Did the “send her back” chant go too far?

[X Factor]

How dare his haters for thinking the POTUS is responsible for the words that come out of his mouth.

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This, in no way, addresses what I said.

 

[Grand Mal]

It’s one thing to say something to the effect of leave if you hate it here so much. It’s another thing to say an American citizen should be sent somewhere against their will.

Getting harder and harder, innit?
Bar drops by inches and it's like the frog in the pot on the stove.

 

[Cardinal]

And how did that work out for John McCain?

He did a decent thing, and was remembered as a decent human being for that moment.

Your question suggests to me that you think he was a fool for doing that. Do you believe that?

 

[X Factor]

Re: Did the “send her back� chant go too far?

"She's proud of Al Qaeda!"

That's a duck test.

When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up,” Omar said during an interview from 2013 when she was an activist within the Somali community, chuckling as she imitated the professor saying "Al Qaeda" and "Hezbollah."

Omar went on to contrast the way people say the names of terror groups with how they pronounce the names of western powers:

“But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.”

Ilhan Omar, in bizarre clip, jokes about people saying ‘Al Qaeda’ in menacing tone | Fox News

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Did the “send her back” chant go too far?

Ilhan Omar, in bizarre clip, jokes about people saying ‘Al Qaeda’ in menacing tone | Fox News

It is a bizarre clip (sound bite, text bite), from 6 years ago, and I wonder the context. It's not:

"She's proud of Al Qaeda!"

 

[X Factor]

He did a decent thing, and was remembered as a decent human being for that moment.

Your question suggests to me that you think he was a fool for doing that. Do you believe that?

No. I don’t think it hurt him but I also don’t think helped. Saying nothing at all would have had the exact same effect.

 

[ecofarm]

No. I don’t think it hurt him but I also don’t think helped. Saying nothing at all would have had the exact same effect.

It was a great moment for which he will forever be revered.





That's a great man.

 

[Cardinal]

No. I don’t think it hurt him but I also don’t think helped. Saying nothing at all would have had the exact same effect.

If he wasn't hurt for it and wasn't helped for it, then it sounds to me like doing the decent thing was a no-brainer.

 

[X Factor]

It was a great moment for which he will forever be revered.

It’s not that moment, or even his military service he’s being revered for now, it’s that he was anti Trump.

 

[ecofarm]

It’s not that moment, or even his military service he’s being revered for now, it’s that he was anti Trump.

Nonsense. His Christmas story:

One night, after being mistreated as a P.O.W., a guard loosened the ropes binding me, easing my pain. On Christmas, that same guard approached me, and without saying a word, he drew a cross in the sand. We stood wordlessly looking at the cross, remembering the true light of Christmas.

I will never forget that no matter where you are, no matter how difficult the circumstances, there will always be someone who will pick you up.

McCain Shares P.O.W. Christmas Story - The New York Times

 

[ocean515]

While the Russian hookers pee on Trump's yellow hair from the above.

Do you write for CNN?

 

[Rexedgar]

No. I don’t think it hurt him but I also don’t think helped. Saying nothing at all would have had the exact same effect.

When someone does the decent thing and there is nothing to gain, it makes the gesture all the more “decent.” We wouldn’t be discussing this if McCain had stayed silent.

 

[ocean515]

And all this time, I thought it was the mantra of the democrats "when they go low, we go high". I don't know how you managed to flip that around.

Trump isn't totally responsible for the current racial division. It had been deep seated within the Republican party for decades, going way back to George Wallace. He ran for president twice and everyone knew he was a blatant racist. Compared to Trump, George Wallace seemed moderate. Chaos and racial division followed the Obama two terms because rural white lower income believed they were overlooked (forgotten Americans) and didn't get the attention and focus they felt they deserved. They resented that racial minorities, gay rights and women's equalities were 'getting too much' freedom. They felt their tax dollars were supporting 'hand-outs' to lazy people who didn't want to work, people who just wanted to sit around, do drugs, drink booze and wait for their check each month, a check created out of the tax dollars they paid by working hard.

People need to be honest with themselves, Trump was just mirroring what they had been feeling since 2008 and the election of a black president.

Deep seated my ass. Go sell you racist bigoted nonsense at DailyKos.

 

[X Factor]

When someone does the decent thing and there is nothing to gain, it makes the gesture all the more “decent.” We wouldn’t be discussing this if McCain had stayed silent.

Sometimes I try understanding the “other side” by imagining myself in the shoes of those I disagree with. So, in this case, I think of a Dem candidate defending his Repub opponent to one of the Dem candidates supporters and ask myself what I’d think about it and all I can come up with is that it would never happen. It’s nice you all respect him and everything for it but it didn’t change how your side treated him and not just during the campaign. As long as McCain was going against his party or defending someone you all liked, you had all this respect and you could applaud yourself for being nonpartisan, but when he was the opposition, he was just as much the devil as any Repub.

