In a dramatic shift, most Republicans now oppose same-sex marriage

[uptower]

Once they're back in power it's ok now we can show our true selves. Which vulnerable groups do we want to hurt this time?

Prolly a lot of truth to this. They see themselves as ascendant. Victory to them is not just a totem, they must demonstrate they can wield power over the losers. They would hide their homophobia more when it might cost them (be it in votes or just potential social censure) but now think their “time” has come and they don’t have to hide their darker side from those they’ve defeated.

 

[LittleNipper]

OK. You missed the meaning behind my answer, which was based on your question, but that's ok.



And yet they do produce kids biologically...just not together. Or they adopt or do IVF or other ways. Just like millions of straight families. What "folly" is there in all those families? Where's the data showing there is more dysfunction in gay families? (source it from a non-religious site please.)



You are the only one here "belittling" the nurture of kids in families with gay parents. Why? You're right...belittling children is bad for society...so why are you doing it? So any children get to choose their parents?



Not really, they pay for themselves...families pay more for more people. Now, again...if people should "pay" for their choices, then why should straight families who CHOOSE to have kids get health insurance and gay families not get it? Or get less?



Well it's not true (about the health insurance $) so your comment here isnt accurate. We would have a much "healthier atmosphere" for raising children if their gay parents werent denigrated by people like you and the kids lives and upbringing also denigrated because of their parents. Your attitude is very unchristian. God's Word is forgiveness, brotherly love, compassion, and peace....nothing there says "treat gay people badly". God's Message is to love your brother as yourself...He didnt say "your straight brother."

The support of natural fundamentally safe birthing requirements and standard healthcare should be of paramount importance, and not those that are presently being encouraged to accommodate one's desired dichotomy for enjoyment's sake. I certainly do not wish to treat anyone badly, I simply feel that every lifestyle should not be accommodated. No one is forced to live in a particular way. It would be like allowing tattoos to be paid for by healthcare insurance because it involves the epidermis and needles. But the reality is that society as a whole does not benefit from a select group's desire for body art. Just as society doesn't benefit by a select group's desire of a queer sexual appetite. There have been historical moments in throughout time where there were questionable practices; however, even under such conditions, marriage was still regarded as between a man and a woman because that was the means to establish a heir and that was the primary reason for marriage in ancient times.

 

[Lursa]

The support of natural fundamentally safe birthing requirements and standard healthcare should be of paramount importance, and not those that are presently being encouraged to accommodate one's desired dichotomy for enjoyment's sake.

Why not? Are you saying that families with gay parents are 'for enjoyment's sake' only?

Well I hope that both straight and gay families enjoy their growth and time together...dont you?

I certainly do not wish to treat anyone badly, I simply feel that every lifestyle should not be accommodated. No one is forced to live in a particular way.

Why shouldnt they love and have sex with and create families with whom they want, just like straight people? The outcomes are the same...happy couples and happy families.

Is being straight "a lifestyle?" How do straight people live differently that gay people. Please give some examples?

And yes, sometimes "for both" dysfunction and sadness and divorce.

It would be like allowing tattoos to be paid for by healthcare insurance because it involves the epidermis and needles. But the reality is that society as a whole does not benefit from a select group's desire for body art. Just as society doesn't benefit by a select group's desire of a queer sexual appetite. There have been historical moments in throughout time where there were questionable practices; however, even under such conditions, marriage was still regarded as between a man and a woman because that was the means to establish a heir and that was the primary reason for marriage in ancient times.

And today, gay families still produce heirs, connect people in society, create good new citizens for society, contribute to their communities, etc etc etc. No different than straight couples. So again, why are you calling them out as less, or sex-driven? Sex is only a minor part of marriage....why do gay couples stay together when they start having less sex than many straight couples, if sex is the main "driver" of their lives?

 

[Aristaeus]

Solution to the gay marriage problem......if you dont want to be in a gay mariage, marry somone if the opposite gender, or dont get married.

