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Charlize Theron Is An Idiot

Tigerace117 said:
"Months later, one of those assault rifles was seized in neighbouring Mexico at the scene of the "Acapulco police massacre", after one of the country's most powerful drug cartels killed five officers and two secretaries in an attack at the beach resort once regarded as a millionaires' playground. Another was recovered after the kidnap and murder of a cattle buyer. Others were found in the hands of top-level enforcers for narcotics traffickers, or abandoned after attacks on Mexican police and the military. The guns have been tied to eight killings in Mexico.

In time, US federal agents discovered that Hernandez was at the heart of a ring of two dozen people who bought more than 300 weapons from Texas gun shops for one of the more notorious Mexican drug cartels, Los Zetas. Some of those guns have since been linked to the killings of at least 18 Mexican police officers and civilians, including members of the judiciary and a businessman who was abducted and murdered."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/08/us-guns-mexico-drug-cartels

"Authorities don't know how many firearms are sneaked across the border, but the ATF says more than 7,700 guns sold in America were traced to Mexico last year, up from 3,300 the year before and about 2,100 in 2006. The increase is attributed both to a higher volume going south and a growing interest among Mexican authorities in running recovered weapons through a U.S. gun-tracing database.

Mexican and U.S. officials estimate the cartels get 95 percent of their guns from the United States; others are stolen when cartels overrun Mexican authorities. Cartels recruit "straw buyers" in the United States who make purchases on their behalf. Then people are paid to bring the weapons across the border."

U.S. dealers arming Mexican drug cartels - World news - Americas | NBC News

This is a serious issue.
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its already against the law/ what other laws do you want to pass for those people to break?
 
TurtleDude said:
its already against the law/ what other laws do you want to pass for those people to break?
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Perhaps let's start by making it not quite so easy for people to buy weapons for vicious criminals?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Why shouldn't there be? Don't the American people have the right to ensure that those who choose to arm themselves in public life are capable of behaving in a responsible manner based on more than....well....them saying so?

Call me when free speech or voting can place the lives of members in the public in imminent danger if not handled responsibly.

Preconceived notions are irrelevant; until data shows up, it's all just people's opinions.
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You are surrounded every day by people carrying and you dont even know it. Where's the blood in the streets by these permit holders? Please...documentation?

And make sure to understand how the numbers compare to the other thing you expose yourself to knowingly every day...other drivers on the road. You are BY FAR at more risk from other drivers than gun carriers...BY FAR.

Get a little perspective...if you manage to balance it out, you'll lose all worries about follow Americans carrying and you'll reconsider just how often you jump in your car for casual trips.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Perhaps let's start by making it not quite so easy for people to buy weapons for vicious criminals?
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that's federal felony. you can get 10 years in federal prison for that. so what's your solution?
 
Tigerace117 said:
I repeat my previous statement
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Yes, because of your lack of comprehension....we get it.

We are on a discussion forum...are you capable of discussing? Because your posts are empty of that.
 
Tigerace117 said:
There haven't exactly been a lot of studies done into the behavior of individuals with concealed carry permits as well.
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there hasn't been much evidence that CCW permit holders cause much trouble. Why do you anti gun advocates want to spend so much time on honest people when we know that at least 80% gun crime is committed by those who cannot legally own guns? seems to me if your real goal is decreasing gun crime you'd focus your efforts on what we all know are the causes of MOST gun crime. Instead you want to push unconstitutional restrictions on the people who cause the least
 
DebateChallenge said:
Charlize Theron has said that more guns is not the solution and that the idea of arming teachers is outrageous. She is saying this because she "lost her father to gun violence," although under the circumstances I wouldn't say that's the best way to put it. Her dad was a drunk and this one time when he was drunkedly attacking her mom, her mom shot him in self defense. If anything I would say its a good thing her mom was armed in that situation. Charlize lost her dad not because of guns but because her dad was a drunken loser. Her dad did this to himself and she should blame him not guns.
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Charlize Theron lives and works in the land of make believe.
Charlize Theron Is An Idiot.

One clearly logically follows the other, as well as many other Celebutards from Hollyweird.
 
