with no due process? Does the unborn have equal protection?

Again not true. You can remove a part of your kidney to save another persons life and still function quite well. People do donate their kidney to save the lives of others.

You speak against her having an abortion because it deprives another of life and yet do not speak against an amendment which gives you the right to refuse to save a life in need of a kidney. The right that allows you body autonomy is the right you refuse to admit a woman has.

Your argument is a contradiction. You speak of a possible person not one that actually exists, yet you quote a part of the constitutional amendment that specifically states " all persons born." That which is being aborted cannot be a person born. That particular amendment does not support your view.

 

[Lursa]

I did not insult you when I said we are at loggerheads. No, you have not trapped me in living in this Rabbit hole with your taunts.

I am stating fact...if you find that insulting...look to your own behavior.

 

[Lursa]

I am not denigrating you to refuse to live in this rabbit hole.

Think what you want. But I am not bugs bunny.

What are you doing here then, in a discussion forum? You have not done so and now are disrespecting several people that over and over tried to provide and restate arguments so that you could 'understand' them according to your requests.

It is very poor behavior. And yes...it's clear you have no informed view beyond...somebody please make laws that stop abortion!!!!

 

[Scrabaholic]

In my opinion, they are thrilled. So much so they fight for it.

Bovine excrement. If a non smoker joins a smoker's rights group and they fight for the right to smoke anywhere, does that mean s/he is thrilled by smoking? No. I am a non smoker, I hate smoking and think it's a dirty habit, but I believe that smokers should have the right to smoke, though reasonable restrictions ie not in stores, are okay.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Bovine excrement. If a non smoker joins a smoker's rights group and they fight for the right to smoke anywhere, does that mean s/he is thrilled by smoking? No. I am a non smoker, I hate smoking and think it's a dirty habit, but I believe that smokers should have the right to smoke, though reasonable restrictions ie not in stores, are okay.

Around 1987 I quit smoking.

 

[Razorsedge64]

The whole abortion topic as well as immigration is another identity politics wedge issue that will never be settled because it works to divide us and encourage rage voters.

Lets look at the logic of banning abortion. To Repubs it’s all those crazy Dems murdering their babies. So if that’s true which of course it isn’t what would the result be if not more crazy Dems? The logic Repubs use on this issue is nonexistent.

And the fact it’s mainly Republican males spewing this ridiculous narrative sure makes them look like the only way they can possibly reproduce is by banning abortion.

Hilarious isn’t it ?


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[Razorsedge64]

Around 1987 I quit smoking.

God hates quitters lol. No great that you quit. I’ve been smoking for I don’t know ever. Hasn’t slowed me down one bit. I exercise regularly, cycle avidly, have almost zero body fat and hate to brag but for 55 I look better than most males my age. Will it kill me ? Probably. But at least I’ll know why and whose fault it was.


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[Dragonfly]

We are finished here.

I accept your surrender.

 

[Scrabaholic]

I must say i agree with your list... yes stopping the issue before there is a issue is best....However i would like to add on and that is the bible, Our country falls further and further away from God with each generation taking therre kids to church less and less. (i am also guilty of this) my kids grew up with me having strong morals and they knew my morals were based on the bible and we did go on and off over the years so they are saved and know God, however so many today just don;t. And this may sound corney but i swear from my own experience can say when you go to church and read your bible it makes you a better person. You start to not do things that God says not to do and find your self doing more good things, making choices like to have sex or not to is easy when you believe it is in your best intrest not to because God says so, and so you kno wits true. i think if we all did more church maybe we could then look around and not see so much kayos. I dont know that is my 2 cents

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Your religious beliefs apply to YOU. Laws should not be based on religion.

I am Christian and pro choice.

 

[Dayton3]

Your religious beliefs apply to YOU. Laws should not be based on religion.

I am Christian and pro choice.

To the former, there are plenty of laws both now and historically in the U.S. that are based on religion.

To the latter, agree to disagree.

 

[Razorsedge64]

Can’t get pregnant from anal sex problem solved.


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[roguenuke]

To the former, there are plenty of laws both now and historically in the U.S. that are based on religion.

To the latter, agree to disagree.

And most are either no longer able to be enforced, have been repealed, or found to serve a secular purpose. The rest are nuisances that will likely go away as people change their views, such a blue laws (which have been slowly changing/getting removed/voted out.

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