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[W:80] Trump encourages Israel, our ‘ally’, to block US lawmakers from travel

Felis Leo said:
First, Threegoofs, I appreciate your consistency on the subject.

But certainly, I would not demand that these countries (one an allied nation and one a friendly nation) suffer a Congressman to come with intention to have a friendly tet-a-tet with their nation's adversaries. Nor would I be greatly upset. I do not think any nation, whether allied to us or not, needs to suffer our politicians tromping through their backyard gardens stirring up trouble.
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People who support Tlaib's cynical ploy are usually the first to decry American Imperialism.
 
The Congress of the United States of America has for years watched idly as its claim to being a co-equal branch of government has been whittled away. The men and women of Congress have now reached the point where they sit meekly by as the President of the United States of America dictates to which countries they can and cannot travel.

One can only wonder what strictures will next be imposed. A dress code, perhaps?
 
ludin said:
yes because leftist hypocrisy is the only thing you can rely on.

israel denied them because they were not planning on visiting israel or meeting with anyone
from the israeli government.

their sole trip there was to meet Palestine (of which one has family there)
and to meet with a known supporter of terrorist attacks against israel.

that is why they were denied.
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Keep telling yourself that.
 
Threegoofs said:
That’s absurd.

You’re saying that if their political views don’t line up with the current party’s views, the foreign government is perfectly ok to reject a visa.
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What I am saying is that a foreign government, whether an ally or non-ally, authoritarian or democracy, is allowed to reject the entry of people who they have good cause to believe threaten their national security. We have rejected Israeli lawmakers entry into the United States for having overly-friendly relations with terror groups in Israel. They can reject our lawmakers' entry for identical or similar reasons.

Threegoofs said:
That’s par for the course for authoritarian states, but Israel is a purported democracy, and we are allies because it’s a democracy.
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Indeed Israel is a democracy. As are we in the colloquial sense, though we are a Federal Republic. And democracies are allowed to bar entry of foreign nationals and lawmakers who they believe threaten their national security.

And our alliance and military aid towards their country does not entitle any United States citizen or Legislator to treat Israel (or any other allied nation) as though it is their stomping ground as though they bought a VIP Day Pass to Disney Land.
 
This is not the first time Israel's Prime Ministers has insulted American Democrats and America as a whole.... People have short memory... they quickly forget that this same man, came to the Republican Congress During President Obama's Term and met with them... without and Official Presidential Authorization.

Guess next N. Korea will come and meet with the Senate and give a speech on the floor of the Senate.

People don't get it, with Bolton as a war hawk... itching for a war... He likely may even hope that Muslim Nations take actions against Israel in some manner, so he will have manufactured a reason for America to push the Israel agenda of instigating conflict by having America do the dirty work of instigation and actions.
 
Felis Leo said:
What I am saying is that a foreign government, whether an ally or non-ally, authoritarian or democracy, is allowed to reject the entry of people who they have good cause to believe threaten their national security. We have rejected Israeli lawmakers entry into the United States for having overly-friendly relations with terror groups in Israel. .
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(Citation needed)
 
snakestretcher said:
Maybe you should read their travel itinerary before making assumptions; there is nothing in the itinerary mentioning visiting Gaza or the Occupied Territories. Oh, and the spelling is 'Palestine'. Always happy to educate right-wing Americans.
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Yes maybe you should do some research because to visit israel you have to fill out where you are going and what you will be doing.
Actually it was in their travel plans to visit the west bank because that is where her mom lives in occupied area's.

also as a matter of humanitarian reasons the israeli government granted her travel as long as she met certain restriction of not spreading her message of being
anti-Semitic she is now refusing to go. Showing that she was not there to visit israel but continue to be a racist.

why do you support racism?

educating leftist is what i do best. why? because facts don't care about your feelings.
 
AProudLefty said:
Keep telling yourself that.
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That is what the israel government is saying.
but that means educating yourself on facts not feelings
something leftists can't do.

In fact israel just granted her permission based on humanitarian reason with the restriction that she cannot spread her racist anti-Semitic views.
she is now declining to go which means she never intended to go there in the first place.
 
Threegoofs said:
Sounds like a terrible precedent.
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Perhaps, Threegoofs, but what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If we can deny entry of an elected lawmaker from an allied nation on the basis of our national security interests, by what principle can we rightfully demand that they not be allowed to bar ours on the basis of their national security interests?

Threegoofs said:
But has anyone ever barred a US Congressperson?
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I presume you mean ally blocking the entry of a U.S. Congressperson into their country? Perhaps, but not to my immediate knowledge. But I know of no other time in history where a sitting member of Congress wanted to go to visit a country which they openly promoted boycott, divestment and sanctions against.
 
ludin said:
That is what the israel government is saying.
but that means educating yourself on facts not feelings
something leftists can't do.

