‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement[W:25]

[Dirt Sands]

‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Ahead of Trump's pronouncement, close U.S. allies such as Britain, France and Germany had criticized him and questioned the wisdom of such a move. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Tuesday that the pursuit of such policies by the Trump administration is why traditional U.S.-European ties have started to “crumble.”

“We all know the far-reaching impact this move would have,” Gabriel said. “Germany’s position on this issue remains unchanged: A solution to the Jerusalem problem can only be found through direct negotiations between both parties. Everything which worsens the crisis is counterproductive.”

In Russia, the Kremlin also joined the list of nations fearing that such a move will exacerbate tensions between Israel and Palestinians, saying that the situation could worsen as a result. It was one of the few times a Kremlin foreign policy goal has converged with that of most NATO member states.Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the U.S. plan is “unlawful” and could have “irreversible consequences” in the region.

So, looks like Trump managed to unite the whole damn world against us this time.

I can't think of anything more likely to cause attacks than recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol or Israel.The only group that will happy with this is religious fanatics - including evangelicals around the world and right wing Israelis. I can't think of any group in the US who benefits by this other than the 'end is nigh' crowd pushing for the 3rd temple. What possible reason could he have for making this decision?

Right now I am betting a reversal will come - because this is ridiculous.

Since the right wing believes in rewriting history, because you know, history was created by liberals, that they just rewrite the history of Jerusalem. Write it so that America is the promised land instead.

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[PoS]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Did it invite terror when Clinton, Bush or Obama stated it? But now suddenly that Trump is stating it, and now that Israel has stated it, it's going to cause terrorism and mayhem. :roll:

I said it would invite more terror attacks. Try reading next time.

 

[Grand Mal]

Maybe if the Palestinians wanted stabilization it wouldn’t be an issue. The Jews de facto occupy, their legislature sits in Jerusalem, it’s considered the capital by Israel. The US needs to recognize that. To say otherwise is as insane as saying Albany is not the capital of New York or that Santiago isn’t the capital of Chile or that Ottawa isn’t the capital of Canada, and to deny that because of bitter terrorists who do not have the military power nor historical legitimacy to occupy the city is the wrong decision

It's that simple, that easy, when the Israelis have to clean up the mess. Lives will be lost for the sake of making the point, but, at the moment, they won't be American lives. And there's the bonus of being able to point and say, "See? See what Muslims are? You want to let those people into our country?"
Hopefully, the violence won't escalate too much, won't flare up in other countries, but that's by no means something to be relied on. This ends whatever 'peace process' was left, though. It would have been far better to hold off on the move until more stability had been achieved. I mean, why now? What's the sudden urgency?

 

[Apocalypse]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Except the fact remains that no, there was no "liberation" involved, that the Jordanians were not treating the people of the area particularly badly, and that you wanting the land so you took it is what it really comes down to.

And historically, there were people living in the area well before King David showing up. Being able to kill everyone and declare to yourself that "this has always been our land" doesn't necessarily mean anything.

So does that mean China should be allowed to grab everything in the South China Sea? After all, it has the word "China" in its name; that must mean its rightfully Chinese......right?

Yes, being able to totally wipe out the people who were there and then dismissing them as "just as bunch of tribes" and "not a real people" does seem to be winner's prerogative.

The land wasn't liberated because the Jordanians treated the people living there badly during their occupation (and they have, contrary to that nonsense you seem to insist on), it was liberated because the area didn't belong to them and belonged to others. That's the meaning of liberating a piece of land.

There were people living there. They weren't "a people". A people are a nation, a group of people with a shared destiny and past. They were a bunch of tribes. They don't exist today so that is not relevant, had they been a people and existed for the last 3,000 years and kept their sense of belonging to the land as the Jewish people have and kept a presence in the land as the Jewish people have it would have been relevant.

The reference of Judea was to make sure you understand why the piece of land is the homeland of the Jews. Chinese come from China, Japanese from Japan, Arabs from Arabia (Arab Peninsula), Jews from Judea. Enjoy your reading on the issue, once you're educated on a subject it's much easier to discuss it with people who are.

