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Democratic impeachment calls swell as McGahn defies subpoena

I don't recall either President Nixon or President Clinton being so attacked for their political bent.

I don't think corruption, self-serving agenda, conspiracy theories, lack of any ethics can be called a political bent.

Or maybe you mean pandering to authoritarian regimes and destroying relationships with former allies and other democracies of the world.

Both were equally guilty and worthy of impeachment for true charges. Note: President Nixon had the grace to leave office. President Clinton played the numbers and survived. Now. If President Trump is worthy of impeachment, bring forward the charges, or stop painting yourself into a corner of goofineess! Please, impeach or gird up for the next election! I defy the democratic party, or their funders to impeach!

Defy all you want. I am not DNC. If it were up to me, I'd have no problem obliging you.
 
I don't think corruption, self-serving agenda, conspiracy theories, lack of any ethics can be called a political bent.

Or maybe you mean pandering to authoritarian regimes and destroying relationships with former allies and other democracies of the world.



Defy all you want. I am not DNC. If it were up to me, I'd have no problem obliging you.

You might not. Fortunately for the Republic, the Democrats are too afraid to bring impeachment proceedings. The whole Russian conspiracy thing evaporated in front of their eyes. They hope to attract more support with their newest bunch of baloney which thinking Americans will soon recognize as childish behavior. Based on your reply, I will give you a pass on that.
Regards,
CP
 
One could view the current hearings as priming the pump for just that.

Yes, or then again, no. I defy and will welcome the day the Democrats feel they have enough smoke and mirror's to deceive their wanton Lemmings into the impeachment march. I will also welcome back the few Dem's who have the guts to return to reason.
Regards,
CP
 
Yes, or then again, no. I defy and will welcome the day the Democrats feel they have enough smoke and mirror's to deceive their wanton Lemmings into the impeachment march. I will also welcome back the few Dem's who have the guts to return to reason.
Regards,
CP

To be perfectly frank with you, my biggest concern isn't whether to impeach Trump or not... it isn't even the Russian attempt to influence the election. If we're the type of people who sit idly by while our democracy gets subverted by foreign governments, then we didn't deserve to be free in the first place. Too much blood has been split to buy us that freedom - and we've never allowed ourselves to forget that. When the chips are down - as they have been in the past- we've always found the way to stand up to the challenge. We'll do it again. We always do.

What concerns me is the culture that President Trump represents. Machiavelli tells us to judge a Prince by the people he surrounds himself with. So who does President Trump surround himself with? People like General Flynn - who was willing to sell out his country and violate it's laws for a few dollars. Or Paul Manafort - the same thing. I could go down the list.... but these are weak men of low moral character. People who are willing to jump at the chance to get "dirt" of their political rivals - even when that dirt is being offered from foreign governments. There were no compunctions about it. And what's more, they had no compunctions about lying to the FBI or to the Special Counsel in doing what they did.

George Papadopoulos is indicative. He was young, ambitious, and had no moral hang-ups about getting ahead and making a name for himself. The Russians saw this and they saw this unbound ambition as a weakness they could exploit in trying to recruit him. Under different circumstances, he might have ended up as a mid-level appointee in the Trump State Department. How vulnerable do you figure his activities would have made him to exploitation by Russian intelligence? And what assurances do we have that there weren't others in the same position?

Sally Yates has testified that her main concern with General Flynn is that his lying to the Vice President, the WH Press Secretary, and even the FBI made him possibly vulnerable to exploitation by the Russians. They knew the nature of the secret conversations he had with Ambassador Kislyak... and so they were also aware of the lies he told to cover them. She made those concerns known to the White House, and yet they did nothing to address them until the secret conversations were exposed by the Washington Post almost three weeks later. But what if they weren't exposed? What if the Russians then used them to lean on the General?

What about Jared Kushner? We know there seems to have been significant issues from his past that led the intelligence community to deny him his security clearance. What we don't know is the nature of those objections. Is he similarly vulnerable to exploitation by foreign intelligence agencies? And yet the President just overruled the objections out of hand and granted him the security clearance anyway.

If you're honest with yourself, then you know that President Trump likes to surround himself with weak individuals. People who will do his bidding without question. Anyone who doesn't fit that description doesn't last long within his orbit.

Human weakness is what spy recruitment depends on. And I think that is the biggest eye-opener of the whole Mueller Report. Just how fertile the ground was for the SVR and the GRU within the Trump campaign. It was a very target-rich environment. I submit that it's not what's reported within the Mueller Report that is the most troubling.... it's what hasn't been discovered yet.
 
To be perfectly frank with you, my biggest concern isn't whether to impeach Trump or not... it isn't even the Russian attempt to influence the election. If we're the type of people who sit idly by while our democracy gets subverted by foreign governments, then we didn't deserve to be free in the first place. Too much blood has been split to buy us that freedom - and we've never allowed ourselves to forget that. When the chips are down - as they have been in the past- we've always found the way to stand up to the challenge. We'll do it again. We always do.

