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COVID-19 Lethality Not Much Different Than Flu, Says New Study

jamesbyoung said:
Those who minimalize the lethality of CV19 have sinister motives.
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Those are behind the 24/7 day after day, week after week, now month after month intense bio-terrorism campaign have profit motives.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
We're staying home to prevent the spread of a highly infectious and deadly virus. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
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"Ordered" to end any and all social contact of any kind,
ordered into unemployment and poverty,
ordered to lose everything you have,
ordered not to go check on your grandparents,
ordered to lock all children inside,
ordered all educational institutes closed,
ordered not to attend church,
ordered not to go to bars,
ordered not to date anyone,
ordered not to have sex unless already co-habitating with a sex partner,
ordered not to engage in any political activists,
ordered not to engage in any protest events,
ordered not to meet any candidates,
ordered not to attend any open door government activities,
ordered all courts closed - cancelling the right to a speedy trial,
ordered under house arrest...

and I could go on almost endlessly.

Just stay in your 500 square foot by the week efficiency apartment that used to be a motel - and get stoned and drunk watching 16 hours a day of bio-terrorism at you on TV.

Have you been sufficiently filled with terror and hate enough to comply with essentially everything that made your and your family's life pleasurable and keep you and your family from being in financial destitution - being outlawed by a unilateral executive degree enforced by that executive's Paetorian Guard (police)?
 
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apdst said:
Yeah, no you never questioned a ****ing thing.

Gubmint: "Stay home!"

Leftists: "Uh...ok!"
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Why am I not surprised you ignored my reply and then made up a straw man to beat?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
If this is true then why did 8,000+ die in New York in such a short time? I think it may have to do with "viral load" and how the virus operates when it detects its own densities, or attacks organs (like the lungs) over a certain density of viral load. It took New York WAYYYY too long to socially distance the numbers just kept piling in.
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Why are only 8,000 dead in NYC if this is soooooooooooo deadly? 19,000,000 people - nearly all who were riding in cramped elevators, packed subways, and in taxi cabs - none of which were even being wiped down? Why aren't there 19,000, 190,000 already?

Just 1 infected person riding an NYC subway from Time Square to the Bronx and then all those people infecting others would reach into the 10s of thousands if covid-19 is as OMG!!!!! lethal as everyone is terrorized 24/7 with now for most of 2 months continuously.
 
GDViking said:
Dear leader has mishandled, lied and cost thousands of life's.

To the cultists that is unacceptable,and they must deny reality...
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"Dear leader" and "cultists" both in the same short post. Come people we're better than this.
 
Top Cat said:
Since when do you listen to NPR?
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I do now. I don't like their radical Democrat slant or the cool-trendy stuff, but until cable news they aren't 30 second of news, 29.5 minutes of ranting about that 30 seconds, and 20 minutes of commercials.

NPR actually is reporting the real life suffering the shut down is causing people - something never heard on cable news.
 
Ikari said:
According to the John Hopkins Covid map, world wide it's 2,458,150 cases and 168,906 deaths. Which puts it at about 6.8%, or 68 times that of the flu. Some countries have done better than that, some worse. America, for instance, is at about 5.3%, so we're still clocking in at under the worldwide average.

But H1N1 was pretty bad in in a year's time it took (high end estimates) about 18K. The US is over 40K now in just a few months. So it goes to show how lethal Covid is. Without proper precautions, we could see really high numbers. For instance, Italy has just over 13% mortality. Had we seen that number, with the cases we have we'd of seen 101,353 deaths at this point. So I think that our precautions have been paying off, and we'll see where we end up, but if we take this seriously, then we can minimize the damage.
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No question.

You can't totally discount the reaction of those though, myself being one of them, that point out there are Constitutional issues around the First Amendment and the Commerce Clause some of the actions we've taken to this have brought up. Nor the notion that they should be looked at and considered, rationally, to do it better if this ever happens again.
 
prometeus said:
Unfortunately, Trump ass kissing degenerates are a real thing and seem to be everywhere.
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If that's true then Trump should win easily.
 
joko104 said:
Why are only 8,000 dead in NYC if this is soooooooooooo deadly? 19,000,000 people - nearly all who were riding in cramped elevators, packed subways, and in taxi cabs - none of which were even being wiped down? Why aren't there 19,000, 190,000 already?

Just 1 infected person riding an NYC subway from Time Square to the Bronx and then all those people infecting others would reach into the 10s of thousands if covid-19 is as OMG!!!!! lethal as everyone is terrorized 24/7 with now for most of 2 months continuously.
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The virus is the leading cause of death in the country.
 
GDViking said:
Because anyone who worships trump and does not see him for the failed con artist he is, is creepy...
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People who support the current president don't worship him. That's a childish & ridiculous thing to say ( or write ).

People who support the current president, don't see him as a "failed con artist," they see him as the president.

While I recognize that there are those like yourself who wish to denigrate, not only the president, but those who don't think he's a failed con artist or some other insult, it's politics as usual.

Some people like some presidents, others don't like some presidents.

That's "diversity," enjoy that diversity. As they say; "Our diversity is our strength."
 
Cardinal said:
Neat. I guess all those stories of hospitals across the globe being instantly overwhelmed are made up.
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A total non-sequitur. No surprise there.


Top Cat said:
Two problems with this.

This virus is far more virulent and contagious than traditional influenza. The long term damage it can cause to various organs is far more serious.
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True, but if the fatality rate is low, then a selective herd immunity strategy is viable- otherwise the economy will shatter.

Khayembii Communique said:
COVID-19 went from its first death in the US in February to being the leading cause of death in April, surpassing even heart disease and cancer.

Why are you so interested in minimizing that indisputable fact?
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Why do you hate science?

Ikari said:
Not sure about that. The flu is about 0.1%. Currently, according to the John Hopkins map, we have 766,664 active cases and 40,931 fatalities. Which comes out to about 5.3%, over 50 times that of the flu. With those deaths, we'd need 40,931,000 cases to have a 0.1% mortality rate. It isn't likely we've undercounted by that amount.
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It would make sense if the theory that the vast majority of the infected are asymptomatic, and it appears to be the case.

jamesbyoung said:
Those who minimalize the lethality of CV19 have sinister motives.
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Those who engage in blatant fearmongering are far worse.

digitusmedius said:
That somebody who uses a libertarian rag as a medical source needs help stat.
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As opposed to a TDS cultist who idolizes Dubya?
 
JasperL said:
Hopefully that's true, but when the epidemiologists estimate a death rate of about 1% or so, that assumes a large number of infected but not tested and asymptomatic individuals. What the new studies appear to show - we don't know much yet - is there are more who get infected without symptoms than current evidence has demonstrated/assumed.

But, yeah, testing has a big impact on the numbers, which is why the UK and Germany have roughly the same measured cases per million (1,838 versus 1,750), but the deaths per million in the UK are 243/million, but only 56/million for Germany, and it's because Germany tested at high rates from the jump, and the UK hasn't.
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The epidemiologists estimates are just that estimates, no one knows how many have been infected, or for that matter, the timing of the spread.
We only know when we saw the really bad cases start to show up.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
COVID-19 went from its first death in the US in February to being the leading cause of death in April, surpassing even heart disease and cancer.

Why are you so interested in minimizing that indisputable fact?
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Of course it would since those who die from heart disease and cancer are included as Covid-19 victims.
 
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