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Socialism din't work in Sweden and it won't work here.

KLATTU said:
As I've brilliantly and famous stated on here many times, the familiar death spiral goes something like.

Because of capitalism , wealth gets created. Then Democrats pounce and promise to redistribute form the wealth creators to the takers.

The foundations for a successful society become eroded.
The new generation raised in socialism has no incentives to work.

It's happening before our eyes in California.

If we elect a Democrats it will happen nationally .Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

"...weden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism."

Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”
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Sweden is doing great. They ate a model for how well socialism works
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Every country in Europe has huge quality of life, their politician work not for the companies or the rich, but for the people, they have healthcare, great and affordable mass transit, lots of paid vacation time and maternity/paternity leave, are paid livable wages, and have some of the highest quality of life.

meanwhile, the good old US with its capitalisms has the highest wealth disparity, insane rates of poverty, a horrible healthcare system that profits off of people's lives, and health, the leader in medical induced bankruptcy, one of the highest rates of imprisonment, have majority of its people living paycheck to paycheck with absolutely no savings or ability to save, high rates of children starving, the list of negatives go on and on.

What was that about Europe again?

oh, that's right, just another ignorant right winger spewing dumb talking points without any actual facts.
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Like everywhere, Europe has its problems. But when you look at most measurable indicators of personal well-being, most European countries are doing better than the US. They have lower rates of violence, suicide, and substance abuse, lower incarceration rates, lower infant mortality, high er life expectancy, lower obesity, etc. They also have more free time and most of them perform better in measures of education performance. And they're doing it more sustainably, in the sense that most have lower public debt as a share of GDP, and much lower carbon emissions per capita. It's true that the US is wealthier than all but a few of them, in terms of GDP per capita, but due to inefficiencies and distribution issues, we do a remarkably poor job of translating that potential for prosperity into actual quality of life for most of our people.
 
KLATTU said:
We seemed to have bounced back from that quite nicely. ( thank you capitalism!)
Try again.
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Thanks to FDR and the new deal along with war. A lot of credit to Theodore Roosevelt for conservation and monopoly busting.
 
vegas giants said:
Sweden is doing great. They ate a model for how well socialism works
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Umm, did you read the article? They were doing real well, then started to slide downhill because of too much socialism. Then they started getting away from that, and started doing much better.

They are a model for the dangers of too much socialism. ( Where the Dems want us to head).
 
Attacking Sweden’s economic or political policies is like saying that the Golden State Warriors failed in the NBA for not completing their threepeat in this year’s NBA championship.
 
KLATTU said:
Nahhhh, that's jut one of those lw zombie memes that won't die ,despite all the evidence to the contrary.
#37 – If FDR's New Deal Didn't End the Depression, Then It Was World War II that Did - Foundation for Economic Education
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Do you have an actual authoritative source for that claim rather than some random right-wing think tank? This article also seems to think that these economic events happen with America in a vacuum, they did not. In other countries it was either New Deal type spending or the war that ended the downturn outside the US. How do you explain unemployment reaching a peak the same year the New Deal in 1933 with 24.9% unemployment then trending boards after that all the way to 9.9% in 1941? That looks like an economic recovery to me. Then after the war people had a lot of money lying around to kickstart America's new even stronger consumer economy once manufacturing caught back up, and it easily did so as one of the very few countries to escape almost entirely unscathed from the war.
 
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KLATTU said:
Umm, did you read the article? They were doing real well, then started to slide downhill because of too much socialism. Then they started getting away from that, and started doing much better.

They are a model for the dangers of too much socialism. ( Where the Dems want us to head).
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So they are doing well now....yes?

Glad you agree we can do what they do now and be a success.

Because they still have massive social programs
 
KLATTU said:
Really? can you tell us where free market capitalism has proven to be a failed experiment?
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KLATTU:

How about the UK/Britain which abandoned free market capitalism and became a mixed economy with both market and state controlled economic mechanisms. The Days of the East India Trading Company and the early Industrial Revolution's free market love affair have been over for more than a century.

