Childlike Sex Dolls

[RAMOSS]

I've noticed. It makes it so easy to destroy his/her arguments.

There is a category of people that do not acknowledge when their arguments are destroyed. It is known as the 'invulnerably stupid'.

 

[Henrin]

You certainly imply them heavily enough.

How? Where did I imply that I want to chemically castrate them? Why would you even think I would support that kind of stuff when you damn well know my position on other topics like the transgender treatment?

 

[chromium]

There is nothing ok about adults being sexually attracted to children. Anyone who has sexual fantasies about children should be subjected to scorn and derision, not accommodation. We need to make it so that people are afraid to even entertain those thoughts. Providing child like dolls to practice on legitimizes perverse desires to a degree. Some appetites should not ever be fed.

You don't see a diff between feeding their fantasies and just tolerating them? Because your post starts with what seems like a desire to hunt down anyone who has these thoughts and then drifts into what sounds like going after 'enablers'

There hasn't been a lot of research on pedophilia. We don't know what causes it. What i do know is your post sounds a lot like the scorn that used to be (and still is by some) heaped onto homosexuality.

Yes, i know, kids should never be hurt. But the subject is about *thoughts* and fake dolls. Maybe it's just that as someone who has heard the same disgust about my own desires, i can at least entertain the possibility they similarly can't control their urges. Then when i do see some limited data on suicide rates and pedophiles who have themselves castrated, i wonder if such scorn that they're even afraid to talk a therapist is justified

Let me ask, what if it were proven that these dolls actually led to fewer real kids getting abused? I think we should try to set aside our disgust then

 

[X Factor]

For those with actual pedophilia, this is not a choice to be attracted, anymore than a kleptomaniac chooses to have the urges to steal. Many who have wanted to reach out for help having not yet hurt a child and not wanting to, do not precisely because of the attitude you are displaying. In essence, it is you who are furthering endangering children, by forcing them into hiding, insteading of getting the help they need to not hurt children.

Nope, totally do not buy that. If you act like it's kinda, sorta ok to have those perverse desires, then it's more likely that they'll feel it's not such a big deal to act on them. I really don't care how pedos feel or why. There should be great fear in ever being discovered.

 

[Henrin]

Nope, totally do not buy that. If you act like it's kinda, sorta ok to have those perverse desires, then it's more likely that they'll feel it's not such a big deal to act on them. I really don't care how pedos feel. There should be great fear in ever being discovered.

So you want to be ignorant that they might be around your kid? Yeah sorry, but I want to know if someone like this is near my daughter. That is in fact something I want to avoid at all costs humanly possible. Knowledge is power; ignorant is bliss. Always promote knowledge over ignorance.

 

[chromium]

The idea there is to make them essentially exactly the same thing physically, so with the physical stuff perfected the idea is that people will prefer it to avoid the other issues that go along with human relations. I doubt it will go the way they think either.

It seems to kind of be going that way in Japan, although combined with other reasons. They seem to be losing interest in sex altogether. Although it's different, here we're losing interest in going out and socializing due to smartphones and such. Technology has been proven to change behavior

 

[Henrin]

It seems to kind of be going that way in Japan, although combined with other reasons. They seem to be losing interest in sex altogether. Although it's different, here we're losing interest in going out and socializing due to smartphones and such. Technology has been proven to change behavior

Here men are losing interest in relationships, while in Japan they are losing interest in sex. Though there is evidence to suggest that men all over the western world are losing interest in sex to a certain degree.

 

[chromium]

Nope, totally do not buy that. If you act like it's kinda, sorta ok to have those perverse desires, then it's more likely that they'll feel it's not such a big deal to act on them. I really don't care how pedos feel or why. There should be great fear in ever being discovered.

If we don't try to understand a problem, we shouldn't have say in how it's dealt with. You drive it underground, maybe they DO act on their desires more. But you would never know, because you don't want to hear it.

If it's found that these urges cannot be done away with, i don't see why the stigma can't be done away with, while at the same time insisting they don't harm kids. There are probably solutions to be had, get them a support group, and keep them away from kids. But that only works if they're not driven underground

 

[X Factor]

You don't see a diff between feeding their fantasies and just tolerating them?

That's not a desire that should ever be tolerated or normalized.

Because your post starts with what seems like a desire to hunt down anyone who has these thoughts and then drifts into what sounds like going after 'enablers'

There hasn't been a lot of research on pedophilia. We don't know what causes it. What i do know is your post sounds a lot like the scorn that used to be (and still is by some) heaped onto homosexuality.

If I'm to be judged for being unsympathetic to pedos, I'm ok with that. This is interesting, though. I cannot help but notice that when the subject of pedophilia is brought up in the context of homosexuality, it's often treated like it's the most offensive thing ever and here you are actually suggesting the two things are comparable. I've always assumed that gay people had the very same reasons to regard pedos with disgust as I do. Is that not the case?