In fact israel just granted her permission based on humanitarian reason with the restriction that she cannot spread her racist anti-Semitic views.
she is now declining to go which means she never intended to go there in the first place.
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LOL. And you told me to educate myself on facts not feelings? YOU feel that her statements are racist anti-Semitic which is not based on reality. :lamo
 
AProudLefty said:
LOL. And you told me to educate myself on facts not feelings? YOU feel that her statements are racist anti-Semitic which is not based on reality. :lamo
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actually they are.
She was going there to promote the boycott of israel and meet
with a group that is a known sponsor of terrorism against israel.

so please tell us again how she is not anti-Semitic.
PS nothing you have yet to post refutes what the Israeli
government has said. SO why can't you refute it?

the only thing you are doing is attacking the messenger which means you
have no argument.

The next question is why do you support anti-semitics?
 
ludin said:
actually they are.
She was going there to promote the boycott of israel and meet
with a group that is a known sponsor of terrorism against israel.

so please tell us again how she is not anti-Semitic.
PS nothing you have yet to post refutes what the Israeli
government has said. SO why can't you refute it?

the only thing you are doing is attacking the messenger which means you
have no argument.

The next question is why do you support anti-semitics?
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Okay then give me quotes that show she's anti-Semite.
I have not refuted anything Israel said. What they said is irrelevant.
And your last question is a ploy in an attempt to make me feel guilty and agree with you.
 
RealityNow said:
This is not the first time Israel's Prime Ministers has insulted American Democrats and America as a whole.... People have short memory... they quickly forget that this same man, came to the Republican Congress During President Obama's Term and met with them... without and Official Presidential Authorization.

Guess next N. Korea will come and meet with the Senate and give a speech on the floor of the Senate.

People don't get it, with Bolton as a war hawk... itching for a war... He likely may even hope that Muslim Nations take actions against Israel in some manner, so he will have manufactured a reason for America to push the Israel agenda of instigating conflict by having America do the dirty work of instigation and actions.
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Nonsense. Bolton is a good man who is unjustly hated by leftists who despise people they disagree with.
 
marke said:
Nonsense. Bolton is a good man who is unjustly hated by leftists who despise people they disagree with.
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Marke:

?????!

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
AProudLefty said:
Okay then give me quotes that show she's anti-Semite.
I have not refuted anything Israel said. What they said is irrelevant.
And your last question is a ploy in an attempt to make me feel guilty and agree with you.
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Actually it isn't irrelevant as it is their country which makes it 100% relevant. Even they declined her the first time
because of her stances against Israel.

Nope my last question is an honest question why do you support anti-semitics.
i thought was was an liberal stance not to support racism?

or is it only a leftist stance to call out racists that have R's in front of their names?

The Media are mum on the virulently anti-Semitic group behind Rashida Tlaib’s and Ilhan Omar’s since-canceled Israel trip

Here's what Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib were going to do on their trip to Israel and the West Bank - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
titled “Delegation to Palestine” — took Tlaib and Omar through major Palestinian population centers in Jerusalem and the West Bank, and to a string of meetings with Palestinian nonprofits and activists, as well as international human rights groups.

It featured no meetings with Israeli officials of any political persuasion, including Arab lawmakers. The plan also did not feature any extended time spent within Israel’s internationally recognized borders.

From there they were going to meet with UNRWA, the United Nations agency that aids Palestinian refugees and often is criticized by Israeli officials for having an anti-Israel bias

The group, like many Palestinian civil society organizations, supports the movement to boycott Israel. But it has also praised Palestinian suicide bombers and published an age-old anti-Semitic stereotype, for which it later apologized. Netanyahu described Miftah as “an avid supporter of BDS, and among whose members are those who have expressed support for terrorism against Israel.”

Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib’s since-canceled trip to Israel was sponsored by Miftah, an exceptionally anti-Semitic group that encourages Palestinian terrorists and claims Jews used the blood of Christians in the Jewish Passover. The organization also publishes Neo-Nazis and supports calls for the destruction of Israel.

So why do you support this type of stuff being a liberal?
There is no defense for it.
 
ludin said:
Actually it isn't irrelevant as it is their country which makes it 100% relevant. Even they declined her the first time
because of her stances against Israel.

Nope my last question is an honest question why do you support anti-semitics.
i thought was was an liberal stance not to support racism?

or is it only a leftist stance to call out racists that have R's in front of their names?

The Media are mum on the virulently anti-Semitic group behind Rashida Tlaib’s and Ilhan Omar’s since-canceled Israel trip

Here's what Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib were going to do on their trip to Israel and the West Bank - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
titled “Delegation to Palestine” — took Tlaib and Omar through major Palestinian population centers in Jerusalem and the West Bank, and to a string of meetings with Palestinian nonprofits and activists, as well as international human rights groups.

It featured no meetings with Israeli officials of any political persuasion, including Arab lawmakers. The plan also did not feature any extended time spent within Israel’s internationally recognized borders.