 

[American]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

I said it would invite more terror attacks. Try reading next time.

You didn't answer my question. This has been longstanding policy stated by every president. So now because it's Trump, it's worse than everyone other time?

 

[Grand Mal]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

You didn't answer my question. This has been longstanding policy stated by every president. So now because it's Trump, it's worse than everyone other time?

A question for you- how much loss of life is acceptable for the sake of making the point?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

You didn't answer my question. This has been longstanding policy stated by every president. So now because it's Trump, it's worse than everyone other time?

What?

If you are contending the every American president has wanted their embassy in Jerusalem you are more than mis-informed....I would say making a deliberate and dishonest attempt to mislead.

It has been the stated and enacted policy of EVERY president since Truman that the embassy remain in Tel Aviv.

He was warned there would be repercussions and loss of life, but did it anyway to take the heat off his ass at home. He needed a "win" of some kind after having his great tax plan completely overshadowed by guilty pleas of his top aid.

The man is out for the man and the man alone. Nothing in this aides the US in any way and has blown apart on-going peace talks.

Give it up, the man is an idiot. These explosions continue to happen and will not stop as long as his galaxy sized ego is involved.

 

[American]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

What?

If you are contending the every American president has wanted their embassy in Jerusalem you are more than mis-informed....I would say making a deliberate and dishonest attempt to mislead.

It has been the stated and enacted policy of EVERY president since Truman that the embassy remain in Tel Aviv.

He was warned there would be repercussions and loss of life, but did it anyway to take the heat off his ass at home. He needed a "win" of some kind after having his great tax plan completely overshadowed by guilty pleas of his top aid.

The man is out for the man and the man alone. Nothing in this aides the US in any way and has blown apart on-going peace talks.

Give it up, the man is an idiot. These explosions continue to happen and will not stop as long as his galaxy sized ego is involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

You're only partly correct, but it's up to each president.

 

[American]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

A question for you- how much loss of life is acceptable for the sake of making the point?

Question for you, you think this is the first time an embassy decision may cause loss of life? How about Benghazi?

 

[iliveonramen]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Question for you, you think this is the first time an embassy decision may cause loss of life? How about Benghazi?

Speaking of Benghazi...whatever was the consensus with that on the right? It seemed that the "crime" seemed to change all the time. They lied and said it was due to a video or they told people to "stand down" and not save Americans...for some reason.

 

[CJ 2.0]

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Oh no. You mean that the Jordanians were going to go to war and then let their allies do whatever they want? Truly shocking. In no way, shape or form has anything like that every happened before:roll:

Ah, so we are pretending International Law is nothing more than hypocrisy? I guess there has to be some excuse for keeping Gaza bubbling, after all....:roll:

But if International Law is just "hypocrisy" then who cares? The Jordanians weren't going to do anything, and International Law is what formally declares that genocide is bad......so your own "logic" totally undermines your own claims.

Except just like every other minor slight in the area, its not "the end of it". It just keeps bubbling and simmering and what have you until somebody like Trump comes along to dump gasoline on the fire and watch the pretty explosions.

They would be "left alone" until the pressure to just grab the rest of Jerusalem got too heavy, and then it's "sorry pals, but don't ya know that this is ours? Oh, and we just blew up your Air Force."

Yet he was willing to negotiate. His positions weren't carved in stone--- and that's what got him murdered.

There is a bunch of garbled nonsense in here so let me try to organize and break it out:

1. We are pretending that those who choose to try to leverage "international law" as a cudgel against the Jews have sufficient self-awareness and respect for "the rules" that they would necessarily also apply those laws on others involved in the conflict with the Jews. A tall ask, I know, but they are the ones who chose to base their arguments on "international law" so the least they could do is apply it consistently to all sides when evaluating a conflict.

