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Coronavirus' spread in GOP territory

countryboy said:
Sooo, after Dem policies killed countless thousands, you're now on track to containment? Better late than never I guess. We'll see, I hope it's true.
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Is Florida a democratic state? How about Texas? It's easy to ignore reality when all you can think about is politics.
 
snakestretcher said:
So much winning, right? I believe America has the world's highest rates of Covid-19 infection. At least you can claim to be numero uno in one area.
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The death rate is what matters, and the UK, Spain, and Italy have us beat by almost double. The reason our infection rate is high, is due to all the testing we're doing.
 
snakestretcher said:
Is Florida a democratic state? How about Texas? It's easy to ignore reality when all you can think about is politics.
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The only one ignoring reality is you. Florida and Texas don't have as many deaths, combined, than the number dead in nursing homes in New York alone.
 
countryboy said:
The only one ignoring reality is you. Florida and Texas don't have as many deaths, combined, than the number dead in nursing homes in New York alone.
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Oh dear. Remind me, which states which decided to reopen prematurely have the highest resurgence of the virus?
 
countryboy said:
The death rate is what matters, and the UK, Spain, and Italy have us beat by almost double. The reason our infection rate is high, is due to all the testing we're doing.
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The U.S. has a much higher population than any of those countries, so its total tests should be higher. What matters is tests / person, and the UK and Spain both beat us in that measure.
 
The red/blue nonsense, as far as the spread of the SARS-Cov-2 virus in the US is concerned, is just that; nonsense. The progress of the disease is determined by the points of initial introduction and the likelihood of person-to-person transmission. Given the fact that not all areas of the US are equally exposed to introduction from outside the US [Bucktail, Nebraska does not have an airport with daily international flights,] nor a highly mobile population, the spread is, in general, predictable.

And that's the rest of the story. [A tip o' the hat to the late Mr. Paul Harvey.]

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countryboy said:
The death rate is what matters, and the UK, Spain, and Italy have us beat by almost double. The reason our infection rate is high, is due to all the testing we're doing.
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Death rates follow infection rates. High infection rates now means high death rates in 2 to 3 weeks and beyond.

Spain and Italy at the moment have low death rates per day...some days with no deaths. My area has only 1 person in ICU.

The US also has a relatively low death rate at the moment, but that is because the rate has fallen massively in New York and New Jersey as they have gotten the situation under control. Soon deaths will increase massively in Texas, Florida and so on.

The only positive is that we now know how to treat patients better than at the beginning, which should lower the death rate somewhat. Regardless it will go up... In a couple of weeks.

Of course this also requires the red states to actually be truthful about cause of death, which is doubtful.



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countryboy said:
The death rate is what matters, and the UK, Spain, and Italy have us beat by almost double. The reason our infection rate is high, is due to all the testing we're doing.
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You are just parroting your Fearless Leader.

Public health specialists have repeatedly said the data does not indicate that increased testing accounts for the recent surge in daily new cases.

20 states currently have a positivity rate above 5%, according to John Hopkins University data, and that includes Arizona, which reports that 21.15% of all tests are coming back positive.

Moreover, we aren't doing more tests than other countries, as a p% of the population. We are actually doing fewer.
 
snakestretcher said:
Oh dear. Remind me, which states which decided to reopen prematurely have the highest resurgence of the virus?
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That's the point, isn't it? Opened economy, still 2,000% less deaths than New York and New Jersey. When "the highest resurgence" results in 2,000% more death (which of course you're hoping it does), get back to me.
 
AJG said:
The U.S. has a much higher population than any of those countries, so its total tests should be higher. What matters is tests / person, and the UK and Spain both beat us in that measure.
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The death rate in the UK and Spain is almost double that of the United States.
 
PeteEU said:
Death rates follow infection rates. High infection rates now means high death rates in 2 to 3 weeks and beyond.

Spain and Italy at the moment have low death rates per day...some days with no deaths. My area has only 1 person in ICU.

The US also has a relatively low death rate at the moment, but that is because the rate has fallen massively in New York and New Jersey as they have gotten the situation under control. Soon deaths will increase massively in Texas, Florida and so on.

The only positive is that we now know how to treat patients better than at the beginning, which should lower the death rate somewhat. Regardless it will go up... In a couple of weeks.

Of course this also requires the red states to actually be truthful about cause of death, which is doubtful.



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I realize that's what libs are praying to Satan for, but I guess we'll see. Still doesn't change the fact that your death rate is twice that of ours.
 
MTAtech said:
You are just parroting your Fearless Leader.

Public health specialists have repeatedly said the data does not indicate that increased testing accounts for the recent surge in daily new cases.

20 states currently have a positivity rate above 5%, according to John Hopkins University data, and that includes Arizona, which reports that 21.15% of all tests are coming back positive.

