MARK CUBAN: I'd give Trump a C-minus for his first 100 days

[Puigb]

True, but who knows how independents will view Trump in 2020? Heck, who knows how the GOP will view him? If Obama ran for re-election in 2010,2011, 2014 or 2015, he would have been defeated. As luck would have it, Obama regained popularity in 2012 enough for him to win by 4 points, although he did lose the independent vote 51-47. But the Democrats had the larger base, so Obama could afford to lose independents as long as he kept it close. He succeeded.

I firmly believe if the Democrats had run someone else other than Hillary, they would be sitting in the Oval Office today. Back in 2012 the Democratic base made up 35% of the electorate while the GOP base was at 30%. Today the Democratic base is down to 30% while the GOP base has dropped to 26%. Dissatisfaction with both parties galore. Gridlock, polarization, candidates no one likes outside of their core supporters, all have contributed to the frustration of the average American. I would say when the two parties nominate candidates with only a 34% and 38% favorable ratings, something is terribly wrong with our two party system.

Here's the difference between Obama and Trump. Obama won in 2008 with a mandate. Bush, during the end of his second term, was extremely unpopular. Obama being elected was a repudiation of Bush, no matter how you slice it. In an extremely divided ERA of politics, Obama soundly defeated McCain in the electoral college, and received the most votes out of any presidential candidate ever. Like Obama or not, his victory in 2008 was impressive. He entered office a popular president. On the other hand, while Obama often had bad approval ratings, he left office pretty popular, certainly more popular than his predecessor. How much that had to do with how bad the alternatives were (Clinton, Trump), and how the voters perceived the Job Obama did is mostly opinion based, IMO. Regardless, Trump was replacing a guy who left office vastly more popular than the guy Obama replaced. Trump, and Clinton for that matter, had historically low approval ratings. Trump won in 2016, but in a much smaller margin than Obama did in 2008. Trump doesn't have much of a mandate, IMO, and I suspect many who voted for him did it because they disliked Clinton more. That's not a good thing, because if Trump doesn't try to appeal to voters outside his core base, then he loses. Sure, Trump has his base, but his base is not enough, IMO, to win him elections. Those people who voted for him because he's not Hillary could EASILY abandon him if the Democrats field a better candidate in 2020, because they were never entirely behind Trump's agenda in the first place.

 

[jimbo]

Anything can happen between now and 2020. When Romney lost in 2012...nobody thought some Reality T.V. star would be the next GOP nominee and president...and looked what happened. Right now, who the Dems nominee in 2020 is anyone's guess. I definitely don't think it will be either of the three you mentioned, due to their ages. In Hillary's case she's a two time loser, and even if she was younger, I don't think she'd run again.

On November 7 nobody thought candidate Trump would be President Trump.

I agree about the three I mentioned, along with those who opposed President Trump in the primaries. The question is, if not those, then who?

 

[Puigb]

On November 7 nobody thought candidate Trump would be President Trump.

I agree about the three I mentioned, along with those who opposed President Trump in the primaries. The question is, if not those, then who?

too early to tell now.

 

[VanceMack]

How is he a bitch? He's still relatively young and he may run in the future. And you can't really compare him to Trump yet. I have yet to see Cuban flip flop in his political positions the way Trump has, but he COULD potentially do that in the future.

On the other hand, you must have considered Trump a bitch for 30 years or so considering he's been talking about running for president since the 1980's.

Anyone...especially with his capacity...that is going to sit in the sideline and tap about those that are at least engaged and trying is a bitch. Cuban is a bitch. Talk ****? Get in the game. Don't have the stones? Feel free to continue to tap and be a bitch.

I didn't give Trump two thoughts politically. I guess I've always seen him then as now. Flamboyant...bombastic...a bit of a douche...certainly a bit of an asshole...flip flopped regularly on issues and 'sides'. Again...I didn't vote for him. But he IS the president. I don't much care about Trump. I do care about the country and I'm a bit done with all the pathetic whiny ****s that can't get over the fact that their candidate lost and are willing to tear the country down in hopes of seeing Trump fail.


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[jimbo]

too early to tell now.

I think you are correct.

Maybe Ivanka vs. Chelsea?? :lol:

 

[Perotista]

Any yet independents still have control of congress to the GOP, despite 6 years of controlling the house and two years as a majority in the senate. Why are the independents letting the GOP congress of the hook?