2. International law is not what declares genocide is bad. That is both a diversion and a moral obfuscation. It also, however, completely misses the point, since clearly the "who cares" is answered by those who would be the victims of said genocide. So my logic undermines nothing, you just didn't understand it. The point is that if you are going to play the "international law matters" card against the Jews for seizing territory that was held by Jordan, the card must also apply to the "Jordan committed an act of aggression and a war crime in alliance and coordination with those who intended to commit genocide". And if you DON'T want to play the 'international law card" (which is fine) then you have no leg to stand on to say that Israel didn't rightfully liberate that territory, which was part of mandatory Palestine and put in trust for the Jews to be administered by the British, with explicit rules that they were not to provide that territory to any other state and which ended up being liberated only once the occupier launched an unprovoked war of aggression.

3. The "it" being referred to is the silly argument that "international law" says the Palestinians should get East Jerusalem even though they have never had a state or sovereignty over that territory, which is both wrong as a matter of international law and rank hypocrisy by its proponents given the transparent inconsistency with which they apply international law to the conflict.

Apologies if it was hard to follow my previous comments (I didn't think so) but hopefully this clears it up. Best,

 

[CJ 2.0]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

I said it would invite more terror attacks. Try reading next time.

Yeah, living as free people also invites more terrorist attacks than living as supplicant dhimmi. As did resistance by locals to ISIS

 

[CJ 2.0]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

A question for you- how much loss of life is acceptable for the sake of making the point?

That is an excellent question. Suggest you ask those engaged in violence "for the sake of making the point," since it is their actions which will lead to those losses of life...

 

[SheWolf]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

I mean... it IS Israel's capital, Trump didn't "make it" it's capital... and I side with Israel against countries/people who are trying to take it's sovereignty away.

How is this America First? Trump has invited anger, resentment, and possible terror on us. Not to mention our allies are against us, again. He is screwing our international reputation, and for what? A foreign country. That's not America First.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Because it is the right decision, because there shouldn't need to be "negotiation" for the ownership of Jerusalem, any more than there should be for Mecca, Vatican City, or any other place other races, cultures, and religions claim as wholly their own.

Jerusalem is their city, the city of their culture, religion, and people. It is their capital and always has been for more than a thousand years...even when they were forced to leave it time and again, conqueror after conqueror, occupier after occupier.

Funny how people on the left of every other argument, claiming this group, or that belief system deserves reparations, etc., fudge on this one.

Apparently everyone is deserving it seems...except the Jews. They have to negotiate for what is and has always been uniquely theirs.

Really?

Their city. Their problem. This is not America First. We should stay the hell out of the region.

 

[Grand Mal]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Question for you, you think this is the first time an embassy decision may cause loss of life? How about Benghazi?

Brilliant riposte. Stymies me, it does. Trumps, even.
Nothing whatever to do with the topic, and ranks right up with, "What about all the deaths cars cause every year?" for being tired, trite and cliched, but brilliant nonetheless.
However, back to the subject. It's easy to say the embassy needed to be moved when it's the Israelis who have to clean up the consequences. No American lives will be lost, not for awhile anyway, and there's the bonus of being able to point and say, "Look! See how Muslims are? We should let those people into our country?" But why now? Why the sudden urgency? Why couldn't it wait for a bit more stability in the region, instead of setting the whole process back a few decades?
Is there some need for an easy distraction?

 

[Grand Mal]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

That is an excellent question. Suggest you ask those engaged in violence "for the sake of making the point," since it is their actions which will lead to those losses of life...

Everyone in the world knew, as soon as he announced it, that this was going to trigger violence. Trump knew, before he announced it, that it would trigger violence. Any reasonable person would say it'd be better to wait for more stability than to set the process back decades by inflaming the situation. There's no clearer illustration of the cliche question, "Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?"
It's a juvenile response, putting your hands in the air and saying, "What? It's all on them! They're the ones!"
But hey, the consequences aren't happening on American streets, yet. Bet the security at the embassy in Tel Aviv is keeping their eyes wide open, though.

 

[Tigerace117]

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The land wasn't liberated because the Jordanians treated the people living there badly during their occupation (and they have, contrary to that nonsense you seem to insist on), it was liberated because the area didn't belong to them and belonged to others. That's the meaning of liberating a piece of land.

