Liberals are dangerous

[TurtleDude]

The breakfast of champions.

yeah look what it did for Bruce Jenner!!

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Child please.. Grow up. We aren't all nuts after all and we aren't all hypocritical "Libertarians" that have no actual legitimacy ideologically anyways..


It's no different than any person out in society. Can you be a hyper partisan out in real life and suffer the social ill effects of that? Sure. Is that a good option or a rational one and has it ever been historically speaking? No. Just because we don't all choose to lose the girl, lose the job, lose the social contacts, all for some little "idea" that is honestly largely irrelevant anyways to your daily life doesn't mean we aren't just as moral and that we don't have just as much if not more views than the silly little nutjob running around lamenting Obama or complaining about republicans. Those people don't generally sway anyone anyways and historically never have.

I rarely talk about politics or religion outside of this forum or certain groups of my friends, because many people get pissed off easily when these topics come up. When a situation comes up that I think would be a poor choice of a time to discuss my views out loud, I tend to keep quiet. You, on the other hand, will lie to people about what you believe for socioeconomic advantage. Not just a "I don't really pay much attention to politics, sorry" or "I'm spiritual, but not the most religious guy around" kind of lie. You lie constantly, for the purpose of sleeping with and hanging around with people you almost never, if ever, have anything nice to say about.

Worst part of it is, judging by your descriptions of these people (the thread about the "real" reason rural white people oppose abortion jumps to mind immediately), there's isn't even an actual advantage to any of your social maneuvering and lying, as you seem to find yourself constantly in the company of people just as shallow and two-faced as yourself.

 

[Ryan5]

I rarely talk about politics or religion outside of this forum or certain groups of my friends, because many people get pissed off easily when these topics come up. When a situation comes up that I think would be a poor choice of a time to discuss my views out loud, I tend to keep quiet. You, on the other hand, will lie to people about what you believe for socioeconomic advantage. Not just a "I don't really pay much attention to politics, sorry" or "I'm spiritual, but not the most religious guy around" kind of lie. You lie constantly, for the purpose of sleeping with and hanging around with people you almost never, if ever, have anything nice to say about.

Worst part of it is, judging by your descriptions of these people (the thread about the "real" reason rural white people oppose abortion jumps to mind immediately), there's isn't even an actual advantage to any of your social maneuvering and lying, as you seem to find yourself constantly in the company of people just as shallow and two-faced as yourself.

So I'll keep playing realist and you keep playing idealist I guess.


-If you or I sleep with a Christian girl, a Jewish girl, a Muslim girl, a Hindu girl or a whatever girl and she was perfectly willing, the idea that "It was somehow immoral because our views on something didn't matchup perfectly or even somewhat so" is absolutely ridiculous.

A rational person can fess up to that truth, an irrational one cannot. That's what it boils down to.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

So I'll keep playing realist and you keep playing idealist I guess.


-If you or I sleep with a Christian girl, a Jewish girl, a Muslim girl, a Hindu girl or a whatever girl and she was perfectly willing, the idea that "It was somehow immoral because our views on something didn't matchup perfectly or even somewhat so" is absolutely ridiculous.

A rational person can fess up to that truth, an irrational one cannot. That's what it boils down to.

What makes it immoral is that you lied to them. How can you not understand that simple concept?

 

[Ryan5]

What makes it immoral is that you lied to them. How can you not understand that simple concept?

What on earth are you talking about? Nobody lied to anyone. Normal people don't ask "Are you Christian? Are you Jewish? Are you Muslim?" before they have sex or do things that will lead to sex. The idea that they do is crazy lol!

 

[Brochacholomigo]

What on earth are you talking about? Nobody lied to anyone. Normal people don't ask "Are you Christian? Are you Jewish? Are you Muslim?" before they have sex or do things that will lead to sex. The idea that they do is crazy lol!

I'm talking about how you constantly talk about how you lie about being a Christian so that you can sleep with women who are Christian.

 

[Ryan5]

I'm talking about how you constantly talk about how you lie about being a Christian so that you can sleep with women who are Christian.

I wear a cross and present myself as Christian. I don't go around saying I'm Christian to random people and women don't actually ask "Are you really Christian?" LOL! Never had a girl ask that ever.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

I wear a cross and present myself as Christian. I don't go around saying I'm Christian to random people and women don't actually ask "Are you really Christian?" LOL! Never had a girl ask that ever.