If you look at the independents view of congress and of the two major parties they don't like either one. Independents aren't like or do not pay that much attention to the daily goings on in Washington like hard core Republicans and Democrats or as those on this site do. They aren't political junkies. A lot of them couldn't tell you who controls both chambers of congress. But they could tell you who is president.

In 2010, the year the GOP took back the house Obama's overall approval rating was 45% and independents approving of him at 40%. A vote against Obama. In 2012 when Obama climbed back to 55% overall with 52% of independents approving of him, Obama won re-election the Democrats gained 8 seats in the house and 3 in the senate. 2014 Obama was back down to 41% overall and 39% among independents, the Democrats lost 9 senate seats and 13 house seats.

One can go back throughout history and see where a president's approval rating either positive or negative usually translates into whether the president's party gains or loses seats in congress. If things are going good for independents and they like the president or at least approve of him, elections in congress turns out good for the presidential party. Of course the opposite is true also. We follow politics on a daily basis, independent usually don't both until a couple of week prior to an election. Then too independents are much less likely to vote in a midterm than a presidential election. This is why we average 55% or there about turnout in presidential years and around 38% in the midterms. Midterms attract the parties core unless independents are mad at the president or they feel things are going bad for them. Then they come out to vote against the party that holds the white house.

This should be good news for the Democrats and their chances of regaining the house in 2018. If Trump is still at or around 42% approval come November of next year, I would say the democrats regain the House. But a lot can happen between now and then, so I wouldn't count on it as just yet.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Now, I see it much differently.

All things considered, Trump's demonstrations are not at all flattering to his business astuteness. (Is that even a word?)

Trump is a trust fund baby. I have read articles suggesting that if Trump would have just taken the money he inherited and invested, he would be lot more wealthier than he is now. He has a long history of spearheading bankruptcies under his brand, hiding behind the corporate veil and getting rich on the backs of other's misfortunes for dealing with him and he is well known for not paying his bills and in general being an over-all a two-faced, narcissistic welsh.

As for Cuban, I believe he had to actually work to get where he is. I'm not sure. I have to go Google that.

You are......

Wrong.

 

[Perotista]

Here's the difference between Obama and Trump. Obama won in 2008 with a mandate. Bush, during the end of his second term, was extremely unpopular. Obama being elected was a repudiation of Bush, no matter how you slice it. In an extremely divided ERA of politics, Obama soundly defeated McCain in the electoral college, and received the most votes out of any presidential candidate ever. Like Obama or not, his victory in 2008 was impressive. He entered office a popular president. On the other hand, while Obama often had bad approval ratings, he left office pretty popular, certainly more popular than his predecessor. How much that had to do with how bad the alternatives were (Clinton, Trump), and how the voters perceived the Job Obama did is mostly opinion based, IMO. Regardless, Trump was replacing a guy who left office vastly more popular than the guy Obama replaced. Trump, and Clinton for that matter, had historically low approval ratings. Trump won in 2016, but in a much smaller margin than Obama did in 2008. Trump doesn't have much of a mandate, IMO, and I suspect many who voted for him did it because they disliked Clinton more. That's not a good thing, because if Trump doesn't try to appeal to voters outside his core base, then he loses. Sure, Trump has his base, but his base is not enough, IMO, to win him elections. Those people who voted for him because he's not Hillary could EASILY abandon him if the Democrats field a better candidate in 2020, because they were never entirely behind Trump's agenda in the first place.

All 100% true and right on the money. Trump had no mandate. Exit polls showed that 50% of those who voted for Trump were anti-Clinton voters, not necessarily for Trump, that any Tom, Dick or Harry would have done as long as their last name wasn't Clinton. I said many times before the election that regardless of who won, they would have a hard time governing because each had well over half of all America disliking them. Viewing both candidates negatively.

It is exactly because of what you stated that I think the Democrats will regain the House in 2018. That Trump will be an albatross around the GOP's house candidates neck. Unless the economy booms between now and this time next year, I would wager you will see a lot Republican House members distancing themselves from Trump in order to save their own neck. It won't do them any good.

But to be fair, Hillary would be having the same problems as she was as much disliked by America as a whole as Trump was. If politics plays out as I think politics will, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans nominate someone other than Trump for 2020. I've been thinking about that the last couple of days. One way to look at that is Trump won primary after primary with roughly 35% of the GOP vote. It wasn't until it became a foregone conclusion he would be the GOP's nominee that his support among Republicans grew to 40%. Bandwagon effect. Let the GOP lose 40 or 50 seats in the House, you know whom they will blame.