Problem solved.

As far as what other people choose to do.....mind your own ****ing business.

Opposite sex I think you mean.

 

[LittleNipper]

Why not? Are you saying that families with gay parents are 'for enjoyment's sake' only?

Well I hope that both straight and gay families enjoy their growth and time together...dont you?



Why shouldnt they love and have sex with and create families with whom they want, just like straight people? The outcomes are the same...happy couples and happy families.

Is being straight "a lifestyle?" How do straight people live differently that gay people. Please give some examples?

And yes, sometimes "for both" dysfunction and sadness and divorce.


And today, gay families still produce heirs, connect people in society, create good new citizens for society, contribute to their communities, etc etc etc. No different than straight couples. So again, why are you calling them out as less, or sex-driven? Sex is only a minor part of marriage....why do gay couples stay together when they start having less sex than many straight couples, if sex is the main "driver" of their lives?

I will leave you with food for thought. But I'm not willing to continue in this vein.
PROVERBS 9:7-18

Proverbs 9
Invitations of Wisdom and Folly​

1 Wisdom has built her house; she has set up its seven pillars.
2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.
3 She has sent out her servants, and she calls
from the highest point of the city,
4 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
5 “Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.
6 Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of insight.”
7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults;
whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;
rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;
teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through wisdom your days will be many,
and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;
if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.
13 Folly is an unruly woman;
she is simple and knows nothing.
14 She sits at the door of her house,
on a seat at the highest point of the city,
15 calling out to those who pass by,
who go straight on their way,
16 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
17 “Stolen water is sweet;
food eaten in secret is delicious!”
18 But little do they know that the dead are there,
that her guests are deep in the realm of the dead.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I will leave you with food for thought. But I'm not willing to continue in this vein.
PROVERBS 9:7-18

Proverbs 9​

Invitations of Wisdom and Folly​

1 Wisdom has built her house; she has set up its seven pillars.
2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.
3 She has sent out her servants, and she calls
from the highest point of the city,
4 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
5 “Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.
6 Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of insight.”
7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults;
whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;
rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;
teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through wisdom your days will be many,
and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;
if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.
13 Folly is an unruly woman;
she is simple and knows nothing.
14 She sits at the door of her house,
on a seat at the highest point of the city,
15 calling out to those who pass by,
who go straight on their way,
16 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
17 “Stolen water is sweet;
food eaten in secret is delicious!”
18 But little do they know that the dead are there,
that her guests are deep in the realm of the dead.

So youve got no response to her post. Just weid bible quotes.

 

[Nickyjo]

Because Leviticus?
Conservatives favourite cherry tree.

Lotta crazy stuff in Leviticus.

 

[Lursa]

I will leave you with food for thought. But I'm not willing to continue in this vein.
PROVERBS 9:7-18

Proverbs 9​

Invitations of Wisdom and Folly​

1 Wisdom has built her house; she has set up its seven pillars.
2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.
3 She has sent out her servants, and she calls
from the highest point of the city,
4 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
5 “Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.
6 Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of insight.”
7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults;
whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;
rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;
teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through wisdom your days will be many,
and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;
if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.
13 Folly is an unruly woman;
she is simple and knows nothing.
14 She sits at the door of her house,
on a seat at the highest point of the city,
15 calling out to those who pass by,
who go straight on their way,
16 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
17 “Stolen water is sweet;
food eaten in secret is delicious!”
18 But little do they know that the dead are there,
that her guests are deep in the realm of the dead.

Didnt read it. I will leave it at your posts of intolerance and cruelty and falsehoods regarding gay people and their families. Very unchristian and seems hypocritical to use scripture.

 

[Maccabee]

Try to explain that to CLAX who himself is transphobic but thinks that the GOP supports gay rights.

I wound up putting him on ignore with his blatant bad faith takes.