Want more examples? France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Russia, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Peru, Japan, Mongolia, Thailand, Myanmar, South Korea, India, Pakistan, Khazakstan, Australia, New Zealand, etc. All of these abandoned free market capitalism in favour of mixed economies with significant state control and with significant redistribution of wealth by the state.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
KLATTU said:
Capitalism always come first. Socialism follows No nation has become prosperous *because* of socialism. Everybody knows there's a mix. The whole point of the article is that Dems want to push the US ( AWY) further to socialism where Sweden has already tried that and is now seeing what a mistake that was.
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You sound confused.
The U.S. has a mixed economy.
Sweden has a mixed economy.

Are you less confused now? You were typing earlier about "Free Market Capitalism",but no one can find modern examples of such successful nations. Who put those ideas in your head? Sounds like Right wing brainwashing to me.

We have terrible income inequality in the U.S., i.e. the economy doesn't work well for everyone, the same as other nations. Are you aware of this? I'm rich, and I pay in some cases zero taxes. Meanwhile people who have normal jobs, pay more taxes than I do. When I get more income, I waste it on luxury goods or let it sit passive in investments. When many poorer people get income, they can afford a little of everything...better quality life, health care, food, clothing, shelter, entertainment, etc. Why do you want me and people like me to be the primary beneficiary of our economic system?

Right wingers love Chamber of Commerce, and funneling power both private AND government, to big business. Why? I could be worse, I could outsource nearly every single job I source in the U.S....nearly all of my competition does it. No real penalty for it...it's wide open. Yay right? You reward them, and you decry poor people. It's nuts. Stop. If you wanted what's good and what makes sense, rather than all this bull**** anti-democrat/socialist nonsense, you might start making sense.
 
Re: TX, Iran, and Saudi Arabia
WCH said:
I thought you Leftists already believed they were the same?
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They kind of are: all of them are religiously conservative xenophobic stagnant closed minded intolerant states which think that just because they’re sitting on a lot of oil means they’re doing something right and God loves them.
 
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Socialism din't work in Sweden and it won't work here.
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Nutjob leftists be wanting them some "free" ****.
 
KLATTU said:
Nahhhh, . Just a lw zombie meme that persists in light of facts to the contrary.
#37 – If FDR's New Deal Didn't End the Depression, Then It Was World War II that Did - Foundation for Economic Education
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KLATTU said:
Nahhhh, that's jut one of those lw zombie memes that won't die ,despite all the evidence to the contrary.
#37 – If FDR's New Deal Didn't End the Depression, Then It Was World War II that Did - Foundation for Economic Education
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:lamo
Leave it to KLATTU to post another OPINION piece from a Koch Brother funded pseudo-"think tank" as the source for his ignorant views.

Do you ever read anything that does NOT qualify was an opinion piece?
 
Capitalism has been good to me. 30+ years at the same job, own a home, 5 cars, excellent healthcare, fat ass pension, everyday is Saturday, living a dream. All it took was some effort, good attitude, healthy living.

All of that I worked for. OMG, there's that dirty word again, WORK. :)

Socialism = laziness. Typical leftist gimmee mentality.
 
DamnYankee said:
Capitalism has been good to me. 30+ years at the same job, own a home, 5 cars, excellent healthcare, fat ass pension, everyday is Saturday, living a dream. All it took was some effort, good attitude, healthy living.

All of that I worked for. OMG, there's that dirty word again, WORK. :)

Socialism = laziness. Typical leftist gimmee mentality.
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You benefited greatly....greatly from socialist programs
 
DamnYankee said:
Capitalism has been good to me. 30+ years at the same job, own a home, 5 cars, excellent healthcare, fat ass pension, everyday is Saturday, living a dream. All it took was some effort, good attitude, healthy living.

All of that I worked for. OMG, there's that dirty word again, WORK. :)

Socialism = laziness. Typical leftist gimmee mentality.
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Where was this capitalist uptoia?
 
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