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Democratic impeachment calls swell as McGahn defies subpoena

I agree. The Democrats have the larger base and have had since FDR. Also 2016 was the most unique election we ever had. It was between the two most unwanted major party candidates in our history. 56% of all Americans viewed Hillary unfavorably or didn't like or want her, 60% viewed Trump unfavorably or didn't like or want him. That is the record for the highest unfavorable's going back to FDR. Goldwater in 1964 held the record for the highest unfavorable at 47% until Trump and Hillary came around. Barry can now rest in peace knowing he isn't the most unlike presidential candidate anymore.

Yes, turnout was an very important factor in 2016. The Democratic base had a six point advantage in numbers, but that shrunk to three among those who actually voted. Meaning the Republicans had the higher percentage turnout. Hillary's ho hum campaign and lack of campaign appearances, hitting the trail led to a lack of enthusiasm for the democratic base to turn out. Trump was always full of energy and that inspired his base. His supporters would go to the four corners of the earth for him, Hillary's, some wouldn't even go to the polls for her.

Strange as it might seem, the same thing occurred in 2000. The Democratic base had a 5 point electoral advantage, but only 3 when it came to actual turnout. The statue Gore didn't inspire either. If the Democratic base had turned out, Gore and Hillary would have both won.

I don't think the Democratic base will have that problem in 2020 regardless of whom is their nominee. Trump is a great motivator even if their candidate isn't. That was seen during the midterms. The Democratic base had only a three point party advantage in 2018 but come turnout, the democratic advantage increased to five points. It was the Republicans who stayed home more than the democrats.

I find it interesting how the left focuses on the House elections and not the overall elections in 2018 where Republicans gained Senate seats. yes, the turnout was greater for Democrats than Republicans in 2018 but only in various districts around the country. On statewide elections with national consequences Republicans still maintained control and will again because when the chips are down the American people will vote their own best interests which are the pocketbook issues. Radicals will appeal to each other and make others believe they are the majority when the reality remains we have a silent majority that will never turn this country over to the radicals that the Democrats are shoving down the throats of the American people.

Why can't the radical left give us a valid reason to vote FOR a Democrat as what would they do to benefit the majority of the American people?
 
Why do you think Pelosi is resisting?

Because she's smarter than the average liberal.

Impeachment is a lose lose for the Democrats. If you win it comes off looking like a political agenda. Which it is. If you lose, you come off looking like losers. Which you will be.
 
Because she's smarter than the average liberal.

Impeachment is a lose lose for the Democrats. If you win it comes off looking like a political agenda. Which it is. If you lose, you come off looking like losers. Which you will be.

I agree with that.

And that is why I want the House to move forward with Impeachment immediately. Let the Nation see what they are as soon as possible.
 
She is reading polls instead of doing her job in this aspect.

As party leader and the person responsible for winning elections, isn't reading polls part of her job?
 
I agree with that.

And that is why I want the House to move forward with Impeachment immediately. Let the Nation see what they are as soon as possible.

Americans have a short attention span. I'd like to see the impeachment happen closer to the election.
 
She is reading polls instead of doing her job in this aspect.
SIAP. Pelosi is doing her job as she sees it. As it turns out, Pelosi doesn't represent dems nor the American people. She's the speaker of the house. Pelosi's job is to keep dems in control of the house, at least. She fears an impeachment vote will cause dems to lose the house in 2020....Dems may not allow Pelosi to stay on as speaker 'til 2020 'cause they want the impeachment.....
 
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Americans have a short attention span. I'd like to see the impeachment happen closer to the election.

Perhaps. Since the money people can make, candidates included, is so extreme, it's election time all the time.
 
I find it interesting how the left focuses on the House elections and not the overall elections in 2018 where Republicans gained Senate seats. yes, the turnout was greater for Democrats than Republicans in 2018 but only in various districts around the country. On statewide elections with national consequences Republicans still maintained control and will again because when the chips are down the American people will vote their own best interests which are the pocketbook issues. Radicals will appeal to each other and make others believe they are the majority when the reality remains we have a silent majority that will never turn this country over to the radicals that the Democrats are shoving down the throats of the American people.