 

[Maccabee]

I will leave you with food for thought. But I'm not willing to continue in this vein.
PROVERBS 9:7-18

Proverbs 9​

Invitations of Wisdom and Folly​

1 Wisdom has built her house; she has set up its seven pillars.
2 She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.
3 She has sent out her servants, and she calls
from the highest point of the city,
4 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
5 “Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.
6 Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of insight.”
7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults;
whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.
8 Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;
rebuke the wise and they will love you.
9 Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;
teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11 For through wisdom your days will be many,
and years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, your wisdom will reward you;
if you are a mocker, you alone will suffer.
13 Folly is an unruly woman;
she is simple and knows nothing.
14 She sits at the door of her house,
on a seat at the highest point of the city,
15 calling out to those who pass by,
who go straight on their way,
16 “Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
17 “Stolen water is sweet;
food eaten in secret is delicious!”
18 But little do they know that the dead are there,
that her guests are deep in the realm of the dead.

You're quoting the same book that mandated incest in order to populate the earth TWICE? The same book written by Solomon with a thousand wives? And for what purpose?

 

[LittleNipper]

You're quoting the same book that mandated incest in order to populate the earth TWICE? The same book written by Solomon with a thousand wives? And for what purpose?

Here is a very honest answer for you. Please regard the following (and the Bible records more than the two cases that you sighted) : https://www.gotquestions.org/incest-in-the-Bible.html

Incest today most usually involves the abuse of a minor. That wasn't the case when it was allowed, It must also be understood that GOD apparently added the law because the DNA/gene pool was becoming more and more polluted because of the influence of sin. This would eventually result in ever increasing deformities, genetic diseases, and other abnormalities. If you read through Genesis, you should note that the age to which people lived continued to get shorter and shorter. It was not until Moses that it was forbidden to marry ones close relatives. Even Abraham (centuries before Moses) married his half-sister Sarah.

 

[Maccabee]

Here is a very honest answer for you. Please regard the following (and the Bible records more than the two cases that you sighted) : https://www.gotquestions.org/incest-in-the-Bible.html

Incest today most usually involves the abuse of a minor. That wasn't the case when it was allowed, It must also be understood that GOD apparently added the law because the DNA/gene pool was becoming more and more polluted because of the influence of sin. This would eventually result in ever increasing deformities, genetic diseases, and other abnormalities. If you read through Genesis, you should note that the age to which people lived continued to get shorter and shorter. It was not until Moses that it was forbidden to marry ones close relatives. Even Abraham (centuries before Moses) married his half-sister Sarah.

Aside from the fact that it's far more likely that abuse of a minor was far more rampant back then, do you have any sort of evidence that people lived over 900 years? My point is, not everyone ascribes to your religion, especially when there's very little evidence that your religion is correct, so if you want to convince people that homosexuality is wrong, then you need to use secular sources. That's what I did when I was a homophobic devoted believer.

 

[LittleNipper]

Aside from the fact that it's far more likely that abuse of a minor was far more rampant back then, do you have any sort of evidence that people lived over 900 years? My point is, not everyone ascribes to your religion, especially when there's very little evidence that your religion is correct, so if you want to convince people that homosexuality is wrong, then you need to use secular sources. That's what I did when I was a homophobic devoted believer.

Well, don't you feel that individuals that had the capacity to live hundreds of years might begin to look somewhat different? Bigger jaws, heaver brows, more stooped, and have larger bone growth? Sounds perhaps like a Neanderthal perhaps..? The act of homosexuality is (unlike most heterosexual couples) devoted entirely to only anal and or oral sex. And as a result of that constant sort of organ abuse, there must be physical signs of health issues, such as gum disease, mouth & throat cancer, anal fissures. Small but deep, fissures can cause severe pain and bright red bleeding, Colon perforation and serious infection, and cancer can all be the result of anal irritation. I'm sorry, but who talks about these things. It's not discussed because it's not popular to reveal the bad side of what everyone seems to be promoting as "normal".

