In a dramatic shift, most Republicans now oppose same-sex marriage

[LittleNipper]

The outrageous behavior of some cats in a parade is ineffective propaganda for the right-wing Christian Nationalists because too many people know gays who arent like that.

So they turned their ire on transgenders who few people know. Much easier to demonize. Attacks on trans have been somewhat effective at cutting into GOP support for gay marraige.

The others in the parades allowed that sort of behavior to continue. Even at the Paris Olympics it was disrespectful, unnecessary, and rude. Not only that, the escapades had NOTHING to do with athletics, being an athlete, nor sports. Transgender is when someone doesn't like the body GOD gave to them. And rather than deal with the symptoms originating from within, today they change the wrapping paper because it's easier.

 

[j brown's body]

The others in the parades allowed that sort of behavior to continue. Even at the Paris Olympics it was disrespectful, unnecessary, and rude. Not only that, the escapades had NOTHING to do with athletics, being an athlete, nor sports. Transgender is when someone doesn't like the body GOD gave to them. And rather than deal with the symptoms originating from within, today they change the wrapping paper because it's easier.

My point is that many people know gays who aren't like that so focusing on that behavior isn't effective for opposing gay rights.

But it might not matter. I see you are guided more by faith than by logic.

BTW, does your username come from WC Fields?

 

[LittleNipper]

I won't waste time arguing with you, there is nothing to argue. I just want you to know: your attitudes and beliefs are dinosaurs, headed for the same destination. They have no perch anymore. Your kids and their kids kids are friends with and or dating LGTBQ folks. Or they're LGTBQ themselves and don't feel the need to hide it. You lost. And you'll take these attitudes to the grave with you, which is all that will be left of these beliefs. A hole in the ground.

I don't care. I grew up in the 1950's and my parents remained married 65 years. And my wife's parents remained married over 60 years, And my grandparents remained married 60 years, and my aunt and uncle remained married for over 60 years. The music today pretty much stinks. The movies are all remakes, and the television shows leave nothing to the imagination. You are the one who loses because you have to live here and now, and I'm getting ready to move on up. Enjoy yourself while you can, time is fleeting and you've not that far from being an old person yourself.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I don't care. I grew up in the 1950's and my parents remained married 65 years. And my wife's parents remained married over 60 years, And my grandparents remained married 60 years, and my aunt and uncle remained married for over 60 years. The music today pretty much stinks. The movies are all remakes, and the television shows leave nothing to the imagination. You are the one who loses because you have to live here and now, and I'm getting ready to move on up. Enjoy yourself while you can, time is fleeting and you've not that far from being an old person yourself.

Ah, so you're a senior as well. Excellent to hear. Good good.

 

[LittleNipper]

My point is that many people know gays who aren't like that so focusing on that behavior isn't effective for opposing gay rights.

I just look at society as it has "changed". It has been influenced by questionable behavior patterns. Kids today go to school wearing pajamas and slippers. Many don't verbally communicate --- much less look each other in the eye. They use the same 4 letter words, and many of their parents wear nothing but T shirts and jeans. Expressing one's self now seems to mean getting another tattoo.

But it might not matter. I see you are guided more by faith than by logic.

Faith isn't necessary illogical, and all logic isn't necessary of any value.

BTW, does your username come from WC Fields?

Actually, my dad worked at RCA. When I was young, I really enjoy old music machines & records. I also enjoyed some of the records of my day... Anyway, the RCA VICTOR dog was named NIPPER, and he was a little terrier.

RCA Victor Trademark. 'His Master'S Voice.'

 

[Slavister]

Yep; I've known a few Conservatives go through this and they all had a hard time with it.

 

[j brown's body]

I just look at society as it has "changed". It has been influenced by questionable behavior patterns. Kids today go to school wearing pajamas and slippers. Many don't verbally communicate --- much less look each other in the eye. They use the same 4 letter words, and many of their parents wear nothing but T shirts and jeans. Expressing one's self now seems to mean getting another tattoo.


Faith isn't necessary illogical, and all logic isn't necessary of any value.

