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Socialism din't work in Sweden and it won't work here.

vegas giants said:
There is no successful capitalist country on earth that does not have lots of socialist programs.

Game set match
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ROTFL. You must be one of those people that believe since we drive on a public street, that somehow is some big "social program."

Go out there and make yourself, do be frightened.
 
DamnYankee said:
ROTFL. You must be one of those people that believe since we drive on a public street, that somehow is some big "social program."

Go out there and make yourself, do be frightened.
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Cant name that country....can you? Lol
 
KLATTU said:
As I've brilliantly and famous stated on here many times, the familiar death spiral goes something like.

Because of capitalism , wealth gets created. Then Democrats pounce and promise to redistribute form the wealth creators to the takers.

The foundations for a successful society become eroded.
The new generation raised in socialism has no incentives to work.

It's happening before our eyes in California.

If we elect a Democrats it will happen nationally .Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

"...weden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism."

Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”
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When did Sweden nationalize the means of production?
 
KLATTU said:
As I've brilliantly and famous stated on here many times, the familiar death spiral goes something like.

Because of capitalism , wealth gets created. Then Democrats pounce and promise to redistribute form the wealth creators to the takers.

The foundations for a successful society become eroded.
The new generation raised in socialism has no incentives to work.

It's happening before our eyes in California.

If we elect a Democrats it will happen nationally .Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

"...weden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism."

Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”
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Canada is much more socialist than the USA, and beats it for livability on nearly any metric you care to name. Better public education, less violence, better healthcare, less racism, more freedom, less incarceration, more freedom of the press, better government.

The average Canadian leads a far better life than the average American, because we don't vote against our own self interests, by doing stupid things like electing a moron to run the country. Or idiot. Depends on which Trump appointee you ask..

'Idiot,' 'Dope,' 'Moron': How Trump's aides have insulted the President

...because some people felt the need to get revenge for "suffering" through a black POTUS for eight years. The ones who brag about what a great job Trump does of trolling Liberals. SMH.
 
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KLATTU said:
As I've brilliantly and famous stated on here many times, the familiar death spiral goes something like.

Because of capitalism , wealth gets created. Then Democrats pounce and promise to redistribute form the wealth creators to the takers.

The foundations for a successful society become eroded.
The new generation raised in socialism has no incentives to work.

It's happening before our eyes in California.

If we elect a Democrats it will happen nationally .Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

"...weden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism."

Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”
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Same thing happened in Venezuela that was once the crown jewel of prosperity in South America. But it didn't take much more than a generation of Marxist socialist policies to reduce it to a struggling third world country.

I just don't know how so many of the younger generations now were so poorly schooled in those histories unless it is intentional to so uneducate the young that they are entirely susceptible to the ambitions of those who intend to do the same to America.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Same thing happened in Venezuela that was once the crown jewel of prosperity in South America. But it didn't take much more than a generation of Marxist socialist policies to reduce it to a struggling third world country.

I just don't know how so many of the younger generations now were so poorly schooled in those histories unless it is intentional to so uneducate the young that they are entirely susceptible to the ambitions of those who intend to do the same to America.
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Except scandanavia is a huge success
 
DamnYankee said:
Capitalism has been good to me. 30+ years at the same job, own a home, 5 cars, excellent healthcare, fat ass pension, everyday is Saturday, living a dream. All it took was some effort, good attitude, healthy living.
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Too bad it did not include some education too.
 
DamnYankee said:
Capitalism has been good to me. 30+ years at the same job, own a home, 5 cars, excellent healthcare, fat ass pension, everyday is Saturday, living a dream. All it took was some effort, good attitude, healthy living.
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That's it? I lived in a more socialist society, worked hard, and I own 10 homes, 500 cars...all exotic sports cars or collectors cars, have 23 fat ass pensions, married five wives, all famous super models, you see them all the time on TV and in the movies. They all want to be with me every night, so it's a big naked dogpile.

