The One & Only Way To Reduce/Stop Abortions

[Robertinfremont]

Yes, several of us reposted and re-stated our arguments to accomodate you and your apparently poor understanding of the facts of the issue (legal and moral). And you never managed to discuss any of it, you just kept writing 'Make new laws so you cant kill the babies!'

Even when pointed out that you cant make laws that are unConstitutional and you had no suggestions on how to legally justify changes.

Hell, I did more than that. I posited a way to make sure it is constitutional. Amend the god damned Constitution. Are you truly not capable of reading?

Stop blaming me for not refuting to your satisfaction such outlandish and poor argument made against me.

 

[minnie616]

ONLY SAVED if you manage to force me to spend it at all. And you quit forcing me.

And since the woman’s insurance covers it ...you are not covering it.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Why would my feelings be hurt by your TMI post???

Please explain?

There's no rational explanation I see.

Your feelings never should have been hurt since my story was not about you. But you landed on me like you were injured.

 

[Lursa]

Hell, I did more than that. I posited a way to make sure it is constitutional. Amend the god damned Constitution. Are you truly not capable of reading?

Stop blaming me for not refuting to your satisfaction such outlandish and poor argument made against me.

And for that amendment, I asked you for the legal justification that they could use...some examples...that would justify recognizing rights as persons for the unborn that superseded those of women and would cause women's rights to be violated in the enforcement of protecting the unborn.

How can you legally justify taking rights away from women in order to recognize them for the unborn? Please explain? They cannot be treated equally under the law, not even with Const. amendments.

I even linked to 'balancing rights' for you.

 

[Robertinfremont]

And since the woman’s insurance covers it ...you are not covering it.

It to me is akin to my car. I have my policy. But my policy does not cover washing and waxing the car nor replacing the Tires and windshield wipers.

Insurance in other words is not a catch all to pay bills.

 

[Lursa]

Your feelings never should have been hurt since my story was not about you. But you landed on me like you were injured.

Of course my feelings werent hurt.

I was commenting on the inappropriateness of your examples that had nothing to do with solutions for abortion (the topic) and were racist.

 

[Robertinfremont]

And I asked you for the legal justification that they could use...some examples...that would justify recognizing rights as persons for the unborn that superseded those of women and would cause women's rights to be violated in the enforcement of protecting the unborn.

How can you legally justify taking rights away from women in order to recognize them for the unborn? Please explain? They cannot be treated equally under the law, not even with Const. amendments.

That's what i resented a lot. YOU moving the goal posts. You load up your comments with a ton of conditions created by you. i am not responsible for your conditions.

 

[minnie616]

Hell, I did more than that. I posited a way to make sure it is constitutional. Amend the god damned Constitution. Are you truly not capable of reading?

Stop blaming me for not refuting to your satisfaction such outlandish and poor argument made against me.

Actually , the only way to make abortion illegal in all of the states would be to pass a pershood amendment to the US Constitution.

A few individual states have tried but failed to pass a personhood amendment to their state Constitution.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Of course my feelings werent hurt.

I was commenting on the inappropriateness of your examples that had nothing to do with solutions for abortion (the topic) and were racist.

That is simply your opinion. When it is my opinion, you load up on me and to to town creating your conditions.

For example. Who appointed you Czar of what is appropriate or not?

Will you stand for a person going to town on you when you tell a personal story?

 

[Lursa]

That's what i resented a lot. YOU moving the goal posts. You load up your comments with a ton of conditions created by you. i am not responsible for your conditions.

I never moved the goal posts...you gave your solution...I pointed out that it's not possible and asked you civil and reasonable questions. So then it's up to you to provide some legal foundation for the solution. That's how discussions work.

If you claim the moon is made of green cheese...are we supposed to believe it? No, you still have to at least provide some support for your claim.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Actually , the only way to make abortion illegal in all of the states would be to pass a pershood amendment to the US Constitution.

A few individual states have tried but failed to pass a personhood amendment to their state Constitution.

When they outlawed slavery in the amendment, there is no wording about personhood. i do not get why humans in the womb can't be legally called humans. Frankly if she is pregnant with a cat or dog, she needs to swap partners.

 

[Lursa]

That is simply your opinion. When it is my opinion, you load up on me and to to town creating your conditions.

For example. Who appointed you Czar of what is appropriate or not?

Will you stand for a person going to town on you when you tell a personal story?

Oh stop playing the victim. I'm not interested in any of this.

Please just stick to the topic and actual discussion.

Your stories had nothing related to solutions for abortion, that's clear.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I never moved the goal posts...you gave your solution...I pointed out that it's not possible and asked you civil and reasonable questions. So then it's up to you to provide some legal foundation for the solution. That's how discussions work.

If you claim the moon is made of green cheese...are we supposed to believe it? No, you still have to at least provide some support for your claim.

No, it is solely your own personal opinion why it is not possible. And of course you tried to bait me into being responsible for your baiting questions. That is how Democrats operate.

 

[Wayne Jr]

I confess that was so short and nondescript I can't make heads of tales of your remark. Care to go into detail?