TurtleDude said:
there hasn't been much evidence that CCW permit holders cause much trouble. Why do you anti gun advocates want to spend so much time on honest people when we know that at least 80% gun crime is committed by those who cannot legally own guns? seems to me if your real goal is decreasing gun crime you'd focus your efforts on what we all know are the causes of MOST gun crime. Instead you want to push unconstitutional restrictions on the people who cause the least
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Again, there hasn't really been any study on the subject, and just taking one's word for it doesn't strike me as the best strategy.


Things like poverty and human evil aren't really solvable problems; keeping evil people away from firearms, on the other hand, is. There was a poster upstairs who was very upset at the way psychopaths and sociopaths are unable to easily access and utilize firearms
 
Lursa said:
Yes, because of your lack of comprehension....we get it.

We are on a discussion forum...are you capable of discussing? Because your posts are empty of that.
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Why exactly should anyone discuss your opinion?

It lacks merit; it lacks credibility; there's really no point.
 
Lursa said:
You are surrounded every day by people carrying and you dont even know it. Where's the blood in the streets by these permit holders? Please...documentation?

And make sure to understand how the numbers compare to the other thing you expose yourself to knowingly every day...other drivers on the road. You are BY FAR at more risk from other drivers than gun carriers...BY FAR.


Get a little perspective...if you manage to balance it out, you'll lose all worries about follow Americans carrying and you'll reconsider just how often you jump in your car for casual trips.
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Oh, so because "honest people" aren't actively murdering others in the streets nobody should be concerned with the issue. Yeah, no; "not murdering others" is kind of the bare minimum for people to have access to firearms.

Nobody is claiming "other drivers" are some sort of shining constitutional example to be demonstrated to the masses, so no, your comparison doesn't hold water.

Nobody puts those on the road on a pedestal simply for driving.
 
eohrnberger said:
Charlize Theron lives and works in the land of make believe.
Charlize Theron Is An Idiot.

One clearly logically follows the other, as well as many other Celebutards from Hollyweird.
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How about Gary Sinese? Lives and works in the land of make believe. Is he also an idiot? A, as you call it, celebutard?

(Lord it's embarrassing reading this jibberish, much less repeating it.)
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh, so because "honest people" aren't actively murdering others in the streets nobody should be concerned with the issue. Yeah, no; "not murdering others" is kind of the bare minimum for people to have access to firearms.

Nobody is claiming "other drivers" are some sort of shining constitutional example to be demonstrated to the masses, so no, your comparison doesn't hold water.

Nobody puts those on the road on a pedestal simply for driving.
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you keep complaining-what's your proposed solutions?
 
TurtleDude said:
that's federal felony. you can get 10 years in federal prison for that. so what's your solution?
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You can; that doesn't mean you will.

Mandatory maximum sentencing, strictly inquiries and background checks into people trying to purchase firearms, waiting periods, making sure people don't illegally convert weapons to fully automatic.....
 
Tigerace117 said:
Why exactly should anyone discuss your opinion?

It lacks merit; it lacks credibility; there's really no point.
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LOL Other people here manage just fine...the limitation is yours.

And it truly illustrates...for everyone...that you have no ability to refute my opinions or statements.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Oh, so because "honest people" aren't actively murdering others in the streets nobody should be concerned with the issue. Yeah, no; "not murdering others" is kind of the bare minimum for people to have access to firearms.

Nobody is claiming "other drivers" are some sort of shining constitutional example to be demonstrated to the masses, so no, your comparison doesn't hold water.

Nobody puts those on the road on a pedestal simply for driving.
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You have no data to refute my statements or TurtleDudes....so unless you can find such proof to support *your opinion*....apparently there IS no data to support your opinion :mrgreen:

And my comparison to drivers had no foundation in the Constitution...just numbers, odds, and risks...which you seem unable to comprehend also. I did ask you to do a comparison...and you seem to have failed.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You can; that doesn't mean you will.

Mandatory maximum sentencing, strictly inquiries and background checks into people trying to purchase firearms, waiting periods, making sure people don't illegally convert weapons to fully automatic.....
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how do you make sure people don't convert weapons to fully automatic-that's already a federal felony

what do waiting periods do that are useful? why should people who already own guns have to wait?
 
Lursa said:
LOL Other people here manage just fine...the limitation is yours.

And it truly illustrates...for everyone...that you have no ability to refute my opinions or statements.
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Ah, so you think because others indulge you I should as well? Sorry, not how I operate.