Why can't the radical left give us a valid reason to vote FOR a Democrat as what would they do to benefit the majority of the American people?

In my view there is not one of the current crop of Democratic candidates that have even tried to give me a reason to vote for them. So they must give me a reason to vote against the other guy. Which they haven't.

That's been the case for the past 2.5 years. Nothing but Trump bad. We can't win at the ballot box, so we must win in the courts or impeach. Those who are against us are still deplorables.

Democrats lost the last election because they nominated the worst candidate possible. You'd think they'd learn something. They haven't.
 
Now... If someone would just kick Pelosi in the but and get her moving...


You guys are falling into Trump's trap. Impeachment helped Bill Clinton and it will help Trump too, just in time for the 2020 election. Funny how after a two year 35 million dollar investigation which basically turned up nothing on Trump Democrats are yammering about how this is the biggest cover-up ever, like Mueller's investigation was too incompetent to be able to get past the huge so called cover-up.
 
In my view there is not one of the current crop of Democratic candidates that have even tried to give me a reason to vote for them. So they must give me a reason to vote against the other guy. Which they haven't.

That's been the case for the past 2.5 years. Nothing but Trump bad. We can't win at the ballot box, so we must win in the courts or impeach. Those who are against us are still deplorables.

Democrats lost the last election because they nominated the worst candidate possible. You'd think they'd learn something. They haven't.

Not sure Hillary was the worst candidate. I don't think anyone other than Hillary would've beaten Trump. Sanders wouldn't have beaten Trump in 2016 (I hope dems offer Sanders in the 2020 presidential race). Trump is a populist and that is just what the people want. Politicians who represent the wishes of the people...for once.
 
Americans have a short attention span. I'd like to see the impeachment happen closer to the election.

Why Americans are so tired of Trump news | TheHill

honestly it won't matter people are tired of hearing it.
they are honestly sick of it. they are simply tuning out the noise.

what they are looking at is this.

jobs are everywhere.
people are making more money.

Face It: You (Probably) Got a Tax Cut - The New York Times

fact is people paid less in taxes.
wage growth has been strong.

that is what people are going to look at.
not meaningless mindless leftist idiots crying about an election that they legally lost.
 
I find it interesting how the left focuses on the House elections and not the overall elections in 2018 where Republicans gained Senate seats. yes, the turnout was greater for Democrats than Republicans in 2018 but only in various districts around the country. On statewide elections with national consequences Republicans still maintained control and will again because when the chips are down the American people will vote their own best interests which are the pocketbook issues. Radicals will appeal to each other and make others believe they are the majority when the reality remains we have a silent majority that will never turn this country over to the radicals that the Democrats are shoving down the throats of the American people.

Why can't the radical left give us a valid reason to vote FOR a Democrat as what would they do to benefit the majority of the American people?

Reason? The first midterm is usually a referendum on the president. The nationwide vote in house races was 53.4% for Democratic congressional candidates vs. 44.8% for the Republicans. The senate had races in only 34 states vs. the 50 for the house. Although the GOP picked up two seats, the overall vote in those 34 states was Democratic senators 59.3% to the GOP senate candidates 39.1%,

I don't think the popular vote means much in the senate contests as you pointed out, it is who wins each state that counts. But the overall House vote which is nationwide I do think means a lot. Especially in looking at how independents voted. In 2016 Trump won the independent vote 46-42 over Hillary with 12% voting third party. In 2016 the Republican congressional candidates won independents 51-47. But in 2018, independents went Democratic 54-42.

I think those independent numbers are telling. In 2016 you had 12% of independents who voted against both Trump and Hillary. 12% who disliked both major party candidates. In 2018 if you take the 42% Hillary received, add the 12% of independents who voted against both major party candidates, you have the exact 54% of independents who voted Democratic in 2018. I think that interesting.

For Trump in 2020, the question is how will those 12% of independents who disliked both major party candidates, voted against both, didn't want neither one vote in 2020? I think we can get an idea by looking at the Generic presidential candidate vote. Question 56. Independents state they'll vote for the Democratic candidate over Trump 31-25 with 18% stating it depends. I take that to mean their vote depends on whom the Democrat's nominate.

