Indonesian men caned for gay sex in Aceh

[chromium]

Stop lying.

"All religions" are not the same.

you're right, jainism generally has never incited violent

and what else? Got another example?

 

[chromium]

You mean government agents recently arrested, imprisoned, then publicly beat you?



Whose god?

Don't start making **** up now.



All of that, of course, being quite comparable to imprisonment and public beatings. :roll:



Go back any length of time and you can find something somewhere.

Equating the present-day treatment of homosexuals in the West with the treatment of homosexuals in Muslim-majority nations under Sharia is depraved, trivializes the brutal violations of human rights that is the latter, and has all the hallmarks of entitled Westerners who can't discern their own mild discomfort from the actual oppression that happens everyday outside their personal protective bubble.

The point is this is a judgment the west isn't in any position to make. I don't know about Uruguay, but in much of the west including the US, gay rights are *still* being fought for. There are people living today who were brutalized by cops or tortured as minors in religious camps while the state did nothing to protect them. Yes, all of that is absolutely just as bad as indonesia. It's only a different form of the same level of brutality. All the west can do is beg forgiveness and accept its culpability, and leave the rest of us who were never raging homophobes and never stood in the way of equality to deal with indonesia. If you can't understand this, it's not your fight

I am not excusing any mistreatment of people based on their sexual orientation, but to ****ing compare not getting a cake to being publicly beaten is just sick.

i didn't make that particular comparison, but you're dismissing and red herring-ing the ones i am making that are quite comparable. How about gay people are the #1 victims of hate crimes in the west yet they're the least protected by hate crime laws? I can find so much evidence of state sanctioned and ignored violence and abuse it will make even you shut up about islam, because the alternative is you'd have to start making threads about christian persecution of gays

We can condemn all sides. But this thread is just about the one.

No, you have made it about more than that by trivializing what goes on in the west. Even in this post you mock the difficulties that gay youth routinely endure

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Spare me your ignorant lies and bull crap. When was the last time someone was stoned in Indonesia? Fact remains that religious zealots will ruin other people's lives and given the chance or opportunity they will revert to some of the cruelest things. History bears witness to what men can do in the name of religion and the particular flavor makes no difference. It is bigotry to single out any one of them solely based on some degree.

Adulterers face death by stoning in Indonesia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

WTF are you babbling about? Where is government any part of the thread?

Your lack of comprehension skills does not equate to me "babbling". Read my posts slower next time if you are having difficulties. When moderate Muslims get together and form thier sharia law theocracies, womens and gay rights go out the window. By contrast, most of our governments members proclaim christianity as thier religion, democrat and republican, women and gay rights, minority rights are improving. Simple logic my man, simple logic, shows your nonsensical idiotic posts that christians and muslims are equally bad are just that.

And you make excuses for islam for some unkown reason. Every place it's the minority it screams about rights, every place it becomes the majority it oppresses rights.


Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

Really? Can you post a link to a single instance?

Just one? Perhaps you shouldn't be the one throwing the word ignorant around.

Zainab Salbi: Why women are still being stoned to death - CNN.com
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/islamic-state-stones-five-women-to-death-for-not-wearing-the-veil
http://www.wluml.org/sites/wluml.org/files/Mapping Stoning in Muslim Contexts_Final.pdf
Iranian woman to be stoned to death as world marks UN 'Human Rights Day' | Fox News
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran/Iran-sentences-woman-to-death-by-stoning-436847
Adulterers face death by stoning in Indonesia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=659



I know, I know you said "just one".....

By either your dishonest choice or ignorance.

I asked you how my posts were ignorant, you basically said "because they are ignorant". do you know how dumb that sounds, bro?

Your ignorant opinion os noted.

I'm not sure you know what that word means.

Bull crap. You are defending bigotry because it suits you.

That's pretty dumb.

Actually, I don't give a crap. You post clearly show what you are.

But you do, you made it the issue, not me.

 

[whateverdude]

They just hit him with a stick?
Didn't even kill him?

Islam is stepping up. This is what you call progress

 

[JMaximus]

The point is this is a judgment the west isn't in any position to make.

The West isn't making the judgement. I am.

I don't know about Uruguay, but in much of the west including the US, gay rights are *still* being fought for. There are people living today who were brutalized by cops or tortured as minors in religious camps while the state did nothing to protect them.
Yes, all of that is absolutely just as bad as indonesia. It's only a different form of the same level of brutality. All the west can do is beg forgiveness and accept its culpability, and leave the rest of us who were never raging homophobes and never stood in the way of equality to deal with indonesia. If you can't understand this, it's not your fight

I'm not interested in watching you compete in the Oppression Olympics.