There were people living there. They weren't "a people". A people are a nation, a group of people with a shared destiny and past. They were a bunch of tribes. They don't exist today so that is not relevant, had they been a people and existed for the last 3,000 years and kept their sense of belonging to the land as the Jewish people have and kept a presence in the land as the Jewish people have it would have been relevant.

The reference of Judea was to make sure you understand why the piece of land is the homeland of the Jews. Chinese come from China, Japanese from Japan, Arabs from Arabia (Arab Peninsula), Jews from Judea. Enjoy your reading on the issue, once you're educated on a subject it's much easier to discuss it with people who are.

Except we've been over this before. Not caring about the people who got kicked out enough to include the, in your detailed armistice is not grounds to suddenly magically grab land because you really, really, really want it. If God actually thought it was your land, why didn't he step in himself?

No, it was nothing more than using religion as an excuse to justify territorial expansion, just like hundreds of other examples before it.

A "shared destiny"? That's a very pretty and melodramatic description. Too bad it doesn't mean anything.

Whose to say the people living there didn't have a "shared destiny"? I mean, you did kill them all, but whose to say they "weren't a people"? Them being in the way of your "manifest destiny" didn't change who they were.

It's quite easy to keep your sense of identity when you aren't all dead from what I've heard, but hey, glad to hear that you are all for China annexing all those islands in the South China Sea.

 

[beerftw]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Except the fact remains that no, there was no "liberation" involved, that the Jordanians were not treating the people of the area particularly badly, and that you wanting the land so you took it is what it really comes down to.

And historically, there were people living in the area well before King David showing up. Being able to kill everyone and declare to yourself that "this has always been our land" doesn't necessarily mean anything.

So does that mean China should be allowed to grab everything in the South China Sea? After all, it has the word "China" in its name; that must mean its rightfully Chinese......right?

Yes, being able to totally wipe out the people who were there and then dismissing them as "just as bunch of tribes" and "not a real people" does seem to be winner's prerogative.

Google is your friend, as your statement is true only if you count muslims after forced islamization and ignored the jewish majority who who forced out by jordan and the christian minority who had their rights supressed, as well as the blocking of all non muslims from any holy side excluding citizens of jordan.

There was also the issue of the jordanians tearing up one of the jews sacred cemetaries and using them as latrines. Hell even wikipedia covers this, you literally could have spent 5 minutes to see all of that, but the fact you did not meant you either did not research it, or researched and accepted only what boldened your worldview, not what is fact.


Add to this jordan has no claims to jerusalem under international law, under the un jerusalem was meant to belong to no side, this includes the arabs as well, so jordans occupation was illegal in and of itself. Under the un rules and the rules set by the un and britain under the founding of israel and palestine at the beginning, neither has right to claim the state. However jordan occupied it and the arab world demands the holiest city to the jewish people, and cry foul when israel occupies it but thinks it is ok for another country to occupy it, that is called blatent hypocrisy!!!!.

 

[Apocalypse]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Except we've been over this before. Not caring about the people who got kicked out enough to include the, in your detailed armistice is not grounds to suddenly magically grab land because you really, really, really want it. If God actually thought it was your land, why didn't he step in himself?

No, it was nothing more than using religion as an excuse to justify territorial expansion, just like hundreds of other examples before it.

A "shared destiny"? That's a very pretty and melodramatic description. Too bad it doesn't mean anything.

Whose to say the people living there didn't have a "shared destiny"? I mean, you did kill them all, but whose to say they "weren't a people"? Them being in the way of your "manifest destiny" didn't change who they were.

It's quite easy to keep your sense of identity when you aren't all dead from what I've heard, but hey, glad to hear that you are all for China annexing all those islands in the South China Sea.

The right is an historical one. The right of a people to their homeland, to the land where they became a people to begin with, where their culture, language and traditions were shared and where their destiny was planned together.
Insisting on making this religious with all this "you think God gave you this land" nonsense is merely because you have no real argument here and recognize you're in the wrong.
You can't, as much as you'd like to, deny history and reality. If the French are forced today out of Paris it doesn't suddenly erase all their connection to it.