Yep, glad I didn't have to suffer like you. Did I say 23 pensions? I meant 98 pensions. Yeah, 98 fat ass pensions. Woohooo, go socialism!
 
ataraxia said:
All modern developed economies of the world today have some kind of hybrid mixed economy. It's a delicate dynamic balance that must always be reexamined and revisited.

The Soviets gave up on pure communism by the 1980s. But the US gave up on pure free markets in the late 19th century/early 20th century, the gilded age- where the ever-increasing free market demand for exploitation of child labor was becoming unacceptable, and monopolies were forming, and the increasing disparities between the extremes of wealth and poverty were proving to be socially/economically unsustainable.

People who think pure free market capitalism works are as ignorant of history as those who still advocate for Soviet style communism. Both systems have been tried extensively and have proven to be failed experiments. Modern economies are not all some kind of hybrid system because their economists are stupid.
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Someone making sense in a discussion of capitalism and socialism? Let’s gather firewood and put up a stake in the town square.
 
Nickyjo said:
Because it’s mixed with socialism.
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That depends on what you define as "socialism". The textbook definition I see is "a political system where the government owns or controls the means of production and distribution". Some how, some slopping thinking has worked its way into the dialogue and socialists claim every service provided by the government is "socialism". It's not.
 
Bullseye said:
That depends on what you define as "socialism". The textbook definition I see is "a political system where the government owns or controls the means of production and distribution". Some how, some slopping thinking has worked its way into the dialogue and socialists claim every service provided by the government is "socialism". It's not.
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Marx is dead a long time. To the rest of us, “socialism” is what Reagan attacked in his stunning critique of Medicare.
 
vegas giants said:
Except scandanavia is a huge success
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No Scandinavian countries are socialist though. They are all small and demographically cohesive enough--none are larger than a U.S. state--that allows them to have more effective social services than we do, but most are constitutional monarchies and all have market economies. All reject being labeled socialist no matter how Bernie Sanders incorrectly characterizes them.
 
Nickyjo said:
Marx is dead a long time. To the rest of us, “socialism” is what Reagan attacked in his stunning critique of Medicare.
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So what? Reagan was wrong about a lot of things.
 
AlbqOwl said:
No Scandinavian countries are socialist though. They are all small and demographically cohesive enough--none are larger than a U.S. state--that allows them to have more effective social services than we do, but most are constitutional monarchies and all have market economies. All reject being labeled socialist no matter how Bernie Sanders incorrectly characterizes them.
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Not sure about that. Let’s hear what they say about it themselves:

”You’re going to be shocked, truly shocked, but one thing people love about living in countries with generous social programs is... the generous social programs.

The region’s famously high tax rate (over 50% average marginal rate compared to the US’s 27.4%) helps fund an incredibly comprehensive set of welfare programs that cover many of the things that probably stress out Americans. In Scandinavia, school is free, healthcare is basically free, and child daycare is totally free.

Everyone gets educated,” said Chris Oates, a dentist living in Redondo Beach, California, who split his childhood between Los Angeles and Sweden. “When you have an educated population in a socialist system, the medical care in Sweden doesn’t need to be as expensive, because preventative care starts early. They’re just healthier overall as a nation, and if something comes up, they know they’re covered.”

Frederik Rubens Mortensen, a Danish finance worker who got his MBA in Los Angeles, offered a suggestion to Americans looking for a land of low homicides, drug abuse, obesity, mental illness, infant mortality, and high-school dropouts: head to his homeland, which has some of the best social mobility in the world.

“If Americans want to live the American dream,” he said, “they should move to Denmark.”
Scandinavians Explain Why They're the World's Happiest People - Thrillist
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AlbqOwl said:
No Scandinavian countries are socialist though. They are all small and demographically cohesive enough--none are larger than a U.S. state--that allows them to have more effective social services than we do, but most are constitutional monarchies and all have market economies. All reject being labeled socialist no matter how Bernie Sanders incorrectly characterizes them.
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No one is suggesting getting rid of market economies here either.

You’re saying the only reason we can’t have this functional system as they do over there is because we are racists and hate each other.

Whose fault is that?
 
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