Then go to Question 77, Trump running for reelection. 28% of Independents say he should, 49% say no with 23% not sure.

finally question 69, likability. Since usually a voter, independents, the non-affiliated usually don't vote for a candidate they dislike, you have 22% of independents say they like Trump. 45% say they dislike Trump along with 12% who neither like or dislike and 22% not sure.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/fs1r87zj1f/econTabReport.pdf

These numbers only give you an idea where things stand today, not in 2020. But not good numbers for Trump. I think they are saying Trump isn't going to win independents as he did in 2020. But these numbers are dynamic, they change constantly. I know that roughly on average 90% of Republicans and 90% of Democrats vote for their party's candidate. This is why I study independents. The Democrats have the larger base, they don't have to win independents, just keep their vote close. Republicans do, without winning independents they lose the election.

Although still very early, I'd say at this point in time, Trump is in trouble among the independent voter. Sure Trump won 46% of them in 2016, but 54% voted against him counting the 42% Hillary received along with the 12% who voted against both candidates. Time will tell, we'll know more come December or January of next year. The numbers will be more firmer.
 
As party leader and the person responsible for winning elections, isn't reading polls part of her job?

I don't recall, "I will faithfully check the polls before making any decisions" anywhere in the oath of office.
 
You guys are falling into Trump's trap. Impeachment helped Bill Clinton and it will help Trump too, just in time for the 2020 election. Funny how after a two year 35 million dollar investigation which basically turned up nothing on Trump Democrats are yammering about how this is the biggest cover-up ever, like Mueller's investigation was too incompetent to be able to get past the huge so called cover-up.

leftism rots your brain to the point that you can no longer think rationally.
 
You guys are falling into Trump's trap. Impeachment helped Bill Clinton and it will help Trump too, just in time for the 2020 election. Funny how after a two year 35 million dollar investigation which basically turned up nothing on Trump Democrats are yammering about how this is the biggest cover-up ever, like Mueller's investigation was too incompetent to be able to get past the huge so called cover-up.

Trump's trap? :lol:

I do not fear any trap laid out by Wile E Coyote.
 
You guys are falling into Trump's trap. Impeachment helped Bill Clinton and it will help Trump too, just in time for the 2020 election. Funny how after a two year 35 million dollar investigation which basically turned up nothing on Trump Democrats are yammering about how this is the biggest cover-up ever, like Mueller's investigation was too incompetent to be able to get past the huge so called cover-up.

Republicans took over the White House and both chambers of Congress in 2000.
 
Not sure Hillary was the worst candidate. I don't think anyone other than Hillary would've beaten Trump. Sanders wouldn't have beaten Trump in 2016 (I hope dems offer Sanders in the 2020 presidential race). Trump is a populist and that is just what the people want. Politicians who represent the wishes of the people...for once.


That’s not what populism means.
 
Reason? The first midterm is usually a referendum on the president. The nationwide vote in house races was 53.4% for Democratic congressional candidates vs. 44.8% for the Republicans. The senate had races in only 34 states vs. the 50 for the house. Although the GOP picked up two seats, the overall vote in those 34 states was Democratic senators 59.3% to the GOP senate candidates 39.1%,

I don't think the popular vote means much in the senate contests as you pointed out, it is who wins each state that counts. But the overall House vote which is nationwide I do think means a lot. Especially in looking at how independents voted. In 2016 Trump won the independent vote 46-42 over Hillary with 12% voting third party. In 2016 the Republican congressional candidates won independents 51-47. But in 2018, independents went Democratic 54-42.


Although still very early, I'd say at this point in time, Trump is in trouble among the independent voter. Sure Trump won 46% of them in 2016, but 54% voted against him counting the 42% Hillary received along with the 12% who voted against both candidates. Time will tell, we'll know more come December or January of next year. The numbers will be more firmer.

All the statistics in the world don't explain why anyone would vote FOR A democrat in a national election and regardless of opinions results matter as the American people will do what they always do, vote for their own best interest.

