In a dramatic shift, most Republicans now oppose same-sex marriage

[Lursa]

Once again, we pay orders of magnitude more for all the idiot redheads refusing vaccines and then requiring a lot more care, as well as smokers / vaper users as well as those eating cheeseburgers.

So, should we outlaw smoking, vaping and eating cheeseburgers?

Or you are just going to stick with hypocrisy?

And orders of magnitude more for unplanned or unaffordable kids, including the results of those that are dumped in the foster care system or poorly raised by uncaring parents who didnt want them.

 

[BirdinHand]

The Creator GOD. The ONE who made biological LIFE. I don't see anyone else able to accomplish that. It's sort of like AI. That didn't just happen ---- it was created by man.


Marriage is proven through consummation. Consummation is proven by a pregnancy. If a couple doesn't get pregnant, that is between that couple and GOD. And the reality is gay couple cannot produce a child without reliance on outside assistance.


The members of the CHURCH do because they are citizens and pay taxes. Their opinions and votes are just as important.

That's you choice. I hope it worked out well for your sake.

The 1800’s called. They asked if you want to come back.

You might want to hop in that Time Machine, you’d fit in better in their culture.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

You're making things up I never said that. I said Donald Trump is the most pro LGBT president we've ever had.

The GOP essentially died when McCain ran for president.

I supported McCain in 2000, with time and checkbook. He would have been vastly superior to Bush and better than Gore.

“The Architect” AKA “Turd Blossom” and his dirty tricks brigade assumed command of the RNC and that was the straw that broke this camel’s back. No mas. I was outtie.

I still had hopes for my former party back in 2000.

 

[CLAX1911]

I supported McCain in 2000, with time and checkbook. He would have been vastly superior to Bush and better than Gore.

Superior to Gore I agree. But he was a George Bush clone neocon dross

“The Architect” AKA “Turd Blossom” and his dirty tricks brigade assumed command of the RNC and that was the straw that broke this camel’s back. No mas. I was outtie.

Yeah it's not for neocons anymore.

I still had hopes for my former party back in 2000.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Superior to Gore I agree. But he was a George Bush clone neocon dross

Yeah it's not for neocons anymore.

I’m not a neocon. I’m a fiscal conservative. I’m anti-regime change though force, don’t believe the U.S. should act unilaterally abroad and would cut the military budget in half given the opportunity. I’m pro democracy, true capitalism and for setting the greatest example that causes others to want to change from wanting to emulate what we have.

What neocon does that sound like? None that I know.

 

[CLAX1911]

I’m not a neocon. I’m a fiscal conservative.

Fair enough but the neocon is what died off

I’m anti-regime change though force, don’t believe the U.S. should act unilaterally abroad and would cut the military budget in half given the opportunity. I’m pro democracy, true capitalism and for setting the greatest example that causes others to want to change from wanting to emulate what we have.

So why is it you don't like Trump?

What neocon does that sound like? None that I know.

 

[Ahlevah]

One notes that this has occurred at a time when the Republicans have been attacking transgenders. Both are consistent with the Christian Nationalism that has taken over the party.

Could be a reactionary response to all of the “peace and love” Christians who oppose same-sex marriage have received in recent years from militant gays. Repeatedly calling out people as bigots for their sincerely-held religions beliefs sticks in the craw of many reasonable people, regardless of their political affiliation.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

So why is it you don't like Trump?

???

Have you read anything I’ve written? {LOL politely}.

I’m no where near the best example, but not for lack of trying, but I believe in sound ethics and good character. I firmly believe it is extraordinarily important in leadership. I keep writing it’s not about the politics in this that makes me anti-Trump. Though I disagree with how he does what he does.

He has an entire adult lifetime of doing wrong. He is a corrupted person who corrupts others. He steals by fraud and deceit. He’s even used a charity to steal. I’ve helped put people in prison for extended periods for doing much less than he’s done.

He is no one I want representing my government. I can’t remotely fathom why anyone else would want him. He’s no one you can trust. He f###s over everyone he does business with, what makes you folk think he’s going to do right by you?

 

[CLAX1911]

???

Have you read anything I’ve written? {LOL politely}.

You seem to like a lot of things he's done but don't want to recognize that he's done them.

I’m no where near the best example, but not for lack of trying, but I believe in sound ethics and good character.

This is emotional TDS and means nothing so I read this and dismiss it immediately.

I firmly believe it is extraordinarily important in leadership. I keep writing it’s not about the politics in this that makes me anti-Trump. Though I disagree with how he does what he does.

It doesn't seem like it's anything except for what the news media tells you it is. I'm curious are you a baby boomer?

He has an entire adult lifetime of doing wrong.

But you said you liked John McCain so clearly you have a different standard for different people.