Also you insisting on discussing the Canaanite tribes that don't exist today is irrelevant and is, again, only done because you lack any real argument here. I've been here long enough to recognize when that happens and when a poster diverts to talking nonsense just to keep the discussion going.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Google is your friend, as your statement is true only if you count muslims after forced islamization and ignored the jewish majority who who forced out by jordan and the christian minority who had their rights supressed, as well as the blocking of all non muslims from any holy side excluding citizens of jordan.

There was also the issue of the jordanians tearing up one of the jews sacred cemetaries and using them as latrines. Hell even wikipedia covers this, you literally could have spent 5 minutes to see all of that, but the fact you did not meant you either did not research it, or researched and accepted only what boldened your worldview, not what is fact.


Add to this jordan has no claims to jerusalem under international law, under the un jerusalem was meant to belong to no side, this includes the arabs as well, so jordans occupation was illegal in and of itself. Under the un rules and the rules set by the un and britain under the founding of israel and palestine at the beginning, neither has right to claim the state. However jordan occupied it and the arab world demands the holiest city to the jewish people, and cry foul when israel occupies it but thinks it is ok for another country to occupy it, that is called blatent hypocrisy!!!!.

As I repeatedly stated, you can't not include people in your "detailed armistice" and then suddenly pretend that you care what happens to them. As it was, if the Jordanians were so interested in "wiping out the Jews" they could have done so, rather than merely forcing them to leave. Additionally, Christian holy sites were protected, despite the restrictions on the Christian populace.....so even your own sources clearly show it wasn't as bad as you seem to think.

Did anyone die when they "tore up a sacred cemetery"? Was one hurt? Did the entire city suddenly become "unpure"?

No?

Then, once again, that's not exactly what I would call "horrific treatment". A perfect excuse for a land grab, sure, but not exactly the worst atrocity in the world.

Oh really? And how long do you think anyone was going to listen to the UN on that matter? The rank hypocrisy is pretending that some sort of mini reign of terror was going on in Jerusalem when in reality it was little more than looking for a justification to grab a city they really, really wanted.

 

[Oreo]

‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Ahead of Trump's pronouncement, close U.S. allies such as Britain, France and Germany had criticized him and questioned the wisdom of such a move. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Tuesday that the pursuit of such policies by the Trump administration is why traditional U.S.-European ties have started to “crumble.”

“We all know the far-reaching impact this move would have,” Gabriel said. “Germany’s position on this issue remains unchanged: A solution to the Jerusalem problem can only be found through direct negotiations between both parties. Everything which worsens the crisis is counterproductive.”

In Russia, the Kremlin also joined the list of nations fearing that such a move will exacerbate tensions between Israel and Palestinians, saying that the situation could worsen as a result. It was one of the few times a Kremlin foreign policy goal has converged with that of most NATO member states.Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the U.S. plan is “unlawful” and could have “irreversible consequences” in the region.

So, looks like Trump managed to unite the whole damn world against us this time.

I can't think of anything more likely to cause attacks than recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol or Israel.The only group that will happy with this is religious fanatics - including evangelicals around the world and right wing Israelis. I can't think of any group in the US who benefits by this other than the 'end is nigh' crowd pushing for the 3rd temple. What possible reason could he have for making this decision?

Right now I am betting a reversal will come - because this is ridiculous.

Trump is doing this to distract from these Russian investigations, and there is no better way to do that, than to blow up the middle east.

 

[Fenton Lum]

‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

Ahead of Trump's pronouncement, close U.S. allies such as Britain, France and Germany had criticized him and questioned the wisdom of such a move. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Tuesday that the pursuit of such policies by the Trump administration is why traditional U.S.-European ties have started to “crumble.”

“We all know the far-reaching impact this move would have,” Gabriel said. “Germany’s position on this issue remains unchanged: A solution to the Jerusalem problem can only be found through direct negotiations between both parties. Everything which worsens the crisis is counterproductive.”