...You've claimed that if you didn't present yourself as a Christian, these women wouldn't sleep with you, and now you're saying that this topic has never come up in conversation. Ever. How do you know you actually have to present a false image?

 

[Ryan5]

...You've claimed that if you didn't present yourself as a Christian, these women wouldn't sleep with you, and now you're saying that this topic has never come up in conversation. Ever. How do you know you actually have to present a false image?

Dude..


This is not that hard (or maybe it is for you, idk..). I wear a cross. I wear jeans. I wear distressed boots. I wear a beat up shirt. I hence attract women seeking a Marlboro-Esq kind of man (which I am definitely not). I then sometimes if lucky have sex with said woman. Through any of that process does she actually ask "Ryan, are you a Christian?" No, she never asks that. Ever. Assumption and stereotypes are powerful things my friend. Use them.

 

[Logicman]

And this is why...

Rasmussen: Plurality of Democrats think Obama should be able to ignore court rulings if it’s “important” « Hot Air

You're darn right liberals are dangerous.

I remember when the liberals went to place a 10% luxury tax on yacht sales ("get the rich"). What happened was the rich quit buying yachts so the yacht manufactures lost all kinds of money and the little guy who helped build the yachts got laid off. So it wasn't "get the rich," it was the liberals screwing the little guy, again.

The problem with liberals is they have no vision.

Another prime example: The do-gooders in San Francisco decided to give $400 'welfare' checks to homeless people. Help the poor, right? Well, next thing you know every bum in America (criminals too) began showing up in San Fran for a free ride. Crime goes up, bums are everywhere hitting on regular folks for money, etc., and the police tell the libs they have to stop the madness, which they eventually did. A real cluster****.

 

[Ryan5]

You're darn right liberals are dangerous.

I remember when the liberals went to place a 10% luxury tax on yacht sales ("get the rich"). What happened was the rich quit buying yachts so the yacht manufactures lost all kinds of money and the little guy who helped build the yachts got laid off. So it wasn't "get the rich," it was the liberals screwing the little guy, again.

The problem with liberals is they have no vision.

Another prime example: The do-gooders in San Francisco decided to give $400 'welfare' checks to homeless people. Help the poor, right? Well, next thing you know every bum in America (criminals too) began showing up in San Fran for a free ride. Crime goes up, bums are everywhere hitting on regular folks for money, etc., and the police tell the libs they have to stop the madness, which they eventually did. A real cluster****.

Any rich person in America or the Western world who wants a yacht has a yacht. Not all yachts are super yachts.. Anyone claiming that a "10% tax" prevented a single rich person from buying a regular yacht is outright lying to our face.

 

[Logicman]

Any rich person in America or the Western world who wants a yacht has a yacht. Not all yachts are super yachts.. Anyone claiming that a "10% tax" prevented a single rich person from buying a regular yacht is outright lying to our face.

Listen, the liberal's yacht tax fiasco is history. And you'd be surprised how the rich pinch pennies.

Even the liberal New York Times records the fiasco and that yacht sales suffered.

New Luxury Tax Trimming Boat Sales - NYTimes.com

Just remember, when you people think you're being smart about "getting the rich," that it's usually the little guy who takes it in the shorts. The rich and corporations just pass the costs of the new taxes on down to the little guy in the form of increased prices for goods and services. Or the rich move out of state, like so many are doing fleeing from New York and high tax states. Or they do a hundred other things. So wise up and quit thinking you guys know what you're doing.

 

[Ryan5]

Listen, the liberal's yacht tax fiasco is history. And you'd be surprised how the rich pinch pennies.

Even the liberal New York Times records the fiasco and that yacht sales suffered.

New Luxury Tax Trimming Boat Sales - NYTimes.com

Just remember, when you people think you're being smart about "getting the rich," that it's usually the little guy who takes it in the shorts. The rich and corporations just pass the costs of the new taxes on down to the little guy in the form of increased prices for goods and services. Or the rich move out of state, like so many are doing fleeing from New York and high tax states. Or they do a hundred other things. So wise up and quit thinking you guys know what you're doing.