He is a corrupted person who corrupts others. He steals by fraud and deceit. He’s even used a charity to steal. I’ve helped put people in prison for extended periods for doing much less than he’s done.

More emotional TDS just regurgitating talking points the news media told you to think.

He is no one I want representing my government. I can’t remotely fathom why anyone else would want him. He’s no one you can trust. He f###s over everyone he does business with, what makes you folk think he’s going to do right by you?

Yeah you don't really have anything you're just squawking like all the blue hairs do.

 

[BirdinHand]

You seem to like a lot of things he's done but don't want to recognize that he's done them.

This is emotional TDS and means nothing so I read this and dismiss it immediately.

It doesn't seem like it's anything except for what the news media tells you it is. I'm curious are you a baby boomer?

But you said you liked John McCain so clearly you have a different standard for different people.

More emotional TDS just regurgitating talking points the news media told you to think.

Yeah you don't really have anything you're just squawking like all the blue hairs do.

Let me ask you this:

Do you truly think Trump is a good person?

 

[CLAX1911]

Let me ask you this:

Do you truly think Trump is a good person?

No. If you're asking me who I think is good there's only one person that can fit that bill.

 

[LittleNipper]

I wanted very expensive horses...same things...should taxpayers pay for "my choices" there?

Spare me the BS.



More BS. If you are against taxpayer $$ going to support people's choices...be consistent. Unless it's an accident or rape, having a kid is a choice. And yeah...a very expensive one.

Babies are human. Horses are like buying an automobile. The rest of what you say I'll chalk up to not having either a husband nor children.

 

[LittleNipper]

The 1800’s called. They asked if you want to come back.

You might want to hop in that Time Machine, you’d fit in better in their culture.

The 1950's would be just as fitting. I enjoyed it the first time around. I LOVE LUCY, BILLY GRAHAM CRUSADES, KUKLA, FRAN & OLLIE, DISNEYLAND, LASSIE, HOW MUCH IS THAT DOGGIE IN THE WINDOW, TAMMY'S IN LOVE, WAGON TRAIN ---- stores & businesses closed on Sundays.

 

[Lursa]

Babies are human. Horses are like buying an automobile. The rest of what you say I'll chalk up to not having either a husband nor children.

You were discussing choices and who should pay for them. So you cant actually refute what I wrote based on the point you attempted.

As I asked...why should taxpayers subsidize her labor, hospitialization, medications, etc? And then also maternity/paternity leave? They chose to have a kid.

 

[LittleNipper]

You were discussing choices and who should pay for them. So you cant actually refute what I wrote based on the point you attempted.

As I asked...why should taxpayers subsidize her labor, hospitialization, medications, etc? And then also maternity/paternity leave? They chose to have a kid.

Medical expenses should be applied to those whose life/health is in danger. Not towards the wishes, hopes and dreams regarding the look of one's body or an artificial sexual preference... And a married couple doesn't always choose to have a baby, sometimes it just happens.

 

[Lursa]

Medical expenses should be applied to those whose life/health is in danger. Not towards the wishes, hopes and dreams regarding the look of one's body or an artificial sexual preference...

That doesnt change my point or yours. A woman/couple doesnt "need" to get pregnant and have a kid. That's not a medical emergency, and if her life/health becomes endangered during that process...it's a known possibility and they remain responsible.

Why does 'artificial sexual preference' matter? Should gay/lesbians be denied the same health benefits and insurance rates as straight people? When it comes to reproduction...also...why would that matter?

And a married couple doesn't always choose to have a baby, sometimes it just happens.

I wrote that in the first post...that if it's a CHOICE, not an accident. Please remain current in the conversation.

 

[Slavister]

Personally, I'm of the opinion that smokers and drinkers and drug addicts and over eaters should be unable to sue anyone. They made the choices.

Since those are the far greater problems, I suggest you complain about those then instead of focusing on unimportant ones.

 

[CLAX1911]

Medical expenses should be applied to those whose life/health is in danger. Not towards the wishes, hopes and dreams regarding the look of one's body or an artificial sexual preference... And a married couple doesn't always choose to have a baby, sometimes it just happens.

So if you're gay and can't pay for healthcare **** you die in the street? Most people in the world that aren't that callous.

 

[LittleNipper]

That doesnt change my point or yours. A woman/couple doesnt "need" to get pregnant and have a kid. That's not a medical emergency, and if her life/health becomes endangered during that process...it's a known possibility and they remain responsible.

Why does 'artificial sexual preference' matter? Should gay/lesbians be denied the same health benefits and insurance rates as straight people? When it comes to reproduction...also...why would that matter?



I wrote that in the first post...that if it's a CHOICE, not an accident. Please remain current in the conversation.

You believe in abortion, don't you?

 

[LittleNipper]

Since those are the far greater problems, I suggest you complain about those then instead of focusing on unimportant ones.