IMO you are putting way too much emphasis on voter turnout in the midterms and these district wide races were determined by the candidates with many running unopposed. To me it remains all about the Senate not radical left or right wing districts as those are statewide elections with national consequences.

I don't recall the 2010 elections being this much of an issue when 60 House seats turned over to Republicans! It really is hard to explain why the radical left is so bent on getting rid of Trump with the actual results being generated.

Politics are indeed funny but I have yet to find any President who has ever lost re-election with a 50+% approval rating on the economy thus if that approval rating continues all this hatred spewed by the radicals in various districts across the country are going to generate the same results a massive Democratic Loss. There has to be a reason to vote FOR someone and not just based upon voting AGAINST Someone else. Name for me any reason to vote FOR A Democrat and which of the following economic results are the Democrats going to make better for the American people?

1. GDP Growth 2013 to 2018

2013 16784.9
2014 17521.7 736.8
2015 18129.3 607.6
2016 18707.2 577.9
2017 19485.4 778.2
2018 20494.1 1008.7

2016 GDP growth 1.6% annual vs 2.9% 2018 with those terrible tax cuts, 3.2% January thru March 2019

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152 million January 2017 to 157 million today

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 7.3% today?

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.6 million today?

African American unemployment 7.7% vs. 6.7% today?

Remember those wonderful Obama years leaving Trump with a 1.6% GDP growth, declining GDP dollars and let's not forget adding 9.3 trillion to the debt with much of that gov't spending in those GDP numbers

Then let's not forget the gloom and doom predictions by the left and the April results
U.S. employers added 263,000 jobs in April again beating Wall Street's expectations and the 3,2% GDP Growth in the first qtr. Of 2019, likely quelling some fears about an impending economic slowdown.
 
It won't backfire. They'll have Trump out by next November and there will hardly even be a need for an election in 2020. Impeachment is, without a shadow of a doubt, the best things Democrats could do to help themselves. 99.7% of Americans HATE Trump and would vote for anybody other than him.

Unfortunately, 99.7% of the white nationalist deplorables still love Trump, and that's about 99 44/100ths of the current GOP, and they're a bit more of the population than that. And with Putin in his back pocket, and hacking our elections, it's dangerous to rely on rigged polls to oust a corrupt leader. Unfortunately, getting the GOPers in the Senate to vote against Trump is about like getting an all white jury in Alabama in 1960 to convict a Klukker for raping a black girl.
 
I don't recall, "I will faithfully check the polls before making any decisions" anywhere in the oath of office.

A political leader who doesn't keep her finger on the pulse of the voter is destined to soon become an ex leader.
 
Pelosi’s not stupid. She knows full well that a impeachment proceeding this close to the election could well backfire. She undoubtedly believes the best chance to rid the country of Trump is in 2020.
My thought is that the House should form an "Impeachment Exploratory Committee" that will collect evidence and report to the House whether impeachment is warranted. This avoids the criticism that the House is rushing to impeachment while also collecting evidence.
 
Trump's trap? :lol:

I do not fear any trap laid out by Wile E Coyote.

So said 16 other candidates who ran against him in the Republican primaries and crooked Hillary in the general.
 
Awesome, amazing how the radical left is so bent on destroying Trump instead of doing the work of the American people. How does getting rid of Trump benefit the American public? You radicals really don't give a damn about creating a constitutional crisis and using trumped up charges calling them "high crimes and misdemeanors" to overturn the election results in which you lost.

I have come to realize that you people truly aren't Americans who care about your country as you care more about your socialist ideology and having someone tell you what you want to hear. Destroying this country from within seems to be the goal of radicals like you.
Nixon said the same thing, 'let's not quibble about obstruction of justice and abuse of power, we have important work to do.'

The problem with that argument is there are serious issues, that you choose to ignore, regarding Trump's possible illegal activities regarding his finances, his taxes and whether any financial arrangements impinge upon decisions he may make in his official capacity. Yet, Trump gets in the way of Congress getting requested info. That's why an impeachment committee is needed -- to prevent further denial of information. The judge ruling on financial information said it bluntly: “It is simply not fathomable,” the judge wrote, “that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a President for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct — past or present — even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry.”