So you're arguing what, exactly? I highly doubt you even know what you're arguing.


Don't even try that "We'll all pack up and leave" crap. No you won't (and never do). You trying to convince us that there won't be any rich people left in NYC is such a gross falsehood it isn't even rational. Your types constantly forget that for taxes to be levied there must be equal amount of wealth existing to pay said taxes or they won't be levied in the first place. Hence your entire logic goes out the window completely. Rich stay in NYC because it generates far more income than will ever be taxed. The rich will never leave wealth hubs and historically never have no matter what the taxes were. The rich aren't leaving NYC, London, Chicago, SF, East Coast, West Coast no matter how many times you and your wealth cadre scream tax man.

Might want to laden the cool aid with a little more stuff if you want us to buy that crap.

 

[Logicman]

So you're arguing what, exactly? I highly doubt you even know what you're arguing.

I'm arguing that liberals are a scourge to America, and are dangerous to the well-being of the country. Read it again so you aren't confused.

Don't even try that "We'll all pack up and leave" crap. No you won't (and never do). You trying to convince us that there won't be any rich people left in NYC is such a gross falsehood it isn't even rational.

That's your strawman. I never said there won't be any left. You'll always have rich libs living there continuing to screw things up. Plus others (Independents, etc.) who are there learning why liberalism blows.

Your types constantly forget that for taxes to be levied there must be equal amount of wealth existing to pay said taxes or they won't be levied in the first place. Hence your entire logic goes out the window completely.

That's a riot - that there must be equal amounts of wealth. That's a pipe dream and it will never happen.

Rich stay in NYC because it generates far more income than will ever be taxed. The rich will never leave wealth hubs and historically never have no matter what the taxes were. The rich aren't leaving NYC, London, Chicago, SF, East Coast, West Coast no matter how many times you and your wealth cadre scream tax man.

Might want to laden the cool aid with a little more stuff if you want us to buy that crap.

It's called Kool Aid, and it's the libs favorite drink.

Here's something that blows your contentions completely out of the water. Let reality sink in.

De Blasio’s anti-rich policies are driving wealthy people out of NYC

De Blasio

 

[Ockham]

I'm arguing that liberals are a scourge to America, and are dangerous to the well-being of the country. Read it again so you aren't confused.

While there aren't many actual liberals around any longer - it's really the progressives that are the problem. I'd welcome a classic Democrat to discussions who would still have economic values, likes traditional values and still has new ideas that don't venture into socialist/communist territory. Alas, those days I'm afraid to say are gone.

Progressive leftists authoritarians, their propaganda and their ability to shut down actual discussion as well as to drive wedges between people based on differences for the sake of power and control are the scourge of America IMO.

 

[Ryan5]

I'm arguing that liberals are a scourge to America, and are dangerous to the well-being of the country. Read it again so you aren't confused.



That's your strawman. I never said there won't be any left. You'll always have rich libs living there continuing to screw things up. Plus others (Independents, etc.) who are there learning why liberalism blows.



That's a riot - that there must be equal amounts of wealth. That's a pipe dream and it will never happen.



It's called Kool Aid, and it's the libs favorite drink.

Here's something that blows your contentions completely out of the water. Let reality sink in.

De Blasio’s anti-rich policies are driving wealthy people out of NYC

De Blasio

You aren't all that logical after all..

You cannot even grasp basic political debate 101.. I mean not that "wealth be equal to be taxed" I mean (obviously, simpleton) that for taxes to be high in an area there must be even higher wealth that stands no real threat via taxation. Now to you, obviously that simple logic is too much but to most people that is perfectly understandable.


And you're 100% wrong. Historically and right up to this second there has never been great flight of wealthy from 'Wealth Hubs' such as NYC and London. Do some vocal blowhards leave and let everyone know it? Sure. But are they really leaving or simply buying a second (or 7th) home in a warmer climate, truly? The truth (and you know this, you're simply lying to us) is that the wealthy cannot leave their wealth hubs such as NYC, London, SF, Chicago+++ because that's the only pond they can breath in. Other cities are "Little shanty towns" in comparison to the lifestyle such people consider mandatory. Such wealthy people can't even coexist among even your average upper class American. They're highly anti social and have extreme consumption and service demands that can only be met in wealth hub esq cities such as NYC or London or SF or LA. Such types cannot live anywhere else no matter what they think on taxes. Not for long anyways. You know this as does any informed person.