What concerns me is the culture that President Trump represents. Machiavelli tells us to judge a Prince by the people he surrounds himself with. So who does President Trump surround himself with? People like General Flynn - who was willing to sell out his country and violate it's laws for a few dollars. Or Paul Manafort - the same thing. I could go down the list.... but these are weak men of low moral character. People who are willing to jump at the chance to get "dirt" of their political rivals - even when that dirt is being offered from foreign governments. There were no compunctions about it. And what's more, they had no compunctions about lying to the FBI or to the Special Counsel in doing what they did.

George Papadopoulos is indicative. He was young, ambitious, and had no moral hang-ups about getting ahead and making a name for himself. The Russians saw this and they saw this unbound ambition as a weakness they could exploit in trying to recruit him. Under different circumstances, he might have ended up as a mid-level appointee in the Trump State Department. How vulnerable do you figure his activities would have made him to exploitation by Russian intelligence? And what assurances do we have that there weren't others in the same position?

Sally Yates has testified that her main concern with General Flynn is that his lying to the Vice President, the WH Press Secretary, and even the FBI made him possibly vulnerable to exploitation by the Russians. They knew the nature of the secret conversations he had with Ambassador Kislyak... and so they were also aware of the lies he told to cover them. She made those concerns known to the White House, and yet they did nothing to address them until the secret conversations were exposed by the Washington Post almost three weeks later. But what if they weren't exposed? What if the Russians then used them to lean on the General?

What about Jared Kushner? We know there seems to have been significant issues from his past that led the intelligence community to deny him his security clearance. What we don't know is the nature of those objections. Is he similarly vulnerable to exploitation by foreign intelligence agencies? And yet the President just overruled the objections out of hand and granted him the security clearance anyway.

If you're honest with yourself, then you know that President Trump likes to surround himself with weak individuals. People who will do his bidding without question. Anyone who doesn't fit that description doesn't last long within his orbit.

Human weakness is what spy recruitment depends on. And I think that is the biggest eye-opener of the whole Mueller Report. Just how fertile the ground was for the SVR and the GRU within the Trump campaign. It was a very target-rich environment. I submit that it's not what's reported within the Mueller Report that is the most troubling.... it's what hasn't been discovered yet.

Wow! An individual who speaks frankly and presents a strong case. I applaud and respect your view! Thank you for omitting the trip wires for your opposition.
I must admit that the President has made some error's in his appointments, and I really do not like his nepotism bent. Further, I cringe when he comes across so vainglorious. That being said, I believe we have to look beyond his obvious failures to see what he has accomplished, maybe in spite of himself. I certainly see your concerns, but it is my belief that America is self haling. If the President turns off enough voters, he will be defeat in 2020. I must say, to this point, warts and all, I will vote to reelect him. Never in my life have I seen a President so capable in foreign policy. Of course, the economy speaks for itself.
I understand your view and hope you understand mine.
Regards,
CP
 
Wow! An individual who speaks frankly and presents a strong case. I applaud and respect your view! Thank you for omitting the trip wires for your opposition.
I must admit that the President has made some error's in his appointments, and I really do not like his nepotism bent. Further, I cringe when he comes across so vainglorious. That being said, I believe we have to look beyond his obvious failures to see what he has accomplished, maybe in spite of himself. I certainly see your concerns, but it is my belief that America is self haling. If the President turns off enough voters, he will be defeat in 2020. I must say, to this point, warts and all, I will vote to reelect him. Never in my life have I seen a President so capable in foreign policy. Of course, the economy speaks for itself.
I understand your view and hope you understand mine.
Regards,
CP

The way I figure it, there's not much point coming in here if all we're going to do is parrot the same lines the talking heads on Fox or MSNBC spout. Unless you can think for yourself and contribute something new to the conversation, then you're better off just staying out of it. If you're of the same mind-set then I look forward to chewing the fat with you hereabouts.

That being said, I don't give President Trump a whole lot of credit for the economy... I think spurring strong economic growth is just about the easiest thing possible. If I were President and I slashed income taxes by 80% and increased spending by the same amount, how much of an economic party do you think that'd spur? Let the good times roll.... true, there's be a heck of a hangover the next morning - but if you keep a party rolling long enough, that's someone else's problem, isn't it? I'll cite you two economic numbers from President Trump's FY2020 Budget.... Projected Real FY2019 Economic Growth: 3.1% of GDP; Projected FY2019 Budget Deficit: 5.1% of GDP. That's pretty much sums up the Trump Economy for me right there.

Ever wonder how you go bankrupt running a bunch of casinos? Hell, the odds are always in favor of the house - it's essentially a license to make money. Unless you spend so much trying to make them appear to be even more successful than they actually are. Then bankruptcy becomes the triumph of style over substance.

There you go... behold the Trump Economy. It speaks for itself. Literally. Because talk is all there is to it.
 
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The way I figure it, there's not much point coming in here if all we're going to do is parrot the same lines the talking heads on Fox or MSNBC spout. Unless you can think for yourself and contribute something new to the conversation, then you're better off just staying out of it. If you're of the same mind-set then I look forward to chewing the fat with you hereabouts.