From there they were going to meet with UNRWA, the United Nations agency that aids Palestinian refugees and often is criticized by Israeli officials for having an anti-Israel bias

The group, like many Palestinian civil society organizations, supports the movement to boycott Israel. But it has also praised Palestinian suicide bombers and published an age-old anti-Semitic stereotype, for which it later apologized. Netanyahu described Miftah as “an avid supporter of BDS, and among whose members are those who have expressed support for terrorism against Israel.”

Reps. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib’s since-canceled trip to Israel was sponsored by Miftah, an exceptionally anti-Semitic group that encourages Palestinian terrorists and claims Jews used the blood of Christians in the Jewish Passover. The organization also publishes Neo-Nazis and supports calls for the destruction of Israel.

So why do you support this type of stuff being a liberal?
There is no defense for it.
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Why do you keep saying that I support anti-Semites? Do you hate North Koreans because you criticize their government? Do you hate the Chinese people because you criticize their Communist government?
 
AProudLefty said:
Why do you keep saying that I support anti-Semites? Do you hate North Koreans because you criticize their government? Do you hate the Chinese people because you criticize their Communist government?
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I keep asking why you support. i have not said that you did support.
why do you have to be dishonest but that is the typical leftist
trait. say something that no one said.

if you don't support it then it should be easy to denounce these two people and
their actions and support Israel.
 
Felis Leo said:
First, Threegoofs, I appreciate your consistency on the subject.

But certainly, I would not demand that these countries (one an allied nation and one a friendly nation) suffer a Congressman to come with intention to have a friendly tet-a-tet with their nation's adversaries. Nor would I be greatly upset. I do not think any nation, whether allied to us or not, needs to suffer our politicians tromping through their backyard gardens stirring up trouble.
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I don't fully agree with you, in that I believe Trump and Netanyahu both overplayed their hands; Trump, by telling an allied nation not to allow democratically-elected members of congress to even enter their country, and Netanyahu by showing that he is willing to do Trump's bidding, even though it makes him look even more like an oppressive dictator of non-Jews living in both Israel and the occupied territories.

That said, I have no real respect for the obvious agenda these two congresswomen have gleefully announced during their campaigns and since election, and do not fault Israel for heading off what could have predictably ended up as a rallying cry to whip up Palestinian insurrection, which clearly could involve clashes, injuries, and even death on both sides.

Miserable situation, all the way around.
 
ludin said:
I keep asking why you support. i have not said that you did support.
why do you have to be dishonest but that is the typical leftist
trait. say something that no one said.

if you don't support it then it should be easy to denounce these two people and
their actions and support Israel.
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It's pretty clear I do not support anti-Semites. You have yet to show how she is one. I do not support Steve King.
 
ludin said:
actually they are.
She was going there to promote the boycott of israel and meet
with a group that is a known sponsor of terrorism against israel.

so please tell us again how she is not anti-Semitic.
PS nothing you have yet to post refutes what the Israeli
government has said. SO why can't you refute it?

the only thing you are doing is attacking the messenger which means you
have no argument.

The next question is why do you support anti-semitics?
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That's not anti-Semitism but legitimate criticism of the Israeli government's policies vis-a-vis Palestine. What a ridiculous assertion to make; if I criticise Pakistan's government, for example, does that make me an Islamophobe in your considered opinion?
Why do you support not using what's between one's ears?
Oh, and it's 'anti-Semites', not anti-semitics. Always glad to help.
 
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snakestretcher said:
That's not anti-Semitism but legitimate criticism of the Israeli government. What a ridiculous assertion to make; if I criticise Pakistan's government, for example, does that make me an Islamophobe?
Why do you support not using what's between ones ears?
Oh, and it's 'anti-Semites', not anti-semitics. Always glad to help.
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When you go to meet a group that is anti-semitic, supports terrorism against
israel and has published neo-nazi material against israel.

then yes you are.
you should educate yourself a bit more you don't know what you are talking about.
then again most leftist don't.
 
AProudLefty said:
It's pretty clear I do not support anti-Semites. You have yet to show how she is one. I do not support Steve King.
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actually i did. i posted you several articles and a ton of evidence.
but this is the typical leftist tactic of denial.

it is sad to see that you support anti-semitic stances.
but i guess racism is ok as long as there isn't an R in front of
their name with liberals.
 
ludin said:
When you go to meet a group that is anti-semitic, supports terrorism against
israel and has published neo-nazi material against israel.

then yes you are.
you should educate yourself a bit more you don't know what you are talking about.
then again most leftist don't.
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You make a lot of baseless assumptions. Oh and it's 'leftists', plural. You're not doing very well old chum, back to school with you. Would you like a few examples of Israeli terrorism? No, I expect you would not; but do ask if you're interested and I'll be glad to oblige.
I have also been a vocal critic of Israel's government. Am I therefore an anti-Semite? Think hard about this; you won't get a nosebleed from the strain.
 
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