 

[Logicman]

You aren't all that logical after all..

You cannot even grasp basic political debate 101.. I mean not that "wealth be equal to be taxed" I mean (obviously, simpleton) that for taxes to be high in an area there must be even higher wealth that stands no real threat via taxation.

You people do love your taxes don't you? You also love piling up debt on our kids and grandkids so you can have your spending spree today. What gives you liberals the right to screw up their lives also?

And you're 100% wrong. Historically and right up to this second there has never been great flight of wealthy from 'Wealth Hubs' such as NYC and London. Do some vocal blowhards leave and let everyone know it? Sure. But are they really leaving or simply buying a second (or 7th) home in a warmer climate, truly? The truth (and you know this, you're simply lying to us) is that the wealthy cannot leave their wealth hubs such as NYC, London, SF, Chicago+++ because that's the only pond they can breath in. Other cities are "Little shanty towns" in comparison to the lifestyle such people consider mandatory. Such wealthy people can't even coexist among even your average upper class American. They're highly anti social and have extreme consumption and service demands that can only be met in wealth hub esq cities such as NYC or London or SF or LA. Such types cannot live anywhere else no matter what they think on taxes. Not for long anyways. You know this as does any informed person.

 

[azgreg]

While there aren't many actual liberals around any longer - it's really the progressives that are the problem. I'd welcome a classic Democrat to discussions who would still have economic values, likes traditional values and still has new ideas that don't venture into socialist/communist territory. Alas, those days I'm afraid to say are gone.

I'd like to meet one of these unicorns of which you speak.

 

[Ockham]

I'd like to meet one of these unicorns of which you speak.

Yeah .... sometimes I wish that too. Apparently they were in abundance in the 1970's and early 1980's but have died out in what can only be called a collapse to extinction. Today, they're rare as ever but every once in a while one of those "bush camera's" will catch one meandering near a JFK memorial or some such area.

 

[Ryan5]

You people do love your taxes don't you? You also love piling up debt on our kids and grandkids so you can have your spending spree today. What gives you liberals the right to screw up their lives also?



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Comparing an ex-white, black industrial city run by corrupt black politicians to an extreme wealth city like NYC or London run by whites is the definition of irrationality.

 

[Logicman]

Comparing an ex-white, black industrial city run by corrupt black politicians to an extreme wealth city like NYC or London run by whites is the definition of irrationality.

Wrong. What they have in common is that they're all tax-and-spend liberals.

 

[sangha]

Wrong. What they have in common is that they're all tax-and-spend liberals.

Japan has high tax rates, socialized medicine, and intense business regulation.

 

[Ryan5]

Wrong. What they have in common is that they're all tax-and-spend liberals.

No wrong completely they have nothing in common.

Detroit is a long-dead white industrial city that for years has been run by corrupt black political pimps basically.


NYC is not comparable to that at all. You just sound irrational saying they have anything in common. They don't.

 

[Logicman]

No wrong completely they have nothing in common.

Detroit is a long-dead white industrial city that for years has been run by corrupt black political pimps basically.

NYC is not comparable to that at all. You just sound irrational saying they have anything in common. They don't.

Nuts.

By the way, did you ever answer the question about why you feel it's ok to pile an enormous amount of debt on our kids and grandkids so that you can have your spending spree today and try to act like benefactors?

 

[Ryan5]

Nuts.

By the way, did you ever answer the question about why you feel it's ok to pile an enormous amount of debt on our kids and grandkids so that you can have your spending spree today and try to act like benefactors?

At the end of the day, rich people will always be okay no matter what. That's the golden rule of the universe and it's not ever going to be untrue in the capitalist Western World no matter who's in office or how leftist the policies are and anybody who's even half educated knows that's true so if they're still raving about things then they're simply lying. The 'Left' of the Western World is still extremely capitalist so your ravings are just that, ravings with no real legitimacy. You're simply mad your team of 'Ultra Internationalist Capitalists' aren't in power over the more generous capitalists is all and you're upset I'm not stupid enough to agree with you and be a docile little serf.