Yes, i know, kids should never be hurt.

That comes across to me as pretty dismissive.

But the subject is about *thoughts* and fake dolls. Maybe it's just that as someone who has heard the same disgust about my own desires, i can at least entertain the possibility they similarly can't control their urges.

Oh, I actually have no doubt that it is, in effect, their sexual orientation, just the same a heterosexuality and homosexuality are for others. So what? Some people are born psychopaths who like to cause pain. Doesn't mean we have to tolerate harmful desires.

Then when i do see some limited data on suicide rates and pedophiles who have themselves castrated, i wonder if such scorn that they're even afraid to talk a therapist is justified

Let me ask, what if it were proven that these dolls actually led to fewer real kids getting abused?

What if it does the opposite? What if physically acting it out only makes their desire for the real thing stronger.

I think we should try to set aside our disgust then

Chrom, when did these become "our" disgust? Obviously I've been clear in my own disgust and pretty much open hostility, but outside that, I've seen it described in this thread as mere "distaste", as if this is not much different than choosing Bing over Google.

 

[chromium]

If I'm to be judged for being unsympathetic to pedos, I'm ok with that. This is interesting, though. I cannot help but notice that when the subject of pedophilia is brought up in the context of homosexuality, it's often treated like it's the most offensive thing ever and here you are actually suggesting the two things are comparable. I've always assumed that gay people had the very same reasons to regard pedos with disgust as I do. Is that not the case?

You're right, it's a thin line. I just see it as necessary to condemn pedophiliac *behavior* (and child abuse in general) though. What we reject then is comparing homosexual and pedophiliac behavior. The urges and how people react to them are a different subject, although yes, there's a very high correlation between urges and behavior

Don't get me wrong, it disgusts me too. I don't understand how a grown man can look at a 10 year old and get turned on and talk of love. I would definitely call that a disorder. But i have to be fair, i have heard the same said many times about same sex urges. I have to concede that maybe their brains are wired that way and no amount of scorn can change that

Oh, I actually have no doubt that it is, in effect, their sexual orientation, just the same a heterosexuality and homosexuality are for others. So what? Some people are born psychopaths who like to cause pain. Doesn't mean we have to tolerate harmful desires.

Ok, that's a good analogy. In fact, psychopaths tend to start harming small animals by grade school and even if not, lashing out. They're pretty easily identifiable. So what should be done, lock them in a padded cell? We tend to reject the idea of "thought crimes" but there's not necessarily a limit to intolerance. So what would you have done with a known pedophile, or psychopath, who hasn't acted on their urges?

I would keep them away from kids (and in the psychopath's case, weapons), but that's about it i think. I don't see it as useful to scorn them. I'm sure many of them hate themselves enough as is, judging from the suicide rate

What if it does the opposite? What if physically acting it out only makes their desire for the real thing stronger.

Then i think that's a good argument to ban the dolls, but unless we're open minded about different possibilities, different treatment options, we're unlikely to know the best approach to protect kids from abuse

And like it or not, given how under-reported child abuse is, that requires listening to what the pedophiles have to say about what helps and what doesn't. I'm doubtful that many would list scorn and ostracism as helpful

 

[maquiscat]

Nope, totally do not buy that. If you act like it's kinda, sorta ok to have those perverse desires, then it's more likely that they'll feel it's not such a big deal to act on them. I really don't care how pedos feel or why. There should be great fear in ever being discovered.

What you buy is irrelavant. Having these urges do not, in and of themselves, make them monsters. Acting on those urges is what make one a monster, and this only covers the actual pedophiles. Remember not all who sexually assault children do so because they have an attraction to them. Hence why pedophilia is not a crime. Nor is kleptomania. Some people steal because of the disorder, and make no mistake, pedophilia is indeed a disorder. Others steal for reasons outside of having urges from a disorder. A person should never have to fear being discovered that they have any disorder, so that they can get treatment and not be controlled by it. That is how you prevent others from being hurt by them.

Maybe it was you I was thinking of more than Henrin, when I made that one observation and his comments were just too close to yours to make me think the thoughts were his. In which case Henrin, you have my apologies.

 

[RAMOSS]

What you buy is irrelavant. Having these urges do not, in and of themselves, make them monsters. Acting on those urges is what make one a monster, and this only covers the actual pedophiles. Remember not all who sexually assault children do so because they have an attraction to them. Hence why pedophilia is not a crime. Nor is kleptomania. Some people steal because of the disorder, and make no mistake, pedophilia is indeed a disorder. Others steal for reasons outside of having urges from a disorder. A person should never have to fear being discovered that they have any disorder, so that they can get treatment and not be controlled by it. That is how you prevent others from being hurt by them.

Maybe it was you I was thinking of more than Henrin, when I made that one observation and his comments were just too close to yours to make me think the thoughts were his. In which case Henrin, you have my apologies.