 

[Maccabee]

Well, don't you feel that individuals that had the capacity to live hundreds of years might begin to look somewhat different? Bigger jaws, heaver brows, more stooped, and have larger bone growth? Sounds perhaps like a Neanderthal perhaps..?

Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You're now going up against near established and fully established science and no one who spent years studying anthropology and related fields is saying that neanderthals are actually really old humans. The mere fact that we can find baby neanderthals poses as a huge obstacle for your hypothesis. Also, we're getting off track. If you want to talk about religion, there's a whole sub forum for that.

The act of homosexuality is (unlike most heterosexual couples) devoted entirely to only anal and or oral sex.

While the physical act of homosexuality does involve anal, oral, and mutual masturbation, your premise entirely ignores the romantic aspect of being gay. We love each other just as hard, if not harder than heterosexual couples. We love each other despite centuries of discrimination and persecution. There has almost never been a time where straight couples were persecuted for the sole purpose of being straight.

And as a result of that constant sort of organ abuse, there must be physical signs of health issues, such as gum disease, mouth & throat cancer, anal fissures. Small but deep, fissures can cause severe pain and bright red bleeding, Colon perforation and serious infection, and cancer can all be the result of anal irritation. I'm sorry, but who talks about these things. It's not discussed because it's not popular to reveal the bad side of what everyone seems to be promoting as "normal".

Aside from the fact that you're ignoring lesbians, you're also ignoring all of the "abuse" that can and often does come with vaginal sex.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I don't care. I grew up in the 1950's and my parents remained married 65 years. And my wife's parents remained married over 60 years, And my grandparents remained married 60 years, and my aunt and uncle remained married for over 60 years. The music today pretty much stinks. The movies are all remakes, and the television shows leave nothing to the imagination. You are the one who loses because you have to live here and now, and I'm getting ready to move on up. Enjoy yourself while you can, time is fleeting and you've not that far from being an old person yourself.

You're right about TV....and RADIO!

I am so sick of that ****ing hype.

Does it still work?

 

[Fearandloathing]

You're quoting the same book that mandated incest in order to populate the earth TWICE? The same book written by Solomon with a thousand wives? And for what purpose?

The book that claimed we all came from ONE woman?????????????

If you analyze just that, just the opening paragraphs you absolutely must conclude its bullshit!!!!!!!

How many races have inhabited the earth? You telling me Eve carried Eskimko genes?

The book works for idiots and squirrels but any kid with a calculator is going to goon you!

The book was written by a peoples who had no clue the earth was round and thought that the stars in the skies weren't painted on rock! That fish could get so big they could swallow a man! That the earth was so small it could be completely flooded in 40 days and 40 nights (more like 400,000 days and nights).

 

[LittleNipper]

The book that claimed we all came from ONE woman?????????????

If you analyze just that, just the opening paragraphs you absolutely must conclude its b==t!!!!!!

How many races have inhabited the earth? You telling me Eve carried Eskimko genes?

The book works for idiots and squirrels but any kid with a calculator is going to goon you!

The book was written by a peoples who had no clue the earth was round and thought that the stars in the skies weren't painted on rock! That fish could get so big they could swallow a man! That the earth was so small it could be completely flooded in 40 days and 40 nights (more like 400,000 days and nights).

What seems to have happened is that families moved to various parts of the world where they preferred to live or were more comfortable. They likely interbred and over time the dominate physical traits became more apparent. But as with cats and dogs, I see no reason that a thousand years couldn't make a big difference. Most of the dog and cat breeding took place over a 400 year period. So the mutt and the domestic short/long hair became all the variety we see today.

It seems to me that with GOD all things are possible, and without GOD nothing is.

 

[LittleNipper]

Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You're now going up against near established and fully established science and no one who spent years studying anthropology and related fields is saying that neanderthals are actually really old humans. The mere fact that we can find baby neanderthals poses as a huge obstacle for your hypothesis. Also, we're getting off track. If you want to talk about religion, there's a whole sub forum for that.