That being said, I don't give President Trump a whole lot of credit for the economy... I think spurring strong economic growth is just about the easiest thing possible. If I were President and I slashed income taxes by 80% and increased spending by the same amount, how much of an economic party do you think that'd spur? Let the good times roll.... true, there's be a heck of a hangover the next morning - but if you keep a party rolling long enough, that's someone else's problem, isn't it? I'll cite you two economic numbers from President Trump's FY2020 Budget.... Projected Real FY2019 Economic Growth: 3.1% of GDP; Projected FY2019 Budget Deficit: 5.1% of GDP. That's pretty much sums up the Trump Economy for me right there.

Ever wonder how you go bankrupt running a bunch of casinos? Hell, the odds are always in favor of the house - it's essentially a license to make money. Unless you spend so much trying to make them appear to be even more successful than they actually are. Then bankruptcy becomes the triumph of style over substance.

There you go... behold the Trump Economy. It speaks for itself. Literally. Because talk is all there is to it.

It is somewhat disappointing that the kick in the pants delivered by President Trump has so many detractors. I give President Obama much due credit for rescuing us from the President Bush morass. He deserves that.

Beyond that, I believe the data will bear out that the economy was in the doldrums and needed tax relief and a tax incentive kick in the shorts. I believe President Trump has done that. Until someone better comes along, who actually speaks of what we can do for the country, and not what the country can do for us, he will have my vote.
Regards,
CP
 
It is somewhat disappointing that the kick in the pants delivered by President Trump has so many detractors. I give President Obama much due credit for rescuing us from the President Bush morass. He deserves that.

Beyond that, I believe the data will bear out that the economy was in the doldrums and needed tax relief and a tax incentive kick in the shorts. I believe President Trump has done that. Until someone better comes along, who actually speaks of what we can do for the country, and not what the country can do for us, he will have my vote.
Regards,
CP

I'm going to disagree with you on President Obama as well.... the framework for a lot of what eventually was done (TARP, QE) was put in place by the Bush Administration during his last months in office. I think President Obama came into office with momentum to do meaningful things on the economic front - he could have overhauled the Tax Code, for instance.... but instead he ended up squandering all of his political on an ill-timed and ill-constructed Affordable Care Act, getting his butt kicked in the 2010 mid-terms and then spent his last 6 years getting bullied around about the Republican Congress like some weak, pitiful giant getting tied down by the Lilliputians.

President Obama was a useless and feckless President.
President Trump is a useless and self-destructive President.

Over the past 50 years, IMO the only two Presidents we've had who have been worth a damn have been Reagan and Clinton.
 
I'm going to disagree with you on President Obama as well.... the framework for a lot of what eventually was done (TARP, QE) was put in place by the Bush Administration during his last months in office. I think President Obama came into office with momentum to do meaningful things on the economic front - he could have overhauled the Tax Code, for instance.... but instead he ended up squandering all of his political on an ill-timed and ill-constructed Affordable Care Act, getting his butt kicked in the 2010 mid-terms and then spent his last 6 years getting bullied around about the Republican Congress like some weak, pitiful giant getting tied down by the Lilliputians.

President Obama was a useless and feckless President.
President Trump is a useless and self-destructive President.

Over the past 50 years, IMO the only two Presidents we've had who have been worth a damn have been Reagan and Clinton.

I am not a Democrat, so when I give credit to President Obama, it is merely because the results were tangible(though the AFCA was a boondoggle). You can hand anyone a hammer and nails, but if they don't know how and where to use them, they are useless. I honesty believe that the Republican party ducked out of the elections(consider their candidates1) because they didn't want the blame for the failure that was teed up by President Bush.
That being said, my belief is that President Clinton hit the office on an upswing and didn't screw it up. President Reagan, however, was a trailblazer, and as much as it might sting, so is President Trump.
Regards,
CP
 
I am not a Democrat, so when I give credit to President Obama, it is merely because the results were tangible(though the AFCA was a boondoggle). You can hand anyone a hammer and nails, but if they don't know how and where to use them, they are useless. I honesty believe that the Republican party ducked out of the elections(consider their candidates1) because they didn't want the blame for the failure that was teed up by President Bush.
That being said, my belief is that President Clinton hit the office on an upswing and didn't screw it up. President Reagan, however, was a trailblazer, and as much as it might sting, so is President Trump.
Regards,
CP

The difference between Reagan and Trump is that Reagan blazed a trail upwards.... Trump is blazing one in the other direction.
 
The difference between Reagan and Trump is that Reagan blazed a trail upwards.... Trump is blazing one in the other direction.

We agree with much, but here we disagree. I respect your view and think 2020 is the litmus test. If you will recall, the Democrats were gnashing their teeth and pounding their chest when President Reagan was in office as well. He didn't have smooth sailing either, but now you and I both admire his accomplishments. Maybe, someday, we will look back at President Trump with fond memories and miss the good old days. Then again, maybe not. Time will tell. We will both have to wait.
Regards,
CP
 
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