It literally says "Libertarian" under my name.

And I can't be 'convinced' to be Pro-Life so don't waste your time trying. We can work to reduce unwanted pregnancy but when a the inevitable unwanted pregnancy occured in the population, abortion is and should remain an option.

 

[Lursa]

No, it is solely your own personal opinion why it is not possible. And of course you tried to bait me into being responsible for your baiting questions. That is how Democrats operate.

Fine...if I'm wrong...prove it, counter it. That's called arguing a point in a discussion :doh

If it's possible to treat born and unborn equally under the law (as I've asked you before) please explain how?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Oh stop playing the victim. I'm not interested in any of this.

Please just stick to the topic and actual discussion.

Your stories had nothing related to solutions for abortion, that's clear.

The victim you say? You were not even involved in my own personal story when you assumed the role of victim. And I stick to what I have said from day 1. I proposed and you hated it. So what?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Fine...if I'm wrong...prove it, counter it. That's called arguing a point in a discussion :doh

If it's possible to treat born and unborn equally under the law (as I've asked you before) please explain how?

Wait the damned minute. Now the goal posts are moved again. First you do not need to prove your claims and now you want me to jump off first?

How can you do it. Well we did it for slaves in the amendment. I said that is a solution here too. Slaves were not persons per the constitution.

 

[Lursa]

The victim you say? You were not even involved in my own personal story when you assumed the role of victim. And I stick to what I have said from day 1. I proposed and you hated it. So what?

I'm not playing the victim, you are, complaining over and over about how you're being treated.

I'm not, nor is anyone else. Just you...playing the victim in order to avoid the actual discussion.

 

[Lursa]

Wait the damned minute. Now the goal posts are moved again. First you do not need to prove your claims and now you want me to jump off first?

I cant prove something that doesnt exist...you cant treat born and unborn equally. It's not possible. So how can I prove otherwise? :roll:

If you disagree, why? Explain how they can be treated equally under the law? Otherwise you must agree with me.

(I'm not moving the goal posts, this question is the foundation for why they cant make a Const. amendment re: abortion. It's the basis for the argument, not a different argument. But if you never respond to it, then we cant explore your amendment idea further.)

 

[minnie616]

...i do not get why humans in the womb can't be legally called humans. Frankly if she is pregnant with a cat or dog, she needs to swap partners.

The unborn have never had rights in the history of the United States

From Roe Part IX

The last couple of paragraphs of Roe Part IX

some States permit the parents of a stillborn child to maintain an action for wrongful death because of prenatal injuries.[n65] Such an action, however, would appear to be one to vindicate the parents' interest and is thus consistent with the view that the fetus, at most, represents only the potentiality of life.
Similarly, unborn children have been recognized as acquiring rights or interests by way of inheritance or other devolution of property, and have been represented by guardians ad litem.[n66]
Perfection of the interests involved, again, has generally been contingent upon live birth.
In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense.

 

[Robertinfremont]

It literally says "Libertarian" under my name.

And I can't be 'convinced' to be Pro-Life so don't waste your time trying. We can work to reduce unwanted pregnancy but when a the inevitable unwanted pregnancy occured in the population, abortion is and should remain an option.

I do not intend to get involved with people having sex and if you persist it seems quite un libertarian to me. We do not need to be involved in sex, their insurance or their pills or their using condoms. Be my guest if you want it though.

 

[Robertinfremont]

The unborn have never had rights in the history of the United States

From Roe Part IX

The last couple of paragraphs of Roe Part IX

Slaves did not either for something like 100 years. Congress solved it in the 13th amendment. I suggest an amendment but to date no pro abortion person says they like that idea. One must ask why not?

 

[Lursa]

The unborn have never had rights in the history of the United States

From Roe Part IX

The last couple of paragraphs of Roe Part IX

He kept posting an example quoted from the 14th amendment (I think it was that one) claiming that the unborn were included in those protections, when the word BORN was specifically spelled out in the amendment :doh

 

[Robertinfremont]

I cant prove something that doesnt exist...you cant treat born and unborn equally. It's not possible. So how can I prove otherwise? :roll:

If you disagree, why? Explain how they can be treated equally under the law? Otherwise you must agree with me.

(I'm not moving the goal posts, this question is the foundation for why they cant make a Const. amendment re: abortion. It's the basis for the argument, not a different argument. But if you never respond to it, then we cant explore your amendment idea further.)

STudy how it was done by the 13th amendment. Damn this is so tiring and I tried yesterday to get myself out of this bugs bunny hole. i resent Democrats not learning to take hell yes for an answer.

 

[Lursa]

Slaves did not either for something like 100 years. Congress solved it in the 13th amendment. I suggest an amendment but to date no pro abortion person says they like that idea. One must ask why not?

This goes right back to the question you wont answer: how can born and unborn be treated equally under the law?

Freeing the slaves didnt violate anyone else's rights. To force a woman to remain pregnant, to investigate a pregnacy, etc etc etc in order to protect the (imagined) rights of the unborn *violates many of women's rights.*

that is the difference.