Moreover, we aren't doing more tests than other countries, as a p% of the population. We are actually doing fewer.
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I'm not parroting anyone, it's common sense. The death rate is really all that matters.
 
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Wayne Jr said:
Covid-19 is not a crisis. It never was.
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Never let a crisis go to waste turned into never let a crisis go away.

We flattened the curve. Hospitals have supplies, have capacity. We have two hospital ships and the National Guard has a proven track record of building a hospital in a matter of days should an area become overwhelmed. Wash your hands, don't touch your face stay home if you are sick. If you are afraid shelter in place.

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countryboy said:
I realize that's what libs are praying to Satan for, but I guess we'll see. Still doesn't change the fact that your death rate is twice that of ours.
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Nope it does not change that.. but the crisis is not over and we started way earlier than you did. Its like having a game of American Football, where one team declares victory after the first quarter...
 
PeteEU said:
Nope it does not change that.. but the crisis is not over and we started way earlier than you did. Its like having a game of American Football, where one team declares victory after the first quarter...
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Nobody is declaring victory, but some are actually hoping for the worst. ;) You started about a month before us, but we are MONTHS into it, that doesn't account for you having double our death rate. All it means is we have actually done better than you. Socialized medicine sucks.
 
countryboy said:
Nobody is declaring victory, but some are actually hoping for the worst. ;) You started about a month before us, but we are MONTHS into it, that doesn't account for you having double our death rate. All it means is we have actually done better than you. Socialized medicine sucks.
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Hoping for the worst? Hardly. But we know how this disease progresses because unlike Americans, we try to learn from other countries.

Lets look at death rates in 3 months time..
 
PeteEU said:
Hoping for the worst? Hardly. But we know how this disease progresses because unlike Americans, we try to learn from other countries.

Lets look at death rates in 3 months time..
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Hi Pete! Many Americans are open to learning from successes abroad. They're called Democrats.

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We are the only developed nation that politicized the virus. And we're paying the price.
 
JacksinPA said:
Coronavirus''' spread in GOP territory, explained in 6 charts

Coronavirus first spread in the United States as a mostly coastal and big-city scourge, sparing many rural areas, small towns and even small cities. Translated into U.S. political geography: The virus hit Democratic areas first.

No more. An Associated Press analysis of coronavirus case data shows the virus has moved — and is spreading quickly — into Republican areas, a new path with broad potential political ramifications.

States that President Donald Trump won in the 2016 election account for about 75% of the new cases, a trend that has accelerated since the end of May. Counties that voted for Trump in 2016 have seen cases and deaths rising — now seeing an impact nearly even with counties that voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

The virus’s spread into red America could scramble partisan divisions over the disease. In the first phase, the virus was an undeniable reality for many Democrats, and it largely fell to Democratic governors and mayors to issue the strictest stay-at-home orders that helped slow the economy to a crawl.

Trump’s base, meanwhile, wasn’t so directly affected. His supporters have been less likely to support preventive measures, more likely to believe dangers were exaggerated and less likely to worry about friends or family contracting the virus. Some Republican governors followed the president’s lead, taking longer to issue stay-at-home orders, making the orders less strict when they did, and then more eagerly relaxing the limits on business operations in late April and May.

Already the latest surge is forcing some GOP governors to reverse course. It remains unclear whether it will also force GOP voters to reassess their opinion on the virus and their leaders’ handling of the crisis.

New York’s Democratic governor, Andrew Cuomo, last week pulled no punches in seeking some vindication for himself and other Democrats who battled the virus first and faced skepticism from Trump and other Republicans.

“You played politics with this virus, and you lost,” he said on CNN, indirectly addressing Republicans who downplayed the virus. “You told the people of this state, you told the people of this country, the White House: ‘Don’t worry about it. Go about your business. This is all Democratic hyperbole.’”

“It was never politics,” Cuomo said. “It was always science.”
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We're not going to beat COVID-19 as long as we continue to treat this as a political argument rather than a national public health crisis.
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The virus is flying off the charts in the biggest blue state of them all.
 
PeteEU said:
Hoping for the worst? Hardly. But we know how this disease progresses because unlike Americans, we try to learn from other countries.

Lets look at death rates in 3 months time..
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Why wait three months? Your death rates are abysmal right now.
 
Tlrmln said:
California hit 8000 cases per day two days ago. The only reason it doesn't look as dramatic is that we never level off like TX and FL did.
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Raw numbers are no basis for comparison. California is huge. In order to compare with other states, which is what this thread is all about, you have to account for population differences.

The source I referenced shows a 7-day rolling average of daily new reported cases per 100,000 residents for each state. California is at 15. The highest states are Arizona (43) and Florida (34), followed by South Carolina, Nevada, Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas and Alabama.

California is going up as it spreads to the rural areas of the state (most growth is in the Central Valley). The same thing is happening to my state of Washington, where the most growth is east of the mountains, home of freedom-loving conservatives.
 
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