Actually, my dad worked at RCA. When I was young, I really enjoy old music machines & records. I also enjoyed some of the records of my day... Anyway, the RCA VICTOR dog was named NIPPER, and he was a little terrier.

RCA Victor Trademark. 'His Master'S Voice.'

Oh yeah, I forgot about him. Not so little here in my town.



Our predecessors made the same complaints, as did theirs.

I would caution against relying on faith for political solutions. In this case, it appears to negatively impact your view of your fellow human beings.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Yep; I've known a few Conservatives go through this and they all had a hard time with it.

My hardcore Southern Republican cousin went through it.

When his son came out as gay it about killed my cousin.

But suddenly that's one of the few MAGA/republican things that he doesn't harp on anymore. He still hates on all the other people they're supposed to hate though.

 

[Hamish Howl]

One can be attracted to a pig, that in no way means that one MUST have sex with that pig. Not everyone has sex. And there are certainly individuals who have found someone of the opposite sex which they come to consider starting a family with and remaining true for entire life. Most, if not all deviate sex is the product of either being exposed to pornography or the trauma of some illicit encounter ----- sometimes childhood rape. It's society that since the 1950's has promoted the notion that sex is all there is to this life----- on radio, TV, magazines, pop culture and records, etc...

People are in fact going to have sex, even if you don't like it. Even Gay people.

 

[Hamish Howl]

You could; however, besides all the volunteer help churches extend to the community freely, and the fact that there is a separation of CHURCH and STATE that we hear about so often ---- I think you'd have a problem.

Not really. Churches' tax exemption is voided if they interfere in politics.

We should just enforce that.

As for adoption agencies --- what would then do with the children ----- send them to camp? Oh, wait many camps are connected with churches.

No, we would have to resort to more state orphanages.

I don't see why hateful people with strange beliefs should be making decisions for children.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The others in the parades allowed that sort of behavior to continue. Even at the Paris Olympics it was disrespectful, unnecessary, and rude. Not only that, the escapades had NOTHING to do with athletics, being an athlete, nor sports. Transgender is when someone doesn't like the body GOD gave to them. And rather than deal with the symptoms originating from within, today they change the wrapping paper because it's easier.

God should have some sort of return policy.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I don't care. I grew up in the 1950's and my parents remained married 65 years. And my wife's parents remained married over 60 years, And my grandparents remained married 60 years, and my aunt and uncle remained married for over 60 years. The music today pretty much stinks. The movies are all remakes, and the television shows leave nothing to the imagination. You are the one who loses because you have to live here and now, and I'm getting ready to move on up. Enjoy yourself while you can, time is fleeting and you've not that far from being an old person yourself.

 

[Hamish Howl]

"NOBODY" is a very broad term. I would say that there are at least one or two who care if I don't like it. In fact, the very idea that you had to say something must mean that you do care ------- you simply don't like my opinion.

Yes. And, broadly, nobody cares.

 

[bomberfox]

What are you talking about? The culture war was in full swing during the 80s and 90s and well into the 2000s, but the economy was, and the Cold War was also a big topic back then. I think you are wearing rainbow-tinted glasses to remember the decade without the debate over cultural issues.

Trump is anti-transgender, but he's not anti-gay. Get the facts straight, Jack.

The neoconservative evangelical GOP did try to ban gay marriage, but the Trump GOP hasn't. The party's view on gay marriage changed just like the Democrats used to oppose legalizing gay marriage but now support it.

True, but I totally need validation for my lifestyle choices, just like homosexuals.

Why do you keep saying the GOP is dead? The GOP isn't dead. Neoconservatism being the GOP's main ideology is dead, but the party is alive and well.

Exactly saying otherwise is revisionist history.

I am assuming you're talking about the Minnesota assassin Vance Boelter. If that's the case, I can't believe you think fringe lunatics like that, who everyone on the right condemned, represent the majority of the party.

How is Trump making you and your friends lives miserable? Are you friends with the ayatollah?

Jan 6th actually and no everyone didnt condemn Vance. I didnt blame Vance on the GOP but jan 6th is definitely all their fault.