While the physical act of homosexuality does involve anal, oral, and mutual masturbation, your premise entirely ignores the romantic aspect of being gay. We love each other just as hard, if not harder than heterosexual couples. We love each other despite centuries of discrimination and persecution. There has almost never been a time where straight couples were persecuted for the sole purpose of being straight.

Aside from the fact that you're ignoring lesbians, you're also ignoring all of the "abuse" that can and often does come with vaginal sex.

Lesbians do not have the plumbing. One is just as likely to kiss a guy as to kiss a woman. If one really wants romance, that is far better expressed between a woman and a male. If you wish a hunting or fishing partner, that's called a friend. And it wasn't until recently that healthy individuals were operated on ---- that was for one purely for sick individuals.

 

[LittleNipper]

Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You're now going up against near established and fully established science and no one who spent years studying anthropology and related fields is saying that neanderthals are actually really old humans. The mere fact that we can find baby neanderthals poses as a huge obstacle for your hypothesis. Also, we're getting off track. If you want to talk about religion, there's a whole sub forum for that.

I know that Creation scientists are going up against the establishment, but that is what scientists do ----- they seek the truth and don't simply agree with everyone else. And what do baby Neanderthals look like? Seems to me they appear like modern children. A BBC special said the following:
Later dating showed the footprint surface formed around 80-120,000 years ago, meaning they can only have been left by Neanderthals, walking barefoot along the margins of a salty marsh or lagoon. What they were doing, and where they were going, we can only guess at, but among the 87 prints found were some much smaller than the others. This was a group, and some of them were children. found here: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210706-the-secret-lives-of-neanderthal-children


An assumption is being made based entirely on what they have dated the age of the footprints to be! What is being dated isn't the age of the footprints but the age they have given to the material in which the footprints were left.

 

[Maccabee]

Lesbians do not have the plumbing. One is just as likely to kiss a guy as to kiss a woman. If one really wants romance, that is far better expressed between a woman and a male. If you wish a hunting or fishing partner, that's called a friend. And it wasn't until recently that healthy individuals were operated on ---- that was for one purely for sick individuals.

Your comment only shows your complete lack in knowledge on the subject. Is it really that unfathomable for you to think that maybe gays and lesbians can express love and romance for each other beyond "fishing buddies"? Also homosexuality has existed since even before humans, so it's not anything recent.

 

[Maccabee]

I know that Creation scientists are going up against the establishment, but that is what scientists do ----- they seek the truth and don't simply agree with everyone else.

No, they ignore the scientific method and the observable universe to promote their religion.

And what do baby Neanderthals look like? Seems to me they appear like modern children. A BBC special said the following:
Later dating showed the footprint surface formed around 80-120,000 years ago, meaning they can only have been left by Neanderthals, walking barefoot along the margins of a salty marsh or lagoon. What they were doing, and where they were going, we can only guess at, but among the 87 prints found were some much smaller than the others. This was a group, and some of them were children. found here: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210706-the-secret-lives-of-neanderthal-children


An assumption is being made based entirely on what they have dated the age of the footprints to be! What is being dated isn't the age of the footprints but the age they have given to the material in which the footprints were left.

That's just half the picture and even then that's giving them a lot of credit. Nature documentaries compress a LOT of science and even embellish a little to (a) fit within a 1-2 hour time slot and (b) to sell an interesting show. They're not peer reviewed scientific papers or PhD dissertations. The reason we know the prints are so old is by cross referencing multiple dating methods. The reason we know they could only made by neanderthals is the same reason we know T. Rex prints were made by a T. Rex. If you're ACTUALLY interested in science then I encourage you to read up on experts in the field who respond to YEC talking points.

 

[LittleNipper]

Your comment only shows your complete lack in knowledge on the subject. Is it really that unfathomable for you to think that maybe gays and lesbians can express love and romance for each other beyond "fishing buddies"? Also homosexuality has existed since even before humans, so it's not anything recent.

