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COVID-19 Lethality Not Much Different Than Flu, Says New Study

ecofarm said:
"wearing a mask just doesn't really feel natural. You know what i mean? Not the same, really."



don't listen, ladies.
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lolol
 
ecofarm said:
Wearing a mask protects others, not much you.
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No it does not, n95 mask has a flapper valve which releases exhaled breath, or sneeze, not filtered, a hardware store dust mask can’t filter a sneeze either, and a bandanna tied around your face like a cowboy does not filter anything but bugs.
 
PoS said:
COVID-19 Lethality Not Much Different Than Flu, Says New Study – Reason.com



What do you think?
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It is a problem that people are confusing the actual infected rate with the tested confirmed rate.
In the US, about 1% of the population has been tested, and of those, they were already symptomatic before testing.
If we look at the USS Theodore Roosevelt we see a different picture.
Testing reveals most carrier sailors with coronavirus had no symptoms - Business Insider
~4800 people on board,
94% tested.
660 positive tests
350 plus, are asymptomatic
4 in the hospital
1 death.
So an infection rate of about 14%, of which more than half showed no symptoms.
In the US the numbers are
Coronavirus by State Map | Testing in the U.S. | Chart of New Cases
3,893,815 tests given
752,725 positive tests
35,957 deaths.
This represents 19.3% of test given were a positive results, but the tests are still limited to people who are showing signs.
It is quite possible that the actual morality rate of infected vs deaths could be lower, because the asymptomatic infected number could be higher.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
If this is true then why did 8,000+ die in New York in such a short time? I think it may have to do with "viral load" and how the virus operates when it detects its own densities, or attacks organs (like the lungs) over a certain density of viral load. It took New York WAYYYY too long to socially distance the numbers just kept piling in.
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Cause librals. Duh
 
dirtpoorchris said:
If this is true then why did 8,000+ die in New York in such a short time? I think it may have to do with "viral load" and how the virus operates when it detects its own densities, or attacks organs (like the lungs) over a certain density of viral load. It took New York WAYYYY too long to socially distance the numbers just kept piling in.
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They never shut down the subway, and most city people are already Unhealthy. They are also adding untested for China flu deaths to jack up the numbers.
 
PoS said:
COVID-19 Lethality Not Much Different Than Flu, Says New Study – Reason.com



What do you think?
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I think that in first world nations, with first world medicine, COVID-19 that has a death rate has measured between 3%-6% and that is more than triple that of the flu. Given, testing issues makes those number less than dependable.

I think that COVID-19 produces, in people susceptible to it, a response in the lungs called a "cytokine storm" [look it up] that induces ARDS [again, look it up]. While you can see this in other diseases we see it far more in COVID-19 than in those other illnesses. That make COVID-19 unique, problematic, and more deadly than the flu.
 
Why are trumpettes so keen on making the coronavirus just like the flu?
 
Mongidig said:
The op presented findings from a study and then asked "What do you think?". Immediately the over reactors jump in and assume things that simply don't exist.
An
Born angry people! Just read and respond to the questions as presented.
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The ???s must be fair, the stats in context. This virus has killed more than 40,000 of us in less than eight weeks.

Anyone downplaying covid19 must be suspect of other intentions.
 
Mongidig said:
The only "cultist" around here are the people who constantly use the word "cultist". It's very creepy!
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Yeah, sure, cultist. We never expect you people to be happy when you're exposed and projection like that is expected. Just so you know that the charge is accurate I'll repost the checklist below and you people check every item on it:
• Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

• No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

• No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget or expenses, such as an independently audited financial statement.

• Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

• There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

• Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.

• There are records, books, news articles, or broadcast reports that document the abuses of the group/leader.

• The group/leader is always right.

• The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
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ModernDiogenes said:
I think that in first world nations, with first world medicine, COVID-19 that has a death rate has measured between 3%-6% and that is more than triple that of the flu. Given, testing issues makes those number less than dependable.

I think that COVID-19 produces, in people susceptible to it, a response in the lungs called a "cytokine storm" [look it up] that induces ARDS [again, look it up]. While you can see this in other diseases we see it far more in COVID-19 than in those other illnesses. That make COVID-19 unique, problematic, and more deadly than the flu.
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Keep in mind that the measuring error in mortality is a systematic error, due to insufficient testing, and mostly testing of pre selected groups.
The nature of such an error is that the mortality rate will decrease as we test more.
The reason is that the asymptotic people will also get tested and push up the infected rate relative to the deaths.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
I think that in first world nations, with first world medicine, COVID-19 that has a death rate has measured between 3%-6% and that is more than triple that of the flu. Given, testing issues makes those number less than dependable.

I think that COVID-19 produces, in people susceptible to it, a response in the lungs called a "cytokine storm" [look it up] that induces ARDS [again, look it up]. While you can see this in other diseases we see it far more in COVID-19 than in those other illnesses. That make COVID-19 unique, problematic, and more deadly than the flu.
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According to the John Hopkins Covid map, world wide it's 2,458,150 cases and 168,906 deaths. Which puts it at about 6.8%, or 68 times that of the flu. Some countries have done better than that, some worse. America, for instance, is at about 5.3%, so we're still clocking in at under the worldwide average.