 

[LittleNipper]

Oh yeah, I forgot about him. Not so little here in my town.

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Our predecessors made the same complaints, as did theirs.

I would caution against relying on faith for political solutions. In this case, it appears to negatively impact your view of your fellow human beings.

That is really cool. The machine modeled there is the 1898 New Improved Berliner Gram-o-phone ---- pre-VICTOR TALKING MACHINE CO. The machinist who designed the wind-up motor for that model had a machine shop in Camden, N.J.. His name was Mr. Eldridge Johnson ---- and he would eventually assume the patients from Berliner (the inventor of disc recording). And he established the VICTOR Talking Machine Co. and lived in Moorestown, NJ. Mr. Johnson is also known as the inventor of the Flexible Flyer Sled.

Faith and action must go hand in hand. I love people, I simply want them to hear the truth and not follow the latest fad nor follow what their friends are doing...

 

[Slavister]

Transgender is when someone doesn't like the body GOD gave to them. And rather than deal with the symptoms originating from within, today they change the wrapping paper because it's easier.

How many of your relatives or yourself wear glasses or contact lenses or hearing aids?

Why do they / you do it instead of dealing with what God gave you?

 

[Lursa]

Marriage is for families and the nurturing of children. When the government said okay to "Gay Marriage, it said that anything goes for a tax deduction and healthcare coverage. I've been surprised by a "Gay" Pride Parade. It is sure wasn't anything I'd want any child to view on a public street.

Gay couples, even gay singles, have a strong desire to be parents, they're no different from straight people in desiring families. And they often have to go to greater lengths to have them, esp. when the barriers are unnecessary legal ones, like for adoption.

Why do you think gay couples wouldnt/dont also "nurture" children? (if you do)

Also "gay" marriage then led to the whole trans-gender debacle. I don't know anyone who would wish to live in an outhouse (though today there may be a few), but it would seem that is where we are headed.

How so? SSM is "equal treatment under the law." When you describe gay marriage, then trans people so crudely, how about remembering all the cheating, divorces, domestic abuses, child abuse that has always existed within straight marriage?

 

[Lursa]

Simply take away the tax incentives, healthcare privileges and the ability to adopt babies. Then we will see.

I'm all for that. I've been saying that about straight marriage for years. Take them away from both.

Let any marriage simply be a ceremony thru whatever authority a couple desires, recognized under that authority, and be a commitment of love and respect...with no legal strings attached. Why not?

 

[Lursa]

One can be attracted to a pig, that in no way means that one MUST have sex with that pig. Not everyone has sex. And there are certainly individuals who have found someone of the opposite sex which they come to consider starting a family with and remaining true for entire life.

Why shouldnt gay people have sex? Why shouldnt they enjoy the same intimacy, bonding, enjoyment in a relationship as straight people?

Most, if not all deviate sex is the product of either being exposed to pornography or the trauma of some illicit encounter ----- sometimes childhood rape. It's society that since the 1950's has promoted the notion that sex is all there is to this life----- on radio, TV, magazines, pop culture and records, etc...

Gay intimacy isnt deviate...straight couples do all the same things...so I dont know what this has to do with the subject.

 

[Lursa]

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I grew up in the '60s and I think our social progress is exactly that...progress.

There's such stupid reverence for the 1950s as some golden era but all the same things were still there...just repressed or hidden from society. Lots of people were miserable or punished. There was plenty of domestic abuse. It was all swept under the rug.

The '50s were great, if you were a white middle or upper class male. For everyone else...it was less of everything for women/gays/minorities. Including respect.

 

[LittleNipper]

How many of your relatives or yourself wear glasses or contact lenses or hearing aids?

Why do they / you do it instead of dealing with what God gave you?

Correcting an impediment or taking medication to help heal an illness, is a far cry from butchering original healthy body parts because one wishes to be somehow different but never entirely achieving the goal. In the case where someone is born as both sexes (intersex) having body parts of both, I see no reason not to help and place them in the gender they feel most comfortable. There are health concerns with such individuals that may need to be addressed. But transgender-ism is more of a psychological problem and not a physical problem, and the medications and operations involved are not without serious risks or side affects. There are also concerns for the long-term well-being of the individual.