Trump also received 88% of the GOP base vote against Hillary. Romney received 93% against Obama. You had the 20% of the GOP who viewed Trump unfavorably come election day, yet most voted for him. Call them the never Trumpers which became the never Hillary Clinton's. Today 20% of all Republicans still view Trump unfavorable. Not a good sign for re-election or the mid terms. Worst yet for the midterms, 50% of independents view Trump in the negative to only 38% positive.

I think the Trumpers better enjoy this year, next year I think they will be behind the eight ball. That is unless the economy starts booming or something happens like 9-11 which unites the country behind him.

 

[Vox]

"But Obama!"

Focus on the thread topic. This is about Mark Cuban's grade of Donald Trump's first 100 days as president, and him potentially running in 2020. What we know is...Cuban thinks Trump is thoroughly mediocre...and that Trump's team consider's Cuban a potential threat in 2020.

I'm sure he's the "threat" they'd be eager to run against.........unless Hillary wants to try again.

:mrgreen:

 

[volsrock]

Mark Cuban’s envy of Donald Trump has become pathological.


Isn’t CUBAN the one who filmed GIRLS GONE WILD during Spring break several years ago. The PINK *****CATS will really love him. NASTY and SLEEZY.

 

[Moderate Right]

Oh, I agree. The next four years or the next two, will be about Republican political leaders. Not necessarily just Trump. I'm not running away for now. Although I'm prepared to go another direction if the road looks better.

I knew this would be a long hard battle. The object is to win the war.

I do have to ask, which Democrat in 2020? Hillary? Socialist Bernie? Injun Liz? The Democrats have the same problem as the Repubs. Not much to choose from. My choices. Webb (D), Pence (R). I'm not positive Trump will seek a second term.

Webb has no charisma. No chance for him.

 

[jdog]

Who cares what Mark Cuban says? He is about as relevant as used asswipe.

 

[jimbo]

Webb has no charisma. No chance for him.

Partially true, but the left's chosen candidate's charisma rating is in negative numbers.

 

[TheGoverness]

https://www.aol.com/article/finance...mp-a-c-minus-for-his-first-100-days/22049619/



Cuban vs Trump 2020? Perhaps, though I still doubt Cuban runs, and even if he does, the Democrats would likely not even consider him.

It would be interesting to see someone beat Trump at his own game though.

I'd give Trump a W for Wumbo.

 

[jdog]

Cuban is so pathetic, he probably started this thread....

 

[Puigb]

Anyone...especially with his capacity...that is going to sit in the sideline and tap about those that are at least engaged and trying is a bitch. Cuban is a bitch. Talk ****? Get in the game. Don't have the stones? Feel free to continue to tap and be a bitch.

So again, you must have thought Trump was a bitch for the past 25 years or so, because he sat on the sidelines and talked trash and flirted with running for president...and it took him up until the age of 69 to actually do it.

Give Cuban time. Perhaps as Trump continues to urinate all over the nation with his "policies" Cuban will feel the need to step up and run for president to try and defeat Trump.

I didn't give Trump two thoughts politically. I guess I've always seen him then as now. Flamboyant...bombastic...a bit of a douche...certainly a bit of an asshole...flip flopped regularly on issues and 'sides'. Again...I didn't vote for him. But he IS the president. I don't much care about Trump. I do care about the country and I'm a bit done with all the pathetic whiny ****s that can't get over the fact that their candidate lost and are willing to tear the country down in hopes of seeing Trump fail.




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I guess you missed out on the right wing reaction to Obama, including Mitch the Turtle's stated goal to make Obama a one term president. Sorry, but the way your side treated the Obama's for 8 years only opened the doors for someone like Trump (a race baiting rabble rouser) to receive the hatred he does. Perhaps if "conservatives" didn't elect a damn birther to the presidency...people would take them more seriously.

 

[TurtleDude]

Cuban hasn't run for president (yet). He may run in the future, and who knows, maybe he could win.

That's why Trump's team consider's him a threat.

Cuban claims to be a libertarian and yet he supported Hillary

that's a real hoot

 

[Puigb]

All 100% true and right on the money. Trump had no mandate. Exit polls showed that 50% of those who voted for Trump were anti-Clinton voters, not necessarily for Trump, that any Tom, Dick or Harry would have done as long as their last name wasn't Clinton. I said many times before the election that regardless of who won, they would have a hard time governing because each had well over half of all America disliking them. Viewing both candidates negatively.

It is exactly because of what you stated that I think the Democrats will regain the House in 2018. That Trump will be an albatross around the GOP's house candidates neck. Unless the economy booms between now and this time next year, I would wager you will see a lot Republican House members distancing themselves from Trump in order to save their own neck. It won't do them any good.

But to be fair, Hillary would be having the same problems as she was as much disliked by America as a whole as Trump was. If politics plays out as I think politics will, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans nominate someone other than Trump for 2020. I've been thinking about that the last couple of days. One way to look at that is Trump won primary after primary with roughly 35% of the GOP vote. It wasn't until it became a foregone conclusion he would be the GOP's nominee that his support among Republicans grew to 40%. Bandwagon effect. Let the GOP lose 40 or 50 seats in the House, you know whom they will blame.

Trump also received 88% of the GOP base vote against Hillary. Romney received 93% against Obama. You had the 20% of the GOP who viewed Trump unfavorably come election day, yet most voted for him. Call them the never Trumpers which became the never Hillary Clinton's. Today 20% of all Republicans still view Trump unfavorable. Not a good sign for re-election or the mid terms. Worst yet for the midterms, 50% of independents view Trump in the negative to only 38% positive.

I think the Trumpers better enjoy this year, next year I think they will be behind the eight ball. That is unless the economy starts booming or something happens like 9-11 which unites the country behind him.

Yep, agreed with everything. The establishment GOP knows that Hillary lost the election more than Trump won it. Considering that Trump did roughly the same as Romney did, and Hillary did worse than Obama in 2008 and even 2012, the logical conclusion is that Democrat voters apathy towards Clinton handed Trump a narrow victory. And the GOP knows that, even though Trump goes around pretending that he won in some massive landslide.

I still believe that the GOP would have preferred a Clinton win over Trump. Why? Because with Clinton being president, she would have likely been a one term president, and someone like Rubio or Kasich probably would have won the nomination in 2020, and defeated her. Thus they'd get a saner GOP president, and not some crazy birther reality T.V. star who spends time ranting on twitter. They also would have been completely unified against a president Clinton...where as now they are anything BUT unified.

 

[Puigb]

Cuban claims to be a libertarian and yet he supported Hillary

that's a real hoot

Trump was a liberal for the majority of his life and ran as a Republican.

That's an even bigger hoot.

 

[TurtleDude]

So again, you must have thought Trump was a bitch for the past 25 years or so, because he sat on the sidelines and talked trash and flirted with running for president...and it took him up until the age of 69 to actually do it.

Give Cuban time. Perhaps as Trump continues to urinate all over the nation with his "policies" Cuban will feel the need to step up and run for president to try and defeat Trump.



I guess you missed out on the right wing reaction to Obama, including Mitch the Turtle's stated goal to make Obama a one term president. Sorry, but the way your side treated the Obama's for 8 years only opened the doors for someone like Trump (a race baiting rabble rouser) to receive the hatred he does. Perhaps if "conservatives" didn't elect a damn birther to the presidency...people would take them more seriously.

The self appointed attack dog attacks for poor old Obama get old

 

[TurtleDude]

Trump was a liberal for the majority of his life and ran as a Republican.

That's an even bigger hoot.

if that were true, the leftwing wouldn't be howling like stuck pigs. I like the Supreme court justice that "liberal" put on the supreme court. a couple more like that and we can start trying gun banners in state legislatures for treason :mrgreen:

 

[Puigb]

I think you are correct.

Maybe Ivanka vs. Chelsea?? :lol:

Actually, I think Ivanka will run for president in the future. I firmly believe the Trump dynasty is the next Clinton/Bush Dynasty. Whether or not Donald fails, I HIGHLY doubt this is the end of the Trump's in politics. More like the beginning.

 

[Puigb]

if that were true, the leftwing wouldn't be howling like stuck pigs. I like the Supreme court justice that "liberal" put on the supreme court. a couple more like that and we can start trying gun banners in state legislatures for treason :mrgreen:

Hey, it was the GOP who did everything in their power to stop Trump from winning the nomination, for the supposed reasons that he wasn't conservative enough.

And Trump wanted his sister on the supreme court. "Gorusch" was likely Pence's idea.

 

[Puigb]

The self appointed attack dog attacks for poor old Obama get old

You elected a birther for president...

If you don't think that will haunt Trump and the GOP, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Puigb]

Mark Cuban’s envy of Donald Trump has become pathological.


Isn’t CUBAN the one who filmed GIRLS GONE WILD during Spring break several years ago. The PINK *****CATS will really love him. NASTY and SLEEZY.

Maybe Cuban grabs em by the ***** like Trump?