By frustrating Congress' ability to get information, he is furthering obstruction of justice and abuse of power.

That's the crux of the issue.
 
All the statistics in the world don't explain why anyone would vote FOR A democrat in a national election and regardless of opinions results matter as the American people will do what they always do, vote for their own best interest.

IMO you are putting way too much emphasis on voter turnout in the midterms and these district wide races were determined by the candidates with many running unopposed. To me it remains all about the Senate not radical left or right wing districts as those are statewide elections with national consequences.

I don't recall the 2010 elections being this much of an issue when 60 House seats turned over to Republicans! It really is hard to explain why the radical left is so bent on getting rid of Trump with the actual results being generated.

Politics are indeed funny but I have yet to find any President who has ever lost re-election with a 50+% approval rating on the economy thus if that approval rating continues all this hatred spewed by the radicals in various districts across the country are going to generate the same results a massive Democratic Loss. There has to be a reason to vote FOR someone and not just based upon voting AGAINST Someone else. Name for me any reason to vote FOR A Democrat and which of the following economic results are the Democrats going to make better for the American people?

1. GDP Growth 2013 to 2018

2013 16784.9
2014 17521.7 736.8
2015 18129.3 607.6
2016 18707.2 577.9
2017 19485.4 778.2
2018 20494.1 1008.7

2016 GDP growth 1.6% annual vs 2.9% 2018 with those terrible tax cuts, 3.2% January thru March 2019

Unemployment Rate 4.7% January 2017 vs. 3.6% today

Employed 152 million January 2017 to 157 million today

U-6 in January 2017 9.3% vs 7.3% today?

Part time for economic reasons, 5.7 million January 2017 vs. 4.6 million today?

African American unemployment 7.7% vs. 6.7% today?

Remember those wonderful Obama years leaving Trump with a 1.6% GDP growth, declining GDP dollars and let's not forget adding 9.3 trillion to the debt with much of that gov't spending in those GDP numbers

Then let's not forget the gloom and doom predictions by the left and the April results
U.S. employers added 263,000 jobs in April again beating Wall Street's expectations and the 3,2% GDP Growth in the first qtr. Of 2019, likely quelling some fears about an impending economic slowdown.

I agree with most of that, but there is a huge disconnect between the economy and Trump's overall job approval. RCP puts Trump's approval on the economy at 52.3%.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval - Economy

But Trump's overall job approval at 42.6%.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval

I've never seen that huge of a disparity. Usually if the economy is going good, a president's, any president job approval is at 50% or above. You can go back with any president when economic good times and find his overall job approval 50, 55 or even above 60%. When the economy sours, any president's overall job approval falls below 50%, sometimes into the 30%.

Presidential Job Approval Center

Reagan fell from a high of 67% overall job approval down to 35% when the economy didn't improve and had a horrible first midterm due to the bad economy. But over the next two years economy improved and Reagan shot up to 62% job approval and easily won reelection. One can say how folks viewed Ronnie was economic among other things. Trump has had a very good economy and has to yet reach 45% overall job approval. Something else is at work with Trump.

Obama had a 53% overall job approval in 2012 and won reelection.
G.W. Bush was at 55% he won reelection
Bill Clinton 58% he won reelection
G.H.W. Bush was at 40% over all job approval, he lost reelection
Reagan as I stated was at 62%
Carter was at 34% overall job approval and lost.
Ford at 45% job approval, lost.

And so on. Like with the economy you cited, one can relate that a president who's overall job approval is below 50% loses reelection, above 50% wins. With a 10 point difference between the economy and over all Job performance or approval, there's something else at work here. Something else comes into play.

I've always held it was his persona, his obnoxious personality, his unpresidential behavior. Trump is a very easy man to dislike because of that. I may be wrong, but I think it is Trump's character and behavior as president, his as seen by many independents, uncouth personality that has caused many independents to desert him. Not the economy or even Trump's stances on the issues and policy. But the man's persona. Time will tell.
 
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