What gets me is that there are a number of states that do not have a minimal age one can get married with parental permission. Some of the ones that actually defined a minimal age that with parental permission you can get married it's pretty darn low, much too low in my opinion. (I mean a 13 year old girl can get married in NH???)

 

[maquiscat]

What gets me is that there are a number of states that do not have a minimal age one can get married with parental permission. Some of the ones that actually defined a minimal age that with parental permission you can get married it's pretty darn low, much too low in my opinion. (I mean a 13 year old girl can get married in NH???)

Heading off on a different tangent here, aren't you? But in that light, how old is the law? Did it stem from a time where adulthood was considered achieved by that age?

 

[RAMOSS]

Heading off on a different tangent here, aren't you? But in that light, how old is the law? Did it stem from a time where adulthood was considered achieved by that age?

I am sure it's quite old. Many states have standardize it, but there are cases n the U.S. where 12 year olds are getting married to much older men. https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ates-still-let-12-year-old-girls-get-married/

 

[chromium]

I am sure it's quite old. Many states have standardize it, but there are cases n the U.S. where 12 year olds are getting married to much older men. https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ates-still-let-12-year-old-girls-get-married/

wtf...it says they need parental approval. What kind of sick demented parent lets their 12 year old marry, let alone to a grownup

 

[calamity]

wtf...it says they need parental approval. What kind of sick demented parent lets their 12 year old marry, let alone to a grownup

Probably some whack from another country...I'm thinking someone of certain religious persuasions might do that too.

Yeah...just as I thought.

state lawmakers have resisted passing legislation to end child marriage — because they wrongly fear that such measures might unlawfully stifle religious freedom or because they cling to the notion that marriage is the best solution for a teen pregnancy.

 

[RAMOSS]

wtf...it says they need parental approval. What kind of sick demented parent lets their 12 year old marry, let alone to a grownup

THere are a lot of screwed up people out there. I know things out there that are much much worse. I know someone who confided in me things that would blow your mind away (they were a victim) , that I actually got independent confirmation of that they were telling the truth (which was highly disturbing). BUt, yes, wtf fits very well.

 

[chromium]

Probably some whack from another country...I'm thinking someone of certain religious persuasions might do that too.

Yeah...just as I thought.

i wonder how the "religious freedom" crowd who hates pedophiles would respond to that one

 

[calamity]

i wonder how the "religious freedom" crowd who hates pedophiles would respond to that one

I bet they only think of "pedophiles" when it comes to same sex situations. $10.

I swear someone in this forum once defended this child wives thing because it led to procreation. I have no idea who it was though.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I have one for sale.

 

[Ovid]

All sex dolls should be illegal, whether childlike or not, this would solve the problem, as they're a deviation and aberration of the state of man and woman, just a reduction of man and woman to another capitalist commodity to be sold and consumed, a form of degenerate "art".

 

[calamity]

All sex dolls should be illegal, whether childlike or not, this would solve the problem, as they're a deviation and aberration of the state of man and woman, just a reduction of man and woman to another capitalist commodity to be sold and consumed, a form of degenerate "art".

Jut wait until robots get to be Westworld like.

 

[PTF]

I know I'll get a few responses but...
let these people have the dolls if it keeps them away from the playgrounds and schools.
I rather see them have it instead of a innocent child or a teen boy or girl.

 

[Lursa]

Apologies, I didnt read the entire thread.

Where is the data/psychiatric opinion that says using these dolls would reduce pedophiles urges OR actual predation on kids?

Is there any?

Isnt it possible it would keep the urges stoked and encourage more of the behavior? Proliferate the fantasies?

 

[HowardBThiname]

Apologies, I didnt read the entire thread.

Where is the data/psychiatric opinion that says using these dolls would reduce pedophiles urges OR actual predation on kids?

Is there any?

Isnt it possible it would keep the urges stoked and encourage more of the behavior? Proliferate the fantasies?

I went looking to see what the dolls looked like -- and I wish I hadn't. I find the images very disturbing.

That said, I don't know whether giving them to pedophiles would encourage more of their warped behavior, or provide an outlet that kept them from real children.

I think it's very difficult to overcome the fact that it's just plain wrong to want to have sex with a child, and I tend to come down on the side that these dolls are so lifelike that it's almost like permitting child molestation. It's sickening.

On the other hand, I know it's not real. I've heard it said that priests may not have molested (the ones who did) if they'd been allowed to marry. I don't know if there are any studies to substantiate that claim, but I've heard it in the past.

My fear is that dolls like this would be more likely to encourage aberrant behavior. Kind of like a serial killer's first kill. Before that -- it's just a warped idea -- but after that, it enters the realm of what he can get away with, and, from what I've read, it only increases his appetite for more killing.

Unless someone could actually show through testing that these dolls could reduce the risk to real children -- I have to come down on the side of banning the dolls. It's simply disgusting.