As it is your opinion rather than a statement of fact only you can change it, no matter how wrong it is.
 
Lursa said:
You have no data to refute my statements or TurtleDudes....so unless you can find such proof to support *your opinion*....apparently there IS no data to support your opinion :mrgreen:

And my comparison to drivers had no foundation in the Constitution...just numbers, odds, and risks...which you seem unable to comprehend also. I did ask you to do a comparison...and you seem to have failed.
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Your statement was literally just whining how you think everyone is being mean and oppressing you "honest folks" and that it's a-ok because you haven't murdered anyone.

You went on to draw a false comparison to driving.

Except you folks wrap yourselves in the 2nd Amedment and place your actions on a pedestal.....as I repeatedly stated
 
TurtleDude said:
how do you make sure people don't convert weapons to fully automatic-that's already a federal felony

what do waiting periods do that are useful? why should people who already own guns have to wait?
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If someone is honest they will be willing to wait. They may bitch and moan about it, but they will, if they are "law abiding folks" obey the law. If they aren't, well, then we have another statistical shift in the making.

Ensuring periodic checks to ensure someone hasn't mentally fallen apart is also a good idea.

Strict sentencing for anyone caught, among other factors
 
Tigerace117 said:
If someone is honest they will be willing to wait. They may bitch and moan about it, but they will, if they are "law abiding folks" obey the law. If they aren't, well, then we have another statistical shift in the making.

Ensuring periodic checks to ensure someone hasn't mentally fallen apart is also a good idea.

Strict sentencing for anyone caught, among other factors
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why should they wait. your pathetic argument is that. why should a person who passed the background check wait? it appears your only goal is to harass honest people

do you realize you cannot and did not come up with a single reason to make people wait-that people will obey the law is NOT an argument why the law ought to be passed

and criminals who get guns on the black market will not

this sort of BS and deficient reasoning behind stupid laws is why we gun owners have so little use for those who want to pass more laws-laws they cannot explain or give a rational argument in favor of
 
Tigerace117 said:
If someone is honest they will be willing to wait. They may bitch and moan about it, but they will, if they are "law abiding folks" obey the law. If they aren't, well, then we have another statistical shift in the making.

Ensuring periodic checks to ensure someone hasn't mentally fallen apart is also a good idea.

Strict sentencing for anyone caught, among other factors
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"Waiting periods for firearm acquisition. Waiting periods for firearm acquisition require a specified delay between application for and acquisition of a firearm. Waiting periods have been established by the federal government and by states to allow time to check the applicant's background or to provide a "cooling-off" period for persons at risk of committing suicide or impulsive acts against others. Studies of the effects of waiting periods on violent outcomes yielded inconsistent results: some indicated a decrease in violent outcome associated with the delay and others indicated an increase. As noted previously, one study of the interim Brady Law indicated a statistically significant reduction in firearms suicide among persons aged >55 years associated with the waiting period requirement of the interim law. Several studies suggested a partial "substitution effect" for suicide (i.e., decreases in firearms suicide are accompanied by smaller increases in suicide by other means)"

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm
 
Lursa said:
How about Gary Sinese? Lives and works in the land of make believe. Is he also an idiot? A, as you call it, celebutard?

(Lord it's embarrassing reading this jibberish, much less repeating it.)
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Vast majority are idiots. Just have to look at late night talk show hosts to figure that one out.

There are, as always and as you point out, some exceptions.
 
TurtleDude said:
why should they wait. your pathetic argument is that. why should a person who passed the background check wait? it appears your only goal is to harass honest people

do you realize you cannot and did not come up with a single reason to make people wait-that people will obey the law is NOT an argument why the law ought to be passed

and criminals who get guns on the black market will not

this sort of BS and deficient reasoning behind stupid laws is why we gun owners have so little use for those who want to pass more laws-laws they cannot explain or give a rational argument in favor of
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And yet another example of a truly titanic persecution complex. If you are actually honest, you'll abide by the law, especially since mental health concerns have been the major factor in mass killings as of late.

You have so "little use for gun control" because you are obsessed with your holy relics, are desperate to find any excuse to accumulate as much as possible, and think that they are above the law.
 
Lursa said:
And in most cases, those women should have gotten away from those men long before it gets to that point.

I hate women allowing themselves to be victimized that way.
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Sounds like you're blaming the victim.
 
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