I'd say that's a matter of opinion; however, I feel that all such problems are related to a society that rejects the power and supremacy of GOD, as a vital part of human behavior...

 

[Lisa]

I'd say that's a matter of opinion; however, I feel that all such problems are related to a society that rejects the power and supremacy of GOD, as a vital part of human behavior...

God only exists in the bible, that was written by man. Its claimed that those were the commands of a god as to give it authority over people who lack critical thinking skills to see that those are the words and ideas of a unlearned tribal culture.

 

[Lursa]

You believe in abortion, don't you?

What's not to believe...abortion is a real procedure. Do you not "believe" in it?

Now, please answer the questions you avoided in my post before asking more of your own?

That doesnt change my point or yours. A woman/couple doesnt "need" to get pregnant and have a kid. That's a choice, right? (Ulenss it's accidental) That's not a medical emergency, and if her life/health becomes endangered during that process...it's a known possibility and they remain responsible.

​

Why does 'artificial sexual preference' matter? Should gay/lesbians be denied the same health benefits and insurance rates as straight people? When it comes to reproduction...also...why would that matter? Isnt it your view that more babies is good?​

 

[Slavister]

I'd say that's a matter of opinion; however, I feel that all such problems are related to a society that rejects the power and supremacy of GOD, as a vital part of human behavior...

You just can't support your argument that you started based on numbers that you complained about; so you are pivoting to the God excuse... which also does not work as I don't recall God condoning smoking any more than transgender operations.

 

[LittleNipper]

What's not to believe...abortion is a real procedure. Do you not "believe" in it?

Now, please answer the questions you avoided in my post before asking more of your own?

That doesnt change my point or yours. A woman/couple doesnt "need" to get pregnant and have a kid. That's a choice, right? (Ulenss it's accidental) That's not a medical emergency, and if her life/health becomes endangered during that process...it's a known possibility and they remain responsible.

​

Why does 'artificial sexual preference' matter? Should gay/lesbians be denied the same health benefits and insurance rates as straight people? When it comes to reproduction...also...why would that matter? Isnt it your view that more babies is good?​

No, I do not believe in abortion. Abortion is the waste of human life. Unless the mother is in danger, an abortion is wrong. And should the baby survive the procedure, it must be cared for and not discarded, because such would be murder. Abortion to rid the world of mistakes due to worldly pleasure is an abomination, and moves any society towards a disregard for human value. Can such "convenient" disposal of the infirm, and elderly be not far behind?

Sex is by GOD and biology the means of procreation. Sex outside of marriage creates nothing but heartache and the spread of dangerous deceases and viral cancer. Two of the same sex cannot produce children and such acts reduces sex to pure folly.
Children are the future of a society. Anything that belittles the nurture of children properly is wrong and undermines the health and stability of society.

People who wish to be single pay a different premium then do individuals with families. And the sole purpose of this is to aid society by promoting a healthy atmosphere to raise children.

 

[Lursa]

No, I do not believe in abortion. Abortion is the waste of human life. Unless the mother is in danger, an abortion is wrong. And should the baby survive the procedure, it must be cared for and not discarded, because such would be murder. Abortion to rid the world of mistakes due to worldly pleasure is an abomination, and moves any society towards a disregard for human value. Can such "convenient" disposal of the infirm, and elderly be not far behind?

OK. You missed the meaning behind my answer, which was based on your question, but that's ok.

Sex is by GOD and biology the means of procreation. Sex outside of marriage creates nothing but heartache and the spread of dangerous deceases and viral cancer. Two of the same sex cannot produce children and such acts reduces sex to pure folly.

And yet they do produce kids biologically...just not together. Or they adopt or do IVF or other ways. Just like millions of straight families. What "folly" is there in all those families? Where's the data showing there is more dysfunction in gay families? (source it from a non-religious site please.)

Children are the future of a society. Anything that belittles the nurture of children properly is wrong and undermines the health and stability of society.

You are the only one here "belittling" the nurture of kids in families with gay parents. Why? You're right...belittling children is bad for society...so why are you doing it? So any children get to choose their parents?

People who wish to be single pay a different premium then do individuals with families.

Not really, they pay for themselves...families pay more for more people. Now, again...if people should "pay" for their choices, then why should straight families who CHOOSE to have kids get health insurance and gay families not get it? Or get less?

And the sole purpose of this is to aid society by promoting a healthy atmosphere to raise children.

Well it's not true (about the health insurance $) so your comment here isnt accurate. We would have a much "healthier atmosphere" for raising children if their gay parents werent denigrated by people like you and the kids lives and upbringing also denigrated because of their parents. Your attitude is very unchristian. God's Word is forgiveness, brotherly love, compassion, and peace....nothing there says "treat gay people badly". God's Message is to love your brother as yourself...He didnt say "your straight brother."