In Russia, the Kremlin also joined the list of nations fearing that such a move will exacerbate tensions between Israel and Palestinians, saying that the situation could worsen as a result. It was one of the few times a Kremlin foreign policy goal has converged with that of most NATO member states.Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said the U.S. plan is “unlawful” and could have “irreversible consequences” in the region.

So, looks like Trump managed to unite the whole damn world against us this time.

I can't think of anything more likely to cause attacks than recognizing Jerusalem as the capitol or Israel.The only group that will happy with this is religious fanatics - including evangelicals around the world and right wing Israelis. I can't think of any group in the US who benefits by this other than the 'end is nigh' crowd pushing for the 3rd temple. What possible reason could he have for making this decision?

Right now I am betting a reversal will come - because this is ridiculous.

• Israeli arms sales to Europe grew from $724M in 2014 to $1.63B in 2015

• Although the size of New Jersey Israel is one of the top 10 arms dealing nations in the world

• Israel produces 60% of all drones worldwide and sells to over 50 countries, at times selling to both sides of a given conflict, and Israel fueled the drones arms race between India and Pakistan

Palestine is an open air weapons testing and crowd control laboratory with Palestinians being used in the development phase; Gaza is a lab of mass destruction. US super bunker busters were supplied to the Israelis in 2014 and investors stock shot up; war is just business after all.

The “War in Terror” has been a boon to the industry, you’ve seen what amounts to advertisement in every “news” outlet, we are being whipped up into a frenzy once again. The industry also pioneers crowd control research on the Palestinians, and Israel is involved in the training of American forces and law enforcement. We see this in the militarization of our own police departments, Ferguson was but one example of how our system is prepping to Palestinianize our own population, and in fact Ferguson now has Israeli developed/sold skunk spray post the Ferguson events, although no incidents have yet been reported of use on American streets. It’s pretty clear that the Israeli occupation style power structure is moving toward the same in America; a warehousing of the poor in a post industrial age with diminishing living wage jobs and privatized for profit prisons complete with a return to convict leasing.

Much of the security monitoring and mass surveillance technologies are also produced in Israel and sold across the globe. “Targeted assassination” was invented in Israel, which Obama was quite fond of. Abu Ghraib torture methods? Israel.

The US and Israel are not allies. The US and Israeli arms dealers are allies, and war is the business they are both in. We are all collateral damage.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

The right is an historical one. The right of a people to their homeland, to the land where they became a people to begin with, where their culture, language and traditions were shared and where their destiny was planned together.
Insisting on making this religious with all this "you think God gave you this land" nonsense is merely because you have no real argument here and recognize you're in the wrong.
You can't, as much as you'd like to, deny history and reality. If the French are forced today out of Paris it doesn't suddenly erase all their connection to it.

Also you insisting on discussing the Canaanite tribes that don't exist today is irrelevant and is, again, only done because you lack any real argument here. I've been here long enough to recognize when that happens and when a poster diverts to talking nonsense just to keep the discussion going.

So if we kill everyone in an area, and wait long enough, we can claim it was our's all along? That plan is sketchy at best bud, even though it seems to be the entire basis of your "historical right".

I guess the people who were wiped out didn't "deserve" their homeland so now it's yours, and anyone who gets in the way is the "bad guy" huh.

"Language, culture and traditions" can be shared anywhere there's even a small group of people. Jews in New York City shared their "language, culture and traditions" for generations. Does that mean that NYC should be annexed by Israel?

No, the one without a real argument is you. You are arguing, in essence, "we wanted the land really badly so we killed everyone living there and it was ours and because we killed everyone living there it's now ours forever and ever and ever".

But the French aren't making territorial land grabs in Belgium, Spain and Germany because "this was part of our "homeland"".

Yes, I can see why bringing up the people whose homeland you declared as your own would be rather inconvenient for you. After all, they were "in the way" right?

 

[digsbe]

Re: ‘It’s catastrophic’: U.S. allies reject Trump’s Jerusalem pronouncement

It's a shame to see world leaders be so weak and avoid doing the right thing in standing by Israel and rightfully acknowledging the capital of the country.