Seriously, I know the **** that’s been said about Trump and what will be said about him at campaign rallies and not one of you will be all, “hey, that goes too far,” and I understand that, but some of you do seem to feel your candidates are owed something extra from Repub candidates that Repub candidates aren’t.

 

[lurchadams]

I’m mainly interested in what my fellow righties have to say, but of course anyone can vote. I hadn’t heard or read about it until this morning. IMO, yeah, I think it went too far and I’m glad the President made it clear he didn’t agree with it. It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here, but chanting to “send her back,” presumably involuntarily, because we don’t like what she said? That’s not good and we shouldn’t defend it.

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"He didn't agree with it". What a joke! He encouraged it and let it go on. He didn't try to stop it and didn't say anything about it until the next day. Please.

 

[X Factor]

"He didn't agree with it". What a joke! He encouraged it and let it go on. He didn't try to stop it and didn't say anything about it until the next day. Please.

Like I said earlier, I can think of no greater waste of time than to try convincing his haters that his response was adequate or sincere, so I am uninterested in trying.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I’m mainly interested in what my fellow righties have to say, but of course anyone can vote. I hadn’t heard or read about it until this morning. IMO, yeah, I think it went too far and I’m glad the President made it clear he didn’t agree with it. It is one thing to suggest that someone leave the country on their own because they seem to intensely dislike it here, but chanting to “send her back,” presumably involuntarily, because we don’t like what she said? That’s not good and we shouldn’t defend it.

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Let's say you are leading a rally and they light a cross at it and start waving confederate flags. You don't say anything at the rally about it, despite the fact you are the only one with a microphone. Yet later, when questioned, you say I didn't like it, but they were the ones doing it.

One of the reasons why Trump is such an utterly despicable human being is he has tens of millions of loyal followers willing to rationalize everything he does, no matter how despicable it is.

 

[lurchadams]

She makes herself a convenient target. Not sure what she expects. She seems to get away with her hateful rhetoric. Why again does she deserve special privilege? Did the crowd get carried away? Of course. Do they have the right to be frustrated with the Omarites? Of course. All the nastiness coming from the left, and it is a bleep on the radar. When it comes from Trump's corner, the PC warriors come out in force.
Having said that, I think both sides should cool their britches, grow up and show some mutual respect. I don't like this lack of decorum from anyone. I don't like hypocrisy either.

She does not "get away with her rhetoric". She was rebuked immediately by her own party for her statement on Israel and apologized.

That's the difference between you and your alt-right buddies and the democrats. We admit when we're wrong. You live in a world of denial and apologize for your own party leader's white supremacist rhetoric. Instead of rebuking trump as they should, your cowardly GOP politicians run away like little bitches and refuse to condemn trump's racist speech.

Don't even try to draw any equivalency between your cowardly, racist party and the Democrats. You're going to fail miserably.

 

[lurchadams]

Like I said earlier, I can think of no greater waste of time than to try convincing his haters that his response was adequate or sincere, so I am uninterested in trying.

Yes, you shouldn't try because you're going to fail.

 

[tres borrachos]

Many of the people that hold McCain out as this hero now do so because he went after Trump. Had he been a Trump supporter, McCain’s “service” wouldn’t mean squat now.

Horse****. The Democrats as a group, on this board or the politicians, did not disparage McCain's service. His opponent didn't disparage his service. That piece of garbage draft dodger Trump disparaged his service, and most Republicans, on here and elsewhere, followed Trump's lead.

 

[JasperL]

It’s not that moment, or even his military service he’s being revered for now, it’s that he was anti Trump.

In a cult, everything is always about Dear Leader.

 

[tres borrachos]

People respected him for that act.

Even the people in the audience - and the event was an audience of McCain supporters. I saw a clip of that last night. After he took the microphone from that woman who said Obama was an "Arab", he said "No ma'am, he's a good father and a patriotic American (or something to that effect)" and walked away to cheers from his audience.

That was back when I was a Republican and Republicans had decency. Then along came Trump, and they became trash. Like him.

 

[X Factor]

Yes, you shouldn't try because you're going to fail.

I know, that’s what I’m saying.

 

[tres borrachos]

Did anybody else catch Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy blatantly lying through his teeth while trying to give Trump cover?

He said Trump stopped it immediately. 13 seconds later, after basking in the glory of his worshippers chanting.
He said it was a "small group on the side". It was everyone, including everyone sitting behind him. Even Thom Tillis said it was basically the entire arena.
He said Trump never mentioned the names of the 4 Congresswomen. Trump said each of their names, with a dig.

Trump lies. McCarthy lies. The party is on a death spiral now.

 

[X Factor]

Horse****. The Democrats as a group, on this board or the politicians, did not disparage McCain's service. His opponent didn't disparage his service. That piece of garbage draft dodger Trump disparaged his service, and most Republicans, on here and elsewhere, followed Trump's lead.

I’ll just leave this here.

John McCain: A ‘Maverick,’ Revisited – Rolling Stone