Well, if you believe in evolution as the way "modern" man crawled up and out of the primordial slime, explain to me why humans are still acting so immature when it comes to sex. I mean, if we follow your logic --- shouldn't man and ladies too, be immune to such animalistic behavior and simply apply sex as a means for procreating. Lesbianism and homosexuality applying mature modern standards would seem totally immature and undoubtedly displaying a serious disconnect to advanced "modern" culture and a throw back to some ape mentality. So, my complete lack of knowledge seems to bring your own ideology into question. We are either advancing or we are perhaps digressing, but anyone who imagines that men with men and women with women is productive in anyway is not thinking in a healthy mature and "modern" advanced way. Backward isn't forward. And we shouldn't be as a society encouraging immature backward actions.

 

[LittleNipper]

No, they ignore the scientific method and the observable universe to promote their religion.

That's just half the picture and even then that's giving them a lot of credit. Nature documentaries compress a LOT of science and even embellish a little to (a) fit within a 1-2 hour time slot and (b) to sell an interesting show. They're not peer reviewed scientific papers or PhD dissertations. The reason we know the prints are so old is by cross referencing multiple dating methods. The reason we know they could only made by neanderthals is the same reason we know T. Rex prints were made by a T. Rex. If you're ACTUALLY interested in science then I encourage you to read up on experts in the field who respond to YEC talking points.

I've actually seen these videos before. But perhaps the following may cause you some thought:
Pääbo's statements on the Neanderthals are revealing. The entire article can be found : https://answersingenesis.org/human-...zhFgwxO3KBqdBoegpTBi_dOU6OXczMw0KppwfmUA2Wx99

We had by now shown . . . that there had been mixing between Neanderthals and modern humans, I knew that taxonomic wars over Neanderthal classification would continue, since there is no definition of a species perfectly describing the case. Many would say that a species is a group of organisms that can produce fertile offspring with each other and cannot do so with members of other groups. From that perspective we had shown that Neanderthals and modern humans were the same species.6

And while we are at it, perhaps you might just consider this science debate between 3 atheists vs one Christian:

 

[Maccabee]

Well, if you believe in evolution as the way "modern" man crawled up and out of the primordial slime, explain to me why humans are still acting so immature when it comes to sex.

Why wouldn't we act "immature", as you put it, when it comes to sex? We're animals with a strong sex drive. If anything, we should have multiple partners to better our chances of survival.

I mean, if we follow your logic --- shouldn't man and ladies too, be immune to such animalistic behavior and simply apply sex as a means for procreating.

Why would that be the case? As social animals, we have sex for more than just procreating. We also have sex to create mutual bonds and pleasure.

Lesbianism and homosexuality applying mature modern standards would seem totally immature and undoubtedly displaying a serious disconnect to advanced "modern" culture and a throw back to some ape mentality.

In what way? Who is defining what is or isn't mature when it comes to two (or more) consenting adults having sex?

So, my complete lack of knowledge seems to bring your own ideology into question. We are either advancing or we are perhaps digressing, but anyone who imagines that men with men and women with women is productive in anyway is not thinking in a healthy mature and "modern" advanced way. Backward isn't forward. And we shouldn't be as a society encouraging immature backward actions.

Again, how is it backwards?

 

[Maccabee]

I've actually seen these videos before. But perhaps the following may cause you some thought:
Pääbo's statements on the Neanderthals are revealing. The entire article can be found : https://answersingenesis.org/human-...zhFgwxO3KBqdBoegpTBi_dOU6OXczMw0KppwfmUA2Wx99

Just because they can produce viable offspring doesn't mean that they're the same species. Wolves and dogs can produce viable offspring but they're not the same species. Same with lions and tigers, horses and donkeys in rare cases, and other examples. House cats and tigers can't breed with each other, yet I don't think you'll argue that they're not related.

And while we are at it, perhaps you might just consider this science debate between 3 atheists vs one Christian:

Exactly what am I'm supposed to get out of this video? At least my two videos directly addressed your concerns about human evolution.