 

[LittleNipper]

Why shouldnt gay people have sex? Why shouldnt they enjoy the same intimacy, bonding, enjoyment in a relationship as straight people?

A "gay" man certainly can get married and father children with the woman he married. Gay man have the capacity to be excellent fathers and very caring husbands. But obviously, that isn't what you mean. The problem is that our bodies were designed by GOD to work under the best of conditions in a certain way. When people begin the monkey around with this, they can cause organ damage, spread diseases, and even experience progressive psychiatric problems. I see nothing wrong with one guy crying on his buddy's shoulder, but if such is a ploy to hop in the sack, it's wrong.

Gay intimacy isnt deviate...straight couples do all the same things...so I dont know what this has to do with the subject.

I think the issue is that supposed "gay" intimacy isn't really intimate. It's exploitative -- even stylized. One or the other eventually assumes the feminine role. My guess is as a conservative is why play house when one can be the real breadwinner, father, husband. As a Christian, I know GOD had a reason that HE designed things the way HE wished them. And realizing that Satan is real and wants to play god, I understand that he wishes to screw everything up as an insult to GOD and harmful to man.

 

[Lursa]

A "gay" man certainly can get married and father children with the woman he married. Gay man have the capacity to be excellent fathers and very caring husbands. But obviously, that isn't what you mean.

It is exactly what I mean and it's all that counts.

The problem is that our bodies were designed by GOD to work under the best of conditions in a certain way. When people begin the monkey around with this, they can cause organ damage, spread diseases, and even experience progressive psychiatric problems. I see nothing wrong with one guy crying on his buddy's shoulder, but if such is a ploy to hop in the sack, it's wrong.

Irrelevant BS. And much of it untrue.

I think the issue is that supposed "gay" intimacy isn't really intimate. It's exploitative -- even stylized.

Really? How do you know that? It's intimacy and enjoyable for those participating...why else would they be doing it? What's being exploited?

One or the other eventually assumes the feminine role. My guess is as a conservative is why play house when one can be the real breadwinner, father, husband. As a Christian, I know GOD had a reason that HE designed things the way HE wished them. And realizing that Satan is real and wants to play god, I understand that he wishes to screw everything up as an insult to GOD and harmful to man.

Just more ignorant crap you are speculating to support some fantasy agenda. Each is free to assume the identity they feel and are.

You already posted gay men make good fathers. So what's with all this other crap you're posting just to carry water for your God? And wny arent you including lesbians?

 

[Irredentist]

A "gay" man certainly can get married and father children with the woman he married. Gay man have the capacity to be excellent fathers and very caring husbands. But obviously, that isn't what you mean. The problem is that our bodies were designed by GOD to work under the best of conditions in a certain way. When people begin the monkey around with this, they can cause organ damage, spread diseases, and even experience progressive psychiatric problems. I see nothing wrong with one guy crying on his buddy's shoulder, but if such is a ploy to hop in the sack, it's wrong.


I think the issue is that supposed "gay" intimacy isn't really intimate. It's exploitative -- even stylized. One or the other eventually assumes the feminine role. My guess is as a conservative is why play house when one can be the real breadwinner, father, husband. As a Christian, I know GOD had a reason that HE designed things the way HE wished them. And realizing that Satan is real and wants to play god, I understand that he wishes to screw everything up as an insult to GOD and harmful to man.

If I, as a man, want to assume a feminine role in my relationship, that's my own business. I don't have to care what God thinks about it. I can be a good father and a good husband, while also acting like a woman in the bedroom, if that's what I want. God isn't going to stop me.

 

[LittleNipper]

You already posted gay men make good fathers. So what's with all this other crap you're posting just to carry water for your God? And wny arent you including lesbians?

Gay men could make good fathers, and likely good husbands if they worked at it. Marriage is work. Lesbians may have been abused by some guy, or it maybe a women's lib thing... I think many eventually find a man if they are young. If old, they had a man.