This thread isn't about you. It isn't about the West. And it's not a competition to see who has it the worst.

It's about the brutalization of gay men under Sharia in Indonesia.

i didn't make that particular comparison, but you're dismissing and red herring-ing the ones i am making that are quite comparable. How about gay people are the #1 victims of hate crimes in the west yet they're the least protected by hate crime laws? I can find so much evidence of state sanctioned and ignored violence and abuse it will make even you shut up about islam, because the alternative is you'd have to start making threads about christian persecution of gays

Why would you want me to "shut up about Islam"? Problems don't get solved when you sweep them under the rug. Islamic theocracies pose a real and substantial threat to the rights of homosexuals.

If you actually gave a **** about advancing rights for homosexuals around the world, you'd be interested in having this discussion.

Instead your principle concern is airing your own gripes and lying for Mohammad.

Really, if you aren't interested in addressing the problem mentioned in the OP, you have no reason to post here.

No, you have made it about more than that by trivializing what goes on in the west. Even in this post you mock the difficulties that gay youth routinely endure

No I don't. I just don't possess the moral depravity necessary for me to see it as comparable to arrest, imprisonment, and public beating.

 

[chromium]

The West isn't making the judgement. I am.



I'm not interested in watching you compete in the Oppression Olympics.

This thread isn't about you. It isn't about the West. And it's not a competition to see who has it the worst.

It's about the brutalization of gay men under Sharia in Indonesia.

lol you're the one insisting it's not as bad here and that not all religions are the same in this regard

Why would you want me to "shut up about Islam"? Problems don't get solved when you sweep them under the rug. Islamic theocracies pose a real and substantial threat to the rights of homosexuals.

If you actually gave a **** about advancing rights for homosexuals around the world, you'd be interested in having this discussion.

Instead your principle concern is airing your own gripes and lying for Mohammad.

Really, if you aren't interested in addressing the problem mentioned in the OP, you have no reason to post here.

We don't have to worry about islamic theocracy here. We have to worry about christian theocracy. They're the vast majority. As far as it goes though, i don't need to make a thread pointing out that shar'ia law is bad for homosexuals. That's so obvious that just about no one on this forum disagrees. Where's the debate to be had?

However, i *would* say there's a need to point out when christian politicians and voters and thugs oppress homosexuals in the west, as there's a disturbing # on this forum who disagree that it's a problem. You certainly appear to be one of those

No I don't. I just don't possess the moral depravity necessary for me to see it as comparable to arrest, imprisonment, and public beating.

I just cited cases of all of these taking place in the west and another poster mentioned russia...

I'll tell you another thing. I swear i'm living in twilight zone. It seems like only yesterday right wingers on this forum littered S&S with threads about the moral and health hazards of homosexual sex, how it disgusts them, and how the act is totally separate from the identity. Republicans wouldn't even mention the identity of the victims in the Orlando attack.

Now here they are, the staunch defenders of gay rights, at least in a galaxy far far away

It's like a step was missed

 

[JMaximus]

We don't have to worry about islamic theocracy here. We have to worry about christian theocracy.

This thread isn't about here. It's about Indonesia.

However, i *would* say there's a need to point out when christian politicians and voters and thugs oppress homosexuals in the west, ...

Yes. But this thread is not the place to do that.

... as there's a disturbing # on this forum who disagree that it's a problem. You certainly appear to be one of those

No. I'm not. You're just making more **** up.

This thread is specific in its scope.

If you can't keep to the topic, you need to leave.

Republicans wouldn't even mention the identity of the victims in the Orlando attack.

What, specifically, do US Republicans have to do with the public beating of gay Indonesians?

 

[ajn678]

no it's because of the bull**** revisionism such as in the OP, pretending that only islam has ever done this. Christianity has a long terrible history of persecuting homosexuals that continues to this day in places such as africa and russia. Religion is inspired by ancient books that aren't about to change. I could just as easily make a thread of brutality in russia and say "religion of peace, christian orthodoxy, strikes again. There's only one religion that "conservatives" will make excuses for"

you all give yourselves away so badly. You don't give a damn about the plight of gay men in indonesia or saudi (why don't you go condemn trump for his deal with the devil?). You just want any opportunity to lay into muslims and liberals, two groups that obviously have nothing in common. Hence why you can't go one post after an atrocity without taking advantage

if it weren't for this crap we just respond "That's terrible, ALL religion that inspires violence is terrible"

African or Russian Christians aren't blowing kids up at a teeny bopper concert. This is a huge distinction that your side seemingly keeps leaving out. Wonder why that is.