But H1N1 was pretty bad in in a year's time it took (high end estimates) about 18K. The US is over 40K now in just a few months. So it goes to show how lethal Covid is. Without proper precautions, we could see really high numbers. For instance, Italy has just over 13% mortality. Had we seen that number, with the cases we have we'd of seen 101,353 deaths at this point. So I think that our precautions have been paying off, and we'll see where we end up, but if we take this seriously, then we can minimize the damage.
 
digitusmedius said:
Yeah, right. And you people still think you're not a Cult. :lamo
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And you people think you're smarter than everybody else. The government told you stay home and you couldn't wait to obey. :lamo

If they told you to get on a train "for your own good", would you do it, no questions asked?
 

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Ikari said:
According to the John Hopkins Covid map, world wide it's 2,458,150 cases and 168,906 deaths. Which puts it at about 6.8%, or 68 times that of the flu. Some countries have done better than that, some worse. America, for instance, is at about 5.3%, so we're still clocking in at under the worldwide average.

But H1N1 was pretty bad in in a year's time it took (high end estimates) about 18K. The US is over 40K now in just a few months. So it goes to show how lethal Covid is. Without proper precautions, we could see really high numbers. For instance, Italy has just over 13% mortality. Had we seen that number, with the cases we have we'd of seen 101,353 deaths at this point. So I think that our precautions have been paying off, and we'll see where we end up, but if we take this seriously, then we can minimize the damage.
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CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in the U.S. - STAT

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

ASSOCIATED PRESS SEPTEMBER 26, 2018

Never made the news. Wonder why?
 
digitusmedius said:
Yeah, right. The ****umentary masquerading as truth that is the OP of this thread and which I'm sure you agree with is so clearly cult-driven that it's laughable.
It opens with the hackneyed rightwing religious cult heavy-handed apocalyptic garbage. And you people still think you're not a Cult. :lamo
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I never made a statement of affirmation regarding the OP.
 
Ikari said:
According to the John Hopkins Covid map, world wide it's 2,458,150 cases and 168,906 deaths. Which puts it at about 6.8%, or 68 times that of the flu. Some countries have done better than that, some worse. America, for instance, is at about 5.3%, so we're still clocking in at under the worldwide average.

But H1N1 was pretty bad in in a year's time it took (high end estimates) about 18K. The US is over 40K now in just a few months. So it goes to show how lethal Covid is. Without proper precautions, we could see really high numbers. For instance, Italy has just over 13% mortality. Had we seen that number, with the cases we have we'd of seen 101,353 deaths at this point. So I think that our precautions have been paying off, and we'll see where we end up, but if we take this seriously, then we can minimize the damage.
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The infection number is NOT the number of positive test, unless you test 100% of the population.
With only 1% of the population tested, the positive test rate is a number, but not a number related to the mortality of this virus.
 
Ikari said:
According to the John Hopkins Covid map, world wide it's 2,458,150 cases and 168,906 deaths. Which puts it at about 6.8%, or 68 times that of the flu. Some countries have done better than that, some worse. America, for instance, is at about 5.3%, so we're still clocking in at under the worldwide average.

But H1N1 was pretty bad in in a year's time it took (high end estimates) about 18K. The US is over 40K now in just a few months. So it goes to show how lethal Covid is. Without proper precautions, we could see really high numbers. For instance, Italy has just over 13% mortality. Had we seen that number, with the cases we have we'd of seen 101,353 deaths at this point. So I think that our precautions have been paying off, and we'll see where we end up, but if we take this seriously, then we can minimize the damage.
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Last year's flu death total was 34,000. It took Covid-19 just six weeks to blow past that number.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
If this is true then why did 8,000+ die in New York in such a short time? I think it may have to do with "viral load" and how the virus operates when it detects its own densities, or attacks organs (like the lungs) over a certain density of viral load. It took New York WAYYYY too long to socially distance the numbers just kept piling in.
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You have packed subways, packed streets, packed elevators etc. in places like NY. This is an extremely contagious virus so it makes sense that NY got hit hard. I'm curious if you were to take the NY stats out what the numbers would look like. In places were people aren't on top of each other it's not gonna spread as quickly and will eventually not be able to find a host. I think many states are going to be able to open up but I think places like New York and Chicago are in trouble.
 
digitusmedius said:
Last years flu death total was in the mid 30 thousands. Covid-19 has blown past that in just a month.
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Nope, it’s been at least 4 months, and they are adding untested deaths because it’s possible they had the China flu, so the numbers are bogus.

Then there is this:

ASSOCIATED PRESS SEPTEMBER 26, 2018

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in the U.S. - STAT

CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years, never made the news, wonder why?
 
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