 

[Napoleon]

African or Russian Christians aren't blowing kids up at a teeny bopper concert. This is a huge distinction that your side seemingly keeps leaving out. Wonder why that is.

Do you know what happens to gay men and women in Christian Russia or Christian African nations?

 

[ajn678]

Do you know what happens to gay men and women in Christian Russia or Christian African nations?

Yes and that is something that the nation needs to deal with as a whole. I'm worried about what happens when our citizens and allied citizens get blown up by terrorists. Its a much more pressing matter.

 

[Napoleon]

Yes and that is something that the nation needs to deal with as a whole. I'm worried about what happens when our citizens and allied citizens get blown up by terrorists. Its a much more pressing matter.

I'm worried about what happens if the second holocaust against LGBT people continues to be ignored because you're too busy fretting over edge cases.

 

[ajn678]

I'm worried about what happens if the second holocaust against LGBT people continues to be ignored because you're too busy fretting over edge cases.

You seem to have hit your "Hysterics Lock" key on your keyboard.

 

[Napoleon]

You seem to have hit your "Hysterics Lock" key on your keyboard.

I'm not surprised you're unaware of what is happening in the world. Hysterics? No, its very real.

 

[ajn678]

I'm not surprised you're unaware of what is happening in the world. Hysterics? No, its very real.

I'm very aware of what is happening in the world. To compare it to anything like the holocaust is entirely misguided and quite frankly disgusting.

 

[Napoleon]

I'm very aware of what is happening in the world. To compare it to anything like the holocaust is entirely misguided and quite frankly disgusting.

The fact that you think so illustrates that you have no idea what is happening in the world.

 

[ajn678]

The fact that you think so illustrates that you have no idea what is happening in the world.

Good to see you have nothing to back up your holocaust claims. eace

 

[Napoleon]

Good to see you have nothing to back up your holocaust claims. eace

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rison-beatings-electric-shocks-anti-gay-purge

 

[ajn678]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rison-beatings-electric-shocks-anti-gay-purge

You do realize Chechnya is 95% Muslim right? Whoops.

 

[Napoleon]

You do realize Chechnya is 95% Muslim right? Whoops.

There's no whoops about it. Chechnya is backed by Russia - a country where orthodox christian priests lead violent mobs to viciously assault LGBT people in the street and itself inprisons LGBT people - in this endeavor.

 

[prometeus]

Pathetic immature deflection.

Reality bites eh, so now you have to dismiss.

 

[ajn678]

There's no whoops about it. Chechnya is backed by Russia - a country where orthodox christian priests lead violent mobs to viciously assault LGBT people in the street and itself inprisons LGBT people - in this endeavor.

The man that is in charge of this roundup is literally a Muslim. My goodness, you are failing majestically here.

 

[Napoleon]

The man that is in charge of this roundup is literally a Muslim. My goodness, you are failing majestically here.

Do you know what the relationship is between Chechnya and Russia? I'm not failing here. I've exposed your ignorance on this matter. You didn't even know it was happening a few minutes ago.

 

[prometeus]

Adulterers face death by stoning in Indonesia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

So which part do you have difficulty putting in perspective and or context?

Your lack of comprehension skills does not equate to me "babbling".

You were babbling and posting irrelevant drivel.

Read my posts slower next time if you are having difficulties.

No difficulty, it is clear that your post is nothing but ignorant banter on defense of bigotry.

And you make excuses for islam for some unkown reason.

I made no excuse for anything, merely pointed out how bad ANY religious zealotry is, but you clearly favor one brand over the other.

 

[ajn678]

Do you know what the relationship is between Chechnya and Russia? I'm not failing here. I've exposed your ignorance on this matter. You didn't even know it was happening a few minutes ago.

Except you said it was a Christian group causing this holocaust. And you were wrong.

 

[matchlight]

Why? We have enough native frothy fundamentalist nutjobs as it is.

I agree that more than enough pouty, anti-American collectivists are already taking up space in this country.

As for this punishment for homosexual acts, it is only inconsistent with Islamic law in not being severe enough. What a dilemma this kind of thing is for the run-of-the-mill leftist, who is unused to thinking and gains most of what passes for knowledge in his circle from listening to cracks about current events by TV comedians. Which of his pet grievance groups